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 Toyota Altis or Honda Civic, 2024-2025 models

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post Jul 9 2024, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(JoeK @ Jul 9 2024, 10:47 AM)
new facelift civic will finally get 360 camera? really? got source?
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No source but it’s the general pattern for HM
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post Jul 10 2024, 08:38 AM

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Will Toyota Malaysia bring in the 2025 Corolla Altis?

If yes, then sure buy this over the civic.
GagalLand
post Jul 10 2024, 08:41 AM

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S70 is better
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post Jul 10 2024, 08:44 AM

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S70
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post Jul 10 2024, 09:20 AM

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S70 real chassis is still B-Segment, it is built under BMA chassis. Their marketing keep on spinning, but in reality is still a longer stretch B-Segment chassis. It should be compare to like City/Vios category.
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post Jul 10 2024, 12:34 PM

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ignore segmentation/classification lah...

if you like driving... make sure it drives well per your style

if you need space... make sure big enough

if you desire comfort... make sure good nvh can sit for long drives

etc etc...

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post Jul 11 2024, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 10 2024, 01:34 PM)
ignore segmentation/classification lah...

if you like driving... make sure it drives well per your style

if you need space... make sure big enough

if you desire comfort... make sure good nvh can sit for long drives

etc etc...
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Sometimes we need to be fair and compare apple to apple, if not later people will take something big premium class and compare to small budget class and complain. laugh.gif
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post Jul 11 2024, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(tkyong1 @ Jul 10 2024, 08:38 AM)
Will Toyota Malaysia bring in the 2025 Corolla Altis?

If yes, then sure buy this over the civic.
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May I ask if there's any links to pictures or videos on the Corolla Altis 2025? So far I've seen some rendering created by artists, not actual car. Perhaps some actual vehicle of the Corolla but those are mostly in the American market which looks completely different from the model we are getting here.
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post Jul 11 2024, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Jul 10 2024, 08:41 AM)
S70 is better
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"better" is subjective and there are many areas where it can be better or worse. The Proton S70 already failed my first hurdle or requirement which is in exterior looks. To me it doesn't look elegant. If it doesn't look good, I won't look at it anymore not to mention test-driving it.
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post Jul 11 2024, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jul 10 2024, 09:20 AM)
S70 real chassis is still B-Segment, it is built under BMA chassis. Their marketing keep on spinning, but in reality is still a longer stretch B-Segment chassis. It should be compare to like City/Vios category.
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s70 kira x70 level of sedan. nowhere to call b-seg
other than pricing
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post Jul 11 2024, 05:02 PM

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Be honest to yourself

The only think you can't accept is the proton/geely badge

QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jul 11 2024, 03:58 PM)
"better" is subjective and there are many areas where it can be better or worse. The Proton S70 already failed my first hurdle or requirement which is in exterior looks. To me it doesn't look elegant. If it doesn't look good, I won't look at it anymore not to mention test-driving it.
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Jul 11 2024, 05:02 PM)
Be honest to yourself

The only think you can't accept is the proton/geely badge
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some ppl prioritize look... nothing wrong with that ah....

i know a lady buys on color... she bought red accord despite husband having identical model year accord... lol...

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post Jul 11 2024, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Jul 11 2024, 05:45 PM)
s70 kira x70 level of sedan. nowhere to call b-seg
other than pricing
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https://global.geely.com/en/news/2021/geely...eration-emgrand

S70 = Original model Emgrand sedan

The latest Emgrand model is the first in the series to be developed on Geely’s B-segment Modular Architecture (BMA).

I wonder what that B means.

FYI, Geely also got CMA chassis.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 11 2024, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jul 11 2024, 06:01 PM)
https://global.geely.com/en/news/2021/geely...eration-emgrand

S70 = Original model Emgrand sedan

The latest Emgrand model is the first in the series to be developed on Geely’s B-segment Modular Architecture (BMA).

I wonder what that B means.

