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post Nov 21 2024, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(ericlaiys @ Nov 21 2024, 11:36 AM)
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post Nov 21 2024, 08:17 PM

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Setting it up vertical might help with cooling and also not to mention wireless range of the wifi and bluetooth, but If you're going to put a case on the Mac Mini M4, might as well be a cooling case, to help with the thermals and better sustain long throttling performance.

These are just example from the past:






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post Nov 22 2024, 10:51 AM

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Guess not launching today.
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post Nov 22 2024, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(yvliew @ Nov 22 2024, 10:51 AM)
Guess not launching today.
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post Nov 22 2024, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(yvliew @ Nov 22 2024, 10:51 AM)
Guess not launching today.
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normally 7 days after sirim. next week is nice timing with delivery expected
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post Nov 22 2024, 03:51 PM

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didn't notice before but they also only just approved 14 & 16 inch m4 max macbook pros on 20 nov so they weren't done after the base m4 mac mini was approved lol thats why they still needed time
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post Nov 22 2024, 04:09 PM

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Someone did the math on how much electricity they save by using Mac Mini M4 here:



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So there is 3 method i'm considering now to use the external ssd.

1. Only use external as normal storage and moving and install apps directly to it. When unplugged, nothing going to happen. In this case I have a 20gbps 1TB ssd I can use.

2. Moving whole home folder to external SSD. Everything will be installed there including some apps data. External ssd will have to be plugged in all the time. Not sure what will happened if mac wasn't boot up together with it or when it's unplugged. But it is also recommended to create a backup user with admin priviledge on the mac if that happens. In this case I will get the USB 4 enclosure + PCIE4 NVME SSD to fully utilize the usb 4 speed of 40gbps.

3. Install macOS to external SSD. This will disable Apple Intelligence and apple pay. This method I will skip.

So I'm undecided on method 1 or 2 right now. It's better to decide before start using the mac. If anyone wants tutorial on method 2 I can share the youtube link.

What do you guys think? Which one would you opt for if you're going for the base model?


Found even cheaper combo for the external SSD on taobao.
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post Nov 22 2024, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(yvliew @ Nov 22 2024, 05:32 PM)
So there is 3 method i'm considering now to use the external ssd.

1. Only use external as normal storage and moving and install apps directly to it. When unplugged, nothing going to happen. In this case I have a 20gbps 1TB ssd I can use.

2. Moving whole home folder to external SSD. Everything will be installed there including some apps data. External ssd will have to be plugged in all the time. Not sure what will happened if mac wasn't boot up together with it or when it's unplugged. But it is also recommended to create a backup user with admin priviledge on the mac if that happens. In this case I will get the USB 4 enclosure + PCIE4 NVME SSD to fully utilize the usb 4 speed of 40gbps.

3. Install macOS to external SSD. This will disable Apple Intelligence and apple pay. This method I will skip.

So I'm undecided on method 1 or 2 right now. It's better to decide before start using the mac. If anyone wants tutorial on method 2 I can share the youtube link.

What do you guys think? Which one would you opt for if you're going for the base model?
Found even cheaper combo for the external SSD on taobao.
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post Nov 22 2024, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(yvliew @ Nov 22 2024, 05:32 PM)
So there is 3 method i'm considering now to use the external ssd.

1. Only use external as normal storage and moving and install apps directly to it. When unplugged, nothing going to happen. In this case I have a 20gbps 1TB ssd I can use.

2. Moving whole home folder to external SSD. Everything will be installed there including some apps data. External ssd will have to be plugged in all the time. Not sure what will happened if mac wasn't boot up together with it or when it's unplugged. But it is also recommended to create a backup user with admin priviledge on the mac if that happens. In this case I will get the USB 4 enclosure + PCIE4 NVME SSD to fully utilize the usb 4 speed of 40gbps.

3. Install macOS to external SSD. This will disable Apple Intelligence and apple pay. This method I will skip.

So I'm undecided on method 1 or 2 right now. It's better to decide before start using the mac. If anyone wants tutorial on method 2 I can share the youtube link.

What do you guys think? Which one would you opt for if you're going for the base model?
Found even cheaper combo for the external SSD on taobao.
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Will opt option 1..
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QUOTE(ericlaiys @ Nov 22 2024, 05:37 PM)
using 1 since 4 years ago
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Yeah previously I am also using method 1. But then some apps still store data locally in home folder. Apps like ai and ollama. Those are very big and have big models files. So now have to think which to go for.
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post Nov 22 2024, 08:49 PM

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not in English but you can understand the concept, you can use any old laptop lying around with the mac mini m4.


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QUOTE(jonthebaptist @ Nov 22 2024, 08:49 PM)
not in English but you can understand the concept, you can use any old laptop lying around with the mac mini m4.


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a mac within a mac... so maception? why though?
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QUOTE(yvliew @ Nov 22 2024, 10:52 PM)
a mac within a mac... so maception? why though?
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Give life back to an old MacBook or iMac
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QUOTE(jonthebaptist @ Nov 22 2024, 10:58 PM)
Give life back to an old MacBook or iMac
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will need a good capture card as there may be high latency. I have tried it before and not really good.
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I was just looking at the Lenovo Windows ARM and Snapdragon offerings.

Quite expensive compared to Mac Mini M4. They don't even have anything "budget" yet.

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QUOTE(jonthebaptist @ Nov 23 2024, 06:37 PM)
I was just looking at the Lenovo Windows ARM and Snapdragon offerings.

Quite expensive compared to Mac Mini M4. They don't even have anything "budget" yet.

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Dont look on hardware. the unique is macOS stability.
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QUOTE(jonthebaptist @ Nov 23 2024, 06:37 PM)
I was just looking at the Lenovo Windows ARM and Snapdragon offerings.

Quite expensive compared to Mac Mini M4. They don't even have anything "budget" yet.

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Cant compare like that la.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ericlaiys @ Nov 23 2024, 06:58 PM)
Dont look on hardware. the unique is macOS stability.
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I know how good Mac OS is. Was just simple comparison, we need to be able to compare to see what a bargain this Mac mini M4 is.

QUOTE(shyan90's @ Nov 23 2024, 10:20 PM)
Cant compare like that la..  tongue.gif
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Well when there is no Desktop Windows ARM PC yet, you gotta compare with the next best thing, it's laptops. There was a prototype costing $899 (roughly RM4000) desktop Snapdragon that has since been cancelled:

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/21/24158603...dev-kit-x-elite

And there are people who have tested the different processors to see how fast each are:

https://www.xda-developers.com/tested-apple...dragon-x-elite/

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