OK, since i have give so much of my 2cents....now a favour from you in return.....show me her piccha piccha.....          

become friend 1st ma...
build good foundation...
let both of u know each other better 1st...
become friend u dont hav think too much...
just behave like urself can la.

Eh brudder, dun think too much la... u're stressing yourself too much to tackle her... every couple started as friends 1st ma... If not u want her to say "Appreciate to have u as my Fubu" meh? Take a break sometimes and dun sms or call her too often... talking bout hold her hands i did that b4 when i was with this gal (got bf dy and she also say her relationship with her bf not good), i just said my hand is cold and hold her hand straightaway before we walked on the beach during midnite... luckily she didn't reject and that was my first time holding a gal's hand. FYI, she's still attach to her bf now... after few months telling me that her bf treat her badly...  At first tot got huge chance when i get to date her out for movies... but then while dating her she's chatting with her bf on the phone hurts me badly... after few major setbacks i finally gave up... her feelings is still towards her bf... So i'm now searching for the right 1...

To TS just go on slowly and don't push everything too fast... make it as friends 1st... while doing that u can know her better and to think whether is she the one u're searching... (u're like a lvl 1 hero now and trying to firstblood someone i never did that b4 hehehe) and remember dun get excited too easily for a small thing...

Keep up the good work!  We will support you and u have a very interesting and kanjiong thread ... (been reading this topic the whole morning in office )

lol reading a relationship story in the office lol
but do keep us updated i keep checking back in 20 mins or so omg lol

umm can i juz say to u to actually cool down as maybe she got something to do thn change hp o hp no batt and if she wan go movie wif u 2morrow thn nvmla sure go d ma if 2morrow she like lost from the face of earth thn take it ez ok? u get wat i mean?

what movie u all watching ?? lets double date ..

but she is thinking of her EX and pak tor with a guy called BF
and go out dating with a Guy so call fren

complicated man

ZZzZZzzzzZz.....so the best courting advice for a man is to listen to a girls opinion? LOL 

i tell you right now go on listen to her advice, you already become half wuss image under that girl. Keep listening and lets see who become the sorhai in the end. 

Lemme tell you a couple years back my ex gf had a bf already in relationship for 3 years, and i knew her from that point on, during that ocassion she flirt wif many other guys... all fall for her and become some kinda sorhai wuss and began treating her like a princess and chasing her lookin like a loser, including her bf(who also treats her the same).

I wasn't interested at all wif her, and treat her so so only. Since we r in the same college and she lives nearby my neighbourhood we meet everyday and went back together everyday. Sometimes thrs a moment whr she thinks shes so freaking hot coz many idiot chasing her and lansi wif me, and immediately i shoot her back kaw kaw. I didnt even give her a single chance to heighten up her ego, in fact keep smashing them into pieces. So practically yeah we r frens but theres numerous occasion whr i ended up treating her like a bit of a trash...

Fast forward a couple of months, FOr your info all the guys that wooing her desperately and showing too much care and attention all she rejected mercilessly, either alwayz kena scold or something else, and it was pretty heartless... in the end she fall in love wif me    in fact i even kena force to couple wif her.....

Your asking for my advice? attack their weak point. WHat is their weak point? They love SECURITY. Security for girls means both physically, emotionally and mentally.

Physically they love tall and buff guys. Why? because they feel secure, they want the guys to dominate them.

Mentally how? the 1st step is the easiest. Money/wealth/good career/owns a business/have nice car/have nice house/knows how to make money/financial independence or freedom from guys.

Last step is whr most of the guys PHAILS. Emotionally. You must emotionally DOMINATE or at LEAST BE EQUAL in the relationship. This means not giving in 100% to her every ridiculous demand(buying her expensive stuff, treat her every dinner, paying for everything, keep praising her so freaking beautiful until her ego bloatens up, keep giving her some kinda gifts, desperately call and sms her for hours, showing very early in the relationship that you've fall in love wif her, therefore you become their servant and do everything for her). If you do this, you mentally and emotionally shift the dominant power from you to them, its when the girl who'll make the calls, and hold more dominant power in the relationship. WHen your in this deep shite situation rest assured, no matter how nicest men in the world you become in her eyes, you will only be put in the her friends list, you wont ever get to be her bf. Even if you get to, its another typical relationship whr the guy suffers the most and the girl is the only 1 benefited from the relationship. Im not saying you must dominate 100%, AT LEAST the situation should be equal, either physically, mentally and emotionally.

Notice so many girls keeps whining their bf(an *ss hol*) no good but in the end still stick wif their bf? Notice why so many guys treat their gf like a princess and in the end got dumped for numerous reason? Most of you guys see it only thru your eyes but not thru your mind. Look, think and learn from the humanity around you, look at situation from an open mind without taking sides, being prejudice or selfish, and let nature and GOD tell you how this world works.

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Added on December 15, 2007, 11:08 pm
Anyway sorry i didnt meant to be sexist, so no harm in flaming you. Coz if relationship is really dat straight forward i wouldn't suffer so much heartbreaking relationship in my early teeny years until im 23-24 years until when i learn thru experience, and thru wisdom.

Coz if its dat simple in courting a girl then there wouldn't be so much inexperience guys in relationship sulk a lot in this cupid corners. Coz they all do it the old fashion and straightforward guys way, like what you suggest. 

so how'as the outcome, ts?

yea
i also wait for the out come ?
her bf dun mind she bring other guy back to her room?
what is her BF job task? or she already break off with this bf lioa ?
i am so curious ler

So monday either is final episode or switch to next volume