Was reading an article about Gen Z not wanting to be managers these days as the rewards/benefits don't commensurate with the stress n responsibilities that come with this job.

I'm a millennial but I can empathise with them coz when I became an assistant manager a few months ago, I didn't know just how it'd take a toll on my mental health. Had to attend endless meetings that left me very little/ no time to meet urgent deadlines daily that nearly made me wanna jump frm the 14th floor coz I didn't have any subordinates helping me (my company was still considered new so didn't have the budget to hire subordinates for me).

This experience taught me that no amount of money in the world is worth this kinda stress. Would rather be an exec forever as long as I can have work in peace. Has anyone of u passed up the opportunity to become a manager because of this?

This post has been edited by parisiansky: Apr 27 2025, 05:43 PM

You need to learn how to delegate work to your team

I'm just kuli exec I don't see my life being any better than managers throwing shit at me also. Everyday feeling want to 14 floor also.

being a manager is also a skill. not everything should be yours to do. at this point you're supposed to help the middle management execute their plans.

you should be using your experience to lead your team to get things done.

that means training and teaching the younger and less experienced to do work for you. if you're doing everything yourself for whatever the reason you're doing it wrong.

I didn't have any subordinates helping me (my company was still considered new so didn't have the budget to hire subordinates for me).

This post has been edited by parisiansky: Apr 27 2025, 05:45 PM

Didn't you have a managers / asst. managers that you worked with previously that you could have observed from? Should've learned from that.

3 examples:
1st case
My place last time got 1 super hotseat dept. anybody who become manager will either
1- Suffer heart attack episode
2- Request to be demoted back
3- Changed job
4- Quit
5- Combination of above
All within a year.

2nd case
Another one was a pattern of not replacing the employee that go up
(e.g. team of 1 manager + 1 jr. engineer + 1 sr. engineer,
sr. engineer promoted to manager but old position not replaced so technically as manager need to do sr. engineer job also)

3rd case
A guy who through his career pathway has already held manager jobs multiple time but
came into us as senior engineer and refused all promotion. Last I heard promoted to manager when everybody else quitting (he followed suit soon after though)

Kinda extreme examples but yeah, made me appreciate working under any manager who's not totally bad. Depends on the company also at the end of the day.

If there is no one under you, would you still be considered as manager. The new norm is promotion = new role + old job, guess that adding new role with minimal payhike had worn out so they resort to giving extra title to prevent ppl from throwing towel easily. Well this is kinda norm is half-way ai age, where top management sees ai as way to cut down workforces but still tinkering with the workflow, however they had ald freeze the total headcount.

Kan TS suda kata xde subordinates. TS kena belajar kung fu tai chi, atau cakap banyak, berbunga-bunga (dalam meeting) pastu kerja minima atau kerja x sempurna.

this isn't a generational thing, it really depends on the position

my ex-company has a sales(SA) which is a baby boomer that refused multiple offer by the boss to become the sales manager because she made enough money being an SA without any distraction of being a manager and needed to deal with all of the managerial BS and attending all of the unneeded meetings every week and every month

she just want to focus on selling and maximize her commission, she doesn't fancy that little extra money from the manager position which comes with a lot of headache to deal with

Deswai when you hear some soarhigh saying "becum a manyzer is easy, just pass all work to subordinates", you know he never had management roles before.

Yes

Think there is something wrong with the title.
What's the point of having a manager or assistant if there are no employee to be managed?
Very sus, maybe just a title to keep employee happy psychologically

Just go for outside training on how to be manager better.

Just because you’re a manager, your work not necessarily need to be stressful.

TS original post very short. Dia tambah description lepas I tanya

You have to attend meetings with your western counterparts if you’re in MNCs.

Take it this way, dont take the job if the demand does not match with your life preference n expectation. Whatever jobs you’re “interested” in, must be a job that you REALLY LIKE or have passion for. Dont take it or apply for the sake of name n salary. You wont live a fulfilled life. You will be stressed out, burnt out, unhappy, missing things in life

This post has been edited by Taikor.Taikun: Apr 27 2025, 07:45 PM

Not easy to be manyzer when subordinates are sohais

ego too but also sohai at the same time

You're a coordinator

When you have subordinates to delegate and direct, you manyzer

But I understand your pain

If you get in too deep it will be hard to quit your job because you will always have unfinished jobs with a long time horizon that you just can't easily handover to the next person

You quitting means your boss will hate you and you'll be getting a shit rap

Tell your boss you're overworked and are unable to keep up

If your boss die die don't get you a helper, go fail some task and let it hit his bottomline

It wasn't an MNC n all those unnecessary meetings could have been in an email.

Anyway not all of us have the luxury to get a job that we really like or have a passion for. Some ppl are forced to go for the job they dislike just to set food on the table. So instead of looking for a job that we like, it's best we look for a job that we can tolerate.

Of coz I did try highlighting this issue to my boss several times but it always fell on deaf ear so I quit like a bawse 😤 Heard that my successor also quit after working there for 1 month lol.

i did start up once and they lowball me like mad citing only increase 20% from last drawn
then i learned my lesson liao
the other day some recruiter called and after all the screening he finally told me its a startup, the pay also 20% of your last drawn
i say let me think about it
then next day say nah dont want, he was so mad he just ghost me and didnt even thank me for my time and whatnot
they really think they are god in this economy
the worst is the startup really think they can try to scam me again with 20% increase from last drawn to basically do a one man show kekwa
i feel you man