I was only pouring truth water, sorry if you felt cold. You still haven't answered my question:

Is your friend reviewing the agreement between SMM and Blizzard? If he's looking at the Commercial Agreement between SMM and cc, dun bother, I've already asked a friend to look at it since day 1 and his answer is what I was trying to tell you earlier. But hey, no harm in getting a second opinion.

EDIT: Here's more water...

Strace says it's not necessary to obtain complete POA. Why not? Also, may I remind you again that the POA is not the whole document. It is part of the document. The complete document is called the 'Commercial Agreement'. It's not called a POA. I've already explained this a few posts earlier.

Strace also suggests 'a simple accounting check'. Firstly, SMM is a Sdn Bhd i.e. accounts not open to public. The only way you can do this is an internal inquiry by Trade Ministry. How do you suppose to get this done? We can give 1000 suggestions also but I think it's prudent to also think about how it will be done before you suggest.

If you cannot understand my this final and probably last post in this thread, then I say good luck to you.

This post has been edited by ZipD: Jan 22 2008, 02:32 PM

Yes what you said is right, personal investigation will not work. The thing is SMM is in the process of getting sued anyway, I don't see the point defending now when SMM can be forced to show their proof - all the agreements, account book in court, or maybe not. Sorry I don't know much about legal procedures and limitations from sue to end of trial. Maybe you can explain this?

btw dbkl will enforce no games to all internet service centre/cybercafe premises. More town/city council will follow this rule soon, sometimes i like it end this way.

This post has been edited by strace: Jan 22 2008, 03:15 PM

SMM getting sued? Alrite man. Something is happening.

Town/City council no games? We cannot just leave it. We must fight this town/city council. It is our right to play games in the cybercafe. It is our right to offer this to the genuine gamers (above 18). Why ban games??? Is the government stupid or what? Strace I really hope you can do something about this and not `end this way'. Doesn't sound positive to me if you don't do anything.

if goverment ban cybercafe , this will cause malaysia economic got problem again

Cybercafe > Gamers > Online Games > Point Card / MOL > GameServer Management > Game Company > Tmnet Streamyx > Tm > GG.COm

haha
ban cybercafe won't effect malaysia economy ler, besides gamers will not be affected. Unless there is major improvement in internet service provider sector, this will promote more LAN party gathering events instead since its not subjected to all sorts of council and licensing limitations.

Interesting finding :
http://www.parlimen.gov.my/hindex/pdf/DR-12042006.pdf
http://www.parlimen.gov.my/hindex/pdf/DR-23-10-2001.pdf
Some say below 18 cannot go cc, but the document said below 12.
One gov, so many different policy...

Strace, any update on the ban of games in cc?

As for my cybercaya fren, he says the document given is of limited so cannot give a dedicated answer. He ask me to give him the Agreement between Blizzard and SMM to see whether Blizzard got give right to SMM to collect fee. Got d Agreement? He says the Cybercafe Agreement shown is between SMM and Blizzard and does not involve cc because cc don't sign with Blizzard so no cc got contract with Blizzard but rather cc got contract with SMM. He also say the Cybercafe Agreement say SMM got d right to license cc bcoz it is stated there. He also says that as for cc paying SMM, it is between cc and SMM and up to cc to pay SMM. If cc don't pay SMM, SMM won't give cc license and cc becomes a pirate. Is this statement true???

Yes. I don't have the extended agreement pages.

No updates on game ban news yet. I think Ministry Housing & Local Government issues the rule to all local councils to follow. Its up to them when to enforce it.

http://chinese.cari.com.my/myforum/viewthr...&extra=page%3D1

NEWS from Bahagian Perlesensan DBKL
NO more heaven for those KL internet cafe owner. DBKL will follow All the internet rules from MPSJ or MPPJ. This act will enforce after the Chinese New Year 2008.
High LIght
RM10k license fees per shop + rm 50 each pc
NO Game..
NO 24 Hours
ALL above 18 only
Can operate only from ground floor or first floor only


I wonder how it goes

This post has been edited by dopp: Jan 29 2008, 09:31 AM

OMFG ....... den no point la ..... stupid GOVzzz

f***,then,whats the point of opening CC?

Better go and play there tomorrow.

We are still waiting for your presence, brother Cheese, you are welcome to join us anytime

Update?
http://chinese.cari.com.my/myforum/viewthr...&extra=page%3D1

Hope to hear the final verdict soon



This post has been edited by Waba: Jan 29 2008, 02:33 PM

Hopefully the verdict is in our favor..

A CC without games is pretty much pointless.

Yes,my lord.I'll try to deepstrike there if possible.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Jan 30 2008, 02:16 PM

Thinking of it, there may be no point operating cc now. First, license problem with the game distributors. Second, cc cannot instal games. even if u install, u have to pay under-table. The CC industry is finish. How many ppl actually go CC to surf internet??? Out of 10, maybe 1. So, LAN games will be all finish. All games distributor, SMM, EA, EClub, NewEra can all close down.

More or less the gov are killing the IT industry by closing down CCs.

Malaysia "boleh"!!!!

Well, some people still use Internet Cafe as place to hang out... depends on the setting and environment.

So... cc can only operate on the 1st and ground floor. What about those in shopping complex?

Seconded that. I also hope that local goverment will rethink their decisions.

Some gamers, which some are even active tournament participants inside & outside the country can't afford a capable PC (yours truly included. Ain't making up this shit.). Knowing how "supportive" our IT industry to aspiring eSports athletes, cybercafes are their last hope and venues for practice. If CCs were forced to shut down because of these so-called new policies, there goes the talent pool.

Yeah,thats what im saying,more than half of my friends go CC to play DotA(yes,i know i hate it so much but there are a few nice people that play it) because they dont have a rig that even reach WC3's minimum requirement.

Not everyone in this country can afford a 8800,3GB RAM and a quad core.

My training ground for CoD4 also gone if they implement that policy.Still cant afford an ori copy or have a decent connection to play online.

Just one question,will gaming competition like WCG or Starcraft National Tournament get affected by the damn policy?