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 Why Chinese Language is NOT Better Than Japanese, The Role of Wasei Kango

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SUSHoka Nobasho
post Oct 26 2024, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(Danteyxw @ Oct 26 2024, 11:53 PM)
Do you know most wasei kango are adopted from classical chinese text ?
经济 - “皆有经济之道,谓经国济民” 《文中子・礼乐篇》
民主 - “天惟时求民主,乃大降显体休命于成汤” 《书·多方》)
        “仆为民主,当以法率下” 《三国志·吴志·锺离牧传》)
教育 - “君子有三乐,而王天下不与存焉。 父母俱存,兄弟无故,一乐也;仰不愧于天,俯不怍于人,二乐也;得天下英才而教育之,三乐也。” 《孟子·尽心上》

Please don't learn half half then come ajar orang.
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let’s not twist things: Wasei Kango is not just about using old words; it’s about redefining and modernizing them to fit new, Western-inspired concepts during Japan’s rapid modernization in the Meiji era.

For example, 经济 used to mean managing state affairs, but in Japan, it was adapted to mean "economy" in the modern sense, reflecting the rise of industrial capitalism. Same with 民主 (democracy)—while it might have appeared in ancient texts, it was Japan that reshaped it to mean democratic governance as we know it today.
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post Oct 27 2024, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Oct 26 2024, 11:43 PM)
Okay, stop using Japanese words and see what happens.
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Then how about Japan stopped using 汉字 and see?

There have been a big debate in Japan about removing kanji from Japanese writing system, and the conclusion is, it can't be done.

So with that, I don't even see any logic to have this discussion. Chinese the most can just invent new character for it, but the Japanese will have its writing system been impacted badly..so in this context, wanna say Japanese language in foundation is inferior to the Chinesea?

Actually again I don't even know what is the reason to debate this.

This post has been edited by MasBoleh!: Oct 27 2024, 12:04 AM
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post Oct 27 2024, 12:03 AM

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So who win? my life will be badly affected by the result
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post Oct 27 2024, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Oct 27 2024, 12:01 AM)
so in this context, wanna say Japanese language in foundation is inferior to the Chinesea?
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Looks like you missed the title completely. Plenty of Chinese would be willing to jump on what you've said to reinforce it.

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Oct 27 2024, 12:07 AM
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post Oct 27 2024, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Oct 27 2024, 12:01 AM)
Then how about Japan stopped using 汉字 and see?

There have been a big debate in Japan about removing kanji from Japanese writing system, and the conclusion is, it can't be done.

So with that, I don't even see any logic to have this discussion. Chinese the most can just invent new character for it, but the Japanese will have its writing system been impacted badly..so in this context, wanna say Japanese language in foundation is inferior to the Chinese?
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Just as a matter of real intellectual curiosity, would love to see how the Japanese remove a full set of written language from their system. And what will happen to their society.
Removing specific words and replacing such words with something else doesn't even come close. It's like banning the word f*ck with frack smile.gif


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post Oct 27 2024, 12:19 AM

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lol, so lame.
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post Oct 27 2024, 12:26 AM

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There is a common belief that the Chinese language is better than Japanese simply because the Japanese writing system borrows heavily from Chinese characters.

Straw man fallacy.

There is no such "common believe" to begin with.

I think any serious intellectual who knows the history of this period of time would had known that.

In fact, a small part of the law of the ROC, was brought over from late Qing dynasty, which was translated by Japanese Judges during that time.

Please educate yourself.

This post has been edited by Sycamore: Oct 27 2024, 12:27 AM
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post Oct 27 2024, 12:30 AM

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LOL… just because some new terms were created that makes the copy cat better and therefore we should ignore the mass borrowing of Chinese writing by Jipunis biggrin.gif
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post Oct 27 2024, 12:37 AM

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If Japanese use Chinese words to create new meaning, it is still Chinese words...
SUSHoka Nobasho
post Oct 27 2024, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(zero-0 @ Oct 27 2024, 12:37 AM)
If Japanese use Chinese words to create new meaning, it is still Chinese words...
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Then make your own words
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post Oct 27 2024, 12:39 AM

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Actually anything wrong here?
TS think we will get triggered over languages
Ntg wrong on using Japanese words or Chinese words

We are not easily triggered on languages
It is not an issue

On the other hand I know certain puak easily triggered over their languages not being the main thing …


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post Oct 27 2024, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Oct 27 2024, 12:38 AM)
Then make your own words
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You cannot stop people from using the Chinese words

You are just someone with mental illness

Go see doctor please
SUSHoka Nobasho
post Oct 27 2024, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(zero-0 @ Oct 27 2024, 12:45 AM)
You cannot stop people from using the Chinese words

You are just someone with mental illness

Go see doctor please
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It's not Chinese words

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