QUOTE(arif85124 @ Aug 16 2024, 03:12 PM)
yes. the purpose is to slow the craft down immediately. and if u do that when the plane is up in the air, then.....This post has been edited by DarkAeon: Aug 16 2024, 04:14 PM
Elmina crash final report: pilot error
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from google "A lift-dump system, designed for activation once the wheels are on the ground, makes braking more effective."
so sic and pic baru unlock, tetiba malfunction and terus activate? |
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Aug 16 2024, 04:23 PM
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Seems like a basic error of the airplane itself to allow the lift dump spoiler to be activated mid-flight.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 16 2024, 04:07 PM) well im no pilot or aviation folks, just reading the report for funsies. Yeah. This is just a case where the pilot is used to driving Tesla, suddenly asked to drive kancil manual and don't know what is the function of handbrake.the report conclusion & appendix do say primary cause is pilot error. report also say Pilot is not sitting on the pilot seat (instead he seat on the co-pilot's seat, while the co-pilot sitting on the pilot's seat), both are not sufficiently experienced for this aircraft model. SIC is second-in-command, referring to the co-pilot, and the co-pilot seems to be the one controlling the plane. primary cause: SIC switched on lift dump during landing approach, lost altitude additional findings; insufficient crew training reading further on the report amendments section can see the company did tried to deflect/argue that it's not company's fault I don't know how common the term of "lift dump" to pilots, but to layman like me, this is the first time I hear about it as opposed to the familiar "speed brakes". I compare the cockpit or G4 and this plane, in G4 the speed brakes is labeled as "speed brakes". Probably the co pilot think "unlock" means move the extend position. |
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come see how many pakar beechcraft giving comment here.
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If these people jumped right before impact, maybe can survive
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QUOTE(roymustang @ Aug 16 2024, 04:22 PM) from google "A lift-dump system, designed for activation once the wheels are on the ground, makes braking more effective." Report says "no pre-impact failures or malfunctions of the aircraft flight controls."so sic and pic baru unlock, tetiba malfunction and terus activate? Most likely event was this: "The accident resulted from a misunderstood checklist item, leading to inadvertent ground spoiler deployment." So suppose to unlock but not extend it but someone (high probability) went and extend it. ![]() ![]() This post has been edited by jonthebaptist: Aug 16 2024, 05:23 PM |
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The thing impact is so big, so fast already crashed? The opening of flaps can't be reversed or malfunction locked up?
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maybe pilots need to practice emergency landing
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Lift dumper tu apa... jonthebaptist liked this post
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takkan so bodo itu pilot. from which skool of flight?
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QUOTE(jonthebaptist @ Aug 16 2024, 05:20 PM) Report says "no pre-impact failures or malfunctions of the aircraft flight controls." Tak buat checklist B4 landing betul 2 la tuuuuyMost likely event was this: "The accident resulted from a misunderstood checklist item, leading to inadvertent ground spoiler deployment." So suppose to unlock but not extend it but someone (high probability) went and extend it. ![]() ![]() jonthebaptist liked this post
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Aug 16 2024, 03:40 PM) Salahan manufacturer. If WOW sensor detects aircraft still in the air, there should be a logic to prevent the lift dumper from being deployed. Such a basic safety net also dont have, better stop making an aircraft. BetulMacam 737...landing gear sentuh tanah, teleflex cable, tarik interlock valve.ground spoiler up... alfiejr and jonthebaptist liked this post
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