Yes, I guess that's the main factor. Nevertheless, I don't really understand how they work out the CBU pricing. The Ford Focus 2.0 CBU from Philippines which I bought year 2013, the MSRP is RM115k and after discount it's just RM105k if I recall correctly. To me it's great value when bought new and under warranty. Perhaps things have changed as 10 years has passed.

Whenever is RAINING, go test drive and feel the NVH.
Test the car back to back. Then ask yourself, which you prefer to sit in and spend a few years.
End of the day you're paying the car.

It is surely expensive but even if I have the money, I won't buy it as it only comes in manual transmission. I'm now in the same boat as the OP as handling and power are not important to me anymore these days. 15 years ago yes, but not anymore now. Having said that, as long as the vehicle doesn't take more than 12 seconds to complete a 0-100km/'h, it's more than sufficient for me.

Corolla Cross rides more comfortable than its sedan sibling. Take it over any bump you will know what i mean.

If you are particular with space, my take on comfort and NVH will be Harrier > Camry > Cross.

Honestly between the two the Civic is a better overall package and value proposition. If you can wait, I'd suggest waiting for the Civic FE facelift, the local spec will likely inherit the CR-V's 360º camera and memory seats, and pray to god they come with proper blind spot monitoring instead of LaneWatch™.

BSM no hope in Honda..
At most you can get in civic facelift is similar spec/accesories in CRV.

Do mind you that, Honda car now have steering rack issue.. of course warranty will cover that, you need to wait for parts and send car for replacement..
some owner also repeatly having this issue after parts replacement.

steering rack is like the Achilles heel of civic..

my 2022 FE.. 3rd rack already still ada tuk tuk sound

Think your Q1 already come with answer, just go for Toyota Altis as long the 1.8 na engine's power is sufficient to you.

2025 US version of the Corolla does look nice. But here in Malaysia we likely will get the Asia/China version which has not change much for years.

With local dealership, expect the current model to be same for years with minor change.

Real man drive 3 pedals not sissy automatics.
If you want Automatic, GR Yaris already got 8-speed automatic option, GR Corolla will follow soon as they both use similar engine & transmission.

If manual transmission is for real men, then I'm not sure what do we call the majority of males who drive automatics on the roads here. Fake men?

Anyway, back to topic. I'm aware some of the "true" GR vehicles have automatic transmissions though they only appeal to a niche group of affluent race heads and/or people who have a need for speed. For majority of people who don't have a need for speed (or money), don't need to go there.

Sad to say, a lot of younger generations dont even know how to drive manuals. Manual does give more control and can do more fun stuff like example gymkana, drifting easier. Automatic you cant play with the clutch and adjust how much power slip you want to do, you just step on the fuel paddle and thats all. There are reason why some sport cars still got manual transmission and for those people which really understand the mechanical fun stuff will still go for it.

A second hand lexus

because other competitors give crap engine. honda line up at least give newer 1.5 turbo engine while other competitors still give 10 years ago naturally aspirated engine with poor fuel economy.

today... stuck for 2hrs jam in kepong... then 2hrs jam at karak highway... took me about 10hrs kl to kb

so very glad not driving manual... call me sissy but i dun care

smart men know when to fold... hahaha

Fuel economy poor for N/A engine? I might disagree as it is subjective and depends on driving style.
Try do some highway or track driving with rpm over 3000~4000rpm (140km/h~160km/h) and go against a similar class N/A 1.8 Altis or Mazda 2.0 for same range. If turbo engine always on boost, the fuel economy will not be good and also shorten the service intervals, only when you always light foot at lower rpm then got the fuel economy advantage.

There are reason why some still offer N/A engine as most ownership in Malaysia drag more than 5~10 years above, when you want to own & maintain a vehicle such a long period, people will consider maintenance cost for long run, tell me what is the average of Civic/HRV/CRV turbo owners do maintenance? From most owner i knew usually start to pop up the engine oil monitoring indicator lamp at around 7000km. If you plan to drive to like 100,000km. How many times you need to go into SC compare to other N/A engine models which only need to service/maintain every 10000km?

100,000km SC times
N/A engine - around 10 times (if every 10k)
1.5T engine (if every 7k) - at least 14 times (Additional 4 times)

Not accounting after warranty ends, the infamous CVT gearbox issue, turbo, water/oil cooling (piping) replacements, turbo engine naturally got more parts to worry/wear & tear compare to N/A counterparts. All these are hidden cost for long term ownership, unless you plan to buy and sell every 5 years after warranty ends then no need to worry about it. There are pro and con for every technology.

new facelift civic will finally get 360 camera? really? got source?

i had this on current car, last time used to constant speed at 150-160kmh for long distance drive on 2.4NA, the FC is consider ok, RPM not that high for the speed, I can fill up full at KL and end up at Kuala Terengganu without need to refuel. Take 1.8T car with almost similar hp, drove it at similar speed, need to refuel between that distance, the range keep on lowering as put consistent speed. I love NA for long distance.

This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Jul 9 2024, 04:00 PM

Ehh... so fast sold already arr... engine now powderful enough

It was wife 's car and she wanted back to SUV

Also, latest Honda EHEV hybrid has its own fun.
All the nonsense EV instant torque, without the FC penalties lol