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 Elmina crash final report: pilot error

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post Aug 16 2024, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 16 2024, 03:35 PM)
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1 mins then gg?
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post Aug 16 2024, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(cshong @ Aug 16 2024, 03:34 PM)
No. It is not flap. It is a device that used to reduce the lift. It can be used when the pilot need to abort take off, or when the pilot need to reduce the aircraft's speed.
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post Aug 16 2024, 03:40 PM

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Salahan manufacturer. If WOW sensor detects aircraft still in the air, there should be a logic to prevent the lift dumper from being deployed. Such a basic safety net also dont have, better stop making an aircraft.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 16 2024, 03:35 PM)
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Shit they were alive till the end

Thought would have blacked out

RIP
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post Aug 16 2024, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 16 2024, 03:35 PM)
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Woah woah woah


Oih oih oih


The end
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post Aug 16 2024, 03:45 PM

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That was what my pilot trainer friend said also after watching the crash videos. He said most likely the pilot clicked something he shouldn't.
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Aug 16 2024, 03:40 PM)
Salahan manufacturer. If WOW sensor detects aircraft still in the air, there should be a logic to prevent the lift dumper from being deployed. Such a basic safety net also dont have, better stop making an aircraft.
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Betul, I watched too many Aircrash investigation in Nat Geo to understand this
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post Aug 16 2024, 03:51 PM

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so this is the case of #kapalterbangbodo?

Oh wai is it too soon?
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post Aug 16 2024, 03:52 PM

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Attached File  Final_Report_A_05_23P___N28JV_Air_Accident_on_17_Aug_2023.pdf ( 11.16mb ) Number of downloads: 152

Surprised that the MOT website hasn't had the internet hug of death yet

But mirroring the report here just in case it goes down
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post Aug 16 2024, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 16 2024, 03:35 PM)
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That "what's going on?" part indicates 2 possibilities....

1) The pilot noob switch open lift dump.
2) Electrical malfunction cause lift dump activate.

My money is on the later.
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post Aug 16 2024, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(Silfer @ Aug 16 2024, 03:37 PM)
1 mins then gg?
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12 seconds only

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post Aug 16 2024, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 16 2024, 03:35 PM)
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caught off guard with no height to recover
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post Aug 16 2024, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(CeDhhVss @ Aug 16 2024, 03:12 PM)
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This one for breaking? No ?
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 16 2024, 03:35 PM)
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yo this is fucked up

they were awake till the last moment

rip to pilot, and moto guy who happened to be at wrong time wrong place
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post Aug 16 2024, 04:03 PM

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Yeah if not meant to be used during flight , why is it allowed to extend during flight
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Aug 16 2024, 03:59 PM)
This one for breaking? No ?
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yup

pilot noob open it mid flight
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 16 2024, 03:35 PM)
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12secs.

Probably can't even double check what went wrong in the short time.
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post Aug 16 2024, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Aug 16 2024, 03:56 PM)
That "what's going on?" part indicates 2 possibilities....

1) The pilot noob switch open lift dump.
2) Electrical malfunction cause lift dump activate.

My money is on the later.
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well im no pilot or aviation folks, just reading the report for funsies.
the report conclusion & appendix do say primary cause is pilot error. report also say Pilot is not sitting on the pilot seat (instead he seat on the co-pilot's seat, while the co-pilot sitting on the pilot's seat), both are not sufficiently experienced for this aircraft model. SIC is second-in-command, referring to the co-pilot, and the co-pilot seems to be the one controlling the plane.
primary cause: SIC switched on lift dump during landing approach, lost altitude
additional findings; insufficient crew training

reading further on the report amendments section can see the company did tried to deflect/argue that it's not company's fault
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post Aug 16 2024, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Aug 16 2024, 03:40 PM)
Salahan manufacturer. If WOW sensor detects aircraft still in the air, there should be a logic to prevent the lift dumper from being deployed. Such a basic safety net also dont have, better stop making an aircraft.
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I was about to say it’s a 1993 aircraft what to expect. But then my co a/c was manufactured in 1993 and has fail safe system which can’t deploy unless WoW.

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