FYI, Geely also got CMA chassis.
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s50 will be what seg ?
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post Jul 12 2024, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jul 11 2024, 09:14 AM)
Sometimes we need to be fair and compare apple to apple, if not later people will take something big premium class and compare to small budget class and complain.  laugh.gif
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my fair comparison is price... $ to $... biggrin.gif

but you want to compare best in class is fine too... just another way of sorting/screening... there is no right or wrong here imho...

example i think new alza 60k is great value for money... i also think eletre 700k is great value for money too... but nobody with sound mind will compare them side by side... laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ktek @ Jul 11 2024, 11:21 PM)
s50 will be what seg ?
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BTW, did proton already launch it officially? Previously S70 already been rumored with the original name as S50
You can check the rumors' on the net, during 2022/23 years even paul tan also reported the S70 as S50 only until the official launch they feedback the model as S70.

The other marketing rumour is that the next Persona/Saga replacement will be combine into 1 model and maybe the S50 will be used on that cheaper line. If you look at Saga/Persona marketing target, they are always targeting Perodua Bezza range. If they want to save budget, i foresee they might be using similar chassis as S70, maybe make it shorter or change some design, use normal N/A engine (Maybe the 1.5T 3-cylinder engine without the turbo) to reduce overall cost.

FYI, Proton Saga & Persona all these while original Chassis are under B-Segment, only recent years as they want to compete into Bezza category they market it as A-Segment for Saga. (But in reality is B-Segment all this while)

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jul 12 2024, 09:44 AM)
BTW, did proton already launch it officially? Previously S70 already been rumored with the original name as S50
You can check the rumors' on the net, during 2022/23 years even paul tan also reported the S70 as S50 only until the official launch they feedback the model as S70.

The other marketing rumour is that the next Persona/Saga replacement will be combine into 1 model and maybe the S50 will be used on that cheaper line. If you look at Saga/Persona marketing target, they are always targeting Perodua Bezza range. If they want to save budget, i foresee they might be using similar chassis as S70, maybe make it shorter or change some design, use normal N/A engine (Maybe the 1.5T 3-cylinder engine without the turbo) to reduce overall cost.
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the Saga, Persona, Iriz sales will be a much higher if they retire the Campro heavy fuel engine with a decent NA engine as what offered by P2, and better GB than this junk Punch CVT. No idea why they keep prolong the Campro engine life, by doing a VVT last time but FC remain poor.
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Jul 11 2024, 05:02 PM)
Be honest to yourself

The only think you can't accept is the proton/geely badge
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Well, that's inaccurate supposition on your part. For any car to appeal to me, to make me consider buying it, first and foremost is the exterior looks. All other aspects are secondary. If it doesn't look good to me, it's out.

Proton badge is secondary but yes, I try to avoid a Proton car if possible but it's of less importance. If a Proton car looks great, I will consider it. However, based on my long term experience with Proton cars albeit pre-Geely rebadged versions, I tend to avoid it. I also read horror stories about X50 and X70, mainly spare parts unavailability. Other aspects include reliability and quality especially in NVH and not showing noticeable or serious rattling sound inside the cabin within say 2-3 years.


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Just to add, due to poor NVH and rattling sound inside the cabin of all Honda cars even fairly new cars, Honda cars are always out of consideration for me despite the nice good looks and impressive spec and performance on paper.
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post Jul 12 2024, 12:35 PM

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Your impression of x50/x70 had been poisoned by too many sour grape netizens and /k

Unker family and friend owned x50 and x70 for more than 2 years, they still praising how reliable and tip top the quality of their x50/x70 every time when unker met them

QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jul 12 2024, 11:47 AM)
Well, that's inaccurate supposition on your part. For any car to appeal to me, to make me consider buying it, first and foremost is the exterior looks. All other aspects are secondary. If it doesn't look good to me, it's out.

Proton badge is secondary but yes, I try to avoid a Proton car if possible but it's of less importance. If a Proton car looks great, I will consider it. However, based on my long term experience with Proton cars albeit pre-Geely rebadged versions, I tend to avoid it. I also read horror stories about X50 and X70, mainly spare parts unavailability. Other aspects include reliability and quality especially in NVH and not showing noticeable or serious rattling sound inside the cabin within say 2-3 years.
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