being offered a manager title before 30 sounds incredibly tempting. it's a huge flex, especially if it seems like a genuine offer, and employers know this as well.

seen companies use this trick to bait young employees into doing things they'd normally refuse. relocating to distant branches, taking over departments in complete chaos, managing nightmare teams, reviving dead-end projects, or handling messy accounts no one else wants to touch.

worse still, the pay raise is often pathetic. at the end of the day, it’s just an empty title. so empty that you'd actually feel embarrassed telling people how little you're earning for a so-called "manager" position. but.. if you take the position and manage to succeed, there’s a chance you could gain real value in the long run. if you refuse, might just get sidelined and stuck there. it’s a tough call.

This post has been edited by incognitroll: Apr 28 2025, 05:29 AM

So you are not a manager yet..

my real life example of me in the past that made me rethink alot of wanting a "manger role"

>years ago in ex kampeni i was kuli level earning around RM4-5k/mth. work was decent, clock in 9-6pm daily, low stress role
>so being young want to rank up by going into asst manager since manager also encouraged plus want earn more money
>for a period i worked/shadow with current asst manager temporarily, technically become like a 2nd asst manager but in training and working some of her roles
>so what i got was basically tonnes of meetings every week and cadence scheduled. lots of planning and compilation of reports etc, but the stupid part is so many meetings to the point you dont have time to actually do your own shit, constantly on the move from meeting to meeting. outlook calendar is like maxed out gila wan
>not to mention constant grilling in meeting on performance, being asked tough ass questions that you know you cannot win against the upper management cause theyll find a way to tibai regardless. like if you pull out stuff to protek your team members like "staff A & B achieved and exceeded KPI A requirement.", but upper management will just tibai back with "but they missing KPI B and C? wheres the improvement?"
>after that i secretly asked my asst manager how much she earning that time. she told me she was only RM7k/mth

shit's aint worth it in terms of the stress to higher salary. during asst manger leave also still has to stay on call and attend meetings kekpot, whats the point of leaves in first place?

i jump to mnc also 20% oni. i know many koliks who like to argue argue with new job hr for more but personally i think its not worth the trouble. i take the 20% and if later find out not enough i hop in a year or two. those koliks argue argue end up not getting the position and then stay at the low pay job get 5% next year, makes no sense also. by the time argue out a 40% increment after finding for 2 years, i also 40 liao

for those non MNC company. my experience that so called 'manager roles' has 2 types
1.) you manage a team
2.) you manage yourself (do everything, 1 leg kick)
No.2 is always on high demand usually from SMEs.

Thanks for sharing yr experience with me. A lot of companies these days try to cut costs by hiring AM instead of manager but expecting the AM to act like managers. It's fine if they wanna push us to act like managers but they should at least provide us with sufficient resources (manpower, good system etc) to carry out our tasks. Like how the hell are we supposed to do our own work when we're forced to be stuck in endless unnecessary meetings that have nothing to do with us at all? 😮‍💨 When I was working at that toxic company, my ex colleagues would still bombard my phone with urgent matters during the weekends...So yeah, you're right...shit ain't worth it.

so what do u "manage" actually?? deadlines?? also what is the difference from you being an exec? since you also be the one doing the work without a team..

taikor has spoken

makes sense

not everyone is wired the same

just because someone else is a big time taikor, doesnt mean u have to be one

you can be just as happy, or even happier as a macai for a taikor.



This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Apr 28 2025, 11:26 AM

They expected me to be AM n exec at the same time. During the interview, they did mention that I had to do everything. I was fine with it... coz I didn't know that they had a system that was soooo shitty that it'd take me hours instead of minutes to finish a task.

that's why blue collar job getting more popular now. Easy job, care free and a lot of job opportunity. U wont be rich until drive mercedes go overseas. But income at least higher compared to office work with same amount of work hours and stress.

If give me another chance i rather become lorry driver or welder. Or tukang paip.

if ur making 10k/month and the jump is 20% ok la, that one can understand.
but if ur making 3k and the startup wants you to one man show for 20% increase u want?
last time i kena in the beginning for 3k, one man show, gila siot
the stress and the unknown on all the legislation and protocol was quite high and for 3k i kena lmao by my friends for being stupid
i learned alot in that role but it was such a broad experience that future employment was not impressed by the lack of specialization.
but if they offer me to one man show for 10k +20% now idk if i would take it

Sure or not? Everytime I read news abt poor ppl asking for donations, the sole breadwinner is a lorry driver. At least become a middle income earner la so u'll have 1 less problem

Took the role for 3 years, jump ship back to exec level and the stress level gone down significantly.

When subordinate screwup, left right front back manager kena, and endless meeting just to explain and fix the screw up.

As an exec, when i screw up, i only answer to my manager.

And the drama with with each subordinate….

Were u in the same company or new company when u went back to exec level?

Just because of title Manager but salary still peanuts ?

Manager to manage.

It's not just about getting a new title or a bigger paycheck. It's really about whether you have the right environment to actually grow into being a manager.

The journey is pretty typical — almost like a rite of passage.
First, you'll feel like there’s never enough time.

Then you’ll start thinking, "Ugh, I have no one to delegate to"
When they finally hire people for your team, you might be like, "Great... but why are they all so hopeless?"

And even when you do delegate, you’re constantly stressed, worrying they’re gonna screw it up. Deep down you’re thinking, "If I just had time to do it myself, it’d be perfect."
But guess what? You don’t have the time anymore.
And when mistakes happen — which they will — you’re the one who gets roasted for it, not them.

It’s tough, but honestly, it's all part of growing into the role. I believe every manager has walked this same bumpy road.

Dont get mad bro, they might have their reason. One valid reason is small or startup usually didnt train their manager well nor did he attend formal trainings. Manage based on job training only or maybe attend budget subpar training. Hence the manager is not that good overall. Doesnt apply to all but these are majority of the cases.

because your boss is doing like all the above tards is suggesting,
delegating his/her job/task/stress to their underlings (for your case, to you/your successor).

all the ktards forget that stress is no gone or vanish in thin air,
at the end of the day someone still have to shoulder it.

same here, no interest in manager role,
but there was a period of time been through all these AM and meeting shet as well, because manager think i can do it.

after that, i totally understand why manager's are good in spiting BS.
you have to master this until to a point its so natural , as if its like breathing to you.
else you so gonna die in meeting or during grilling, or during all those sudden incident that you never though can happen.

"spiting BS is a skill" per some other ktards.
now i suspect all these tards are potential/actual manager (not!)