Hi guys,

My preference: nice, comfortable smooth bump less ride.

I have plan to get either a Altis or Civic, both has it own goods and bads. Personally, i have bad experience with Honda.

My previous ride were 2015 Honda Accord 2.4 and 2015 Honda CRV. The ride is so bumpy and not comfortable at all. The NVH is pretty bad for Honda, not match to the price that I paid for such car.

Q1: in term of ride quality and comfort level and NVH, which is the better buy?

Q2: i saw overseas new 2025 Altis is so damn nice, will Toyota Malaysia launch the same in 2025?

Any valuable constructive advice appreciated.

Deciding factor is at night when u sleep, which car you dream of driving?

Last time when I bought my first Honda, I always dream driving a Civic so no regards after purchased.

I test drove both and I found Altis too underpower and high speed stability.

As you are looking for comfort and your previous issues with Honda, dont waste time trying to buy something and doubt it.

Dont like can always change to others 5 years later.

This post has been edited by ads398: Jul 2 2024, 12:32 PM

if you are comparing comfort/NVH, same category Toyota is the better 1. Even Nissan also did better than Honda, not sure why a lot of people so crazy about Honda. For me, buy Honda is about the Type R, VTEC engine, the rest really meh..

The altis has very good looks but there are 2 issues:
1. It's underpowered. It can never compete with other japanese cars, let alone contis.
2. It has reached the end of it's lifecyle.

If you're planning the get the Altis, I suggest you wait for the new model to be launched and hopefully Toyota puts in a better engine not recycle the same old 1.8 litre that was used in the current and previous generation. TBH I've not even seen one GR Corolla Altis on the road. I think no one is buying. The car looks very good but for that amount of money you're getting an old underpowered engine.

This post has been edited by abhipraaya: Jul 2 2024, 10:29 AM

Where is your location? Come to Bangsar, Hartamas, Mont Kiara area. You'll see a few new GR Corolla Altis. I wont say there's many, but I've seen a few.

GR Corolla is the answer for those people which always say underpower. But sadly most of them dont have the money to buy it.

I believe the best way is to go and test drive and decide for yourself. From your description, the Toyota Corolla sedan is the better choice. if I'm not mistaken, the word "Altis" has been dropped is no longer used. It's now called "Corolla" only, or Corolla sedan if one doesn't want to mix it up with Corolla Cross SUV.

As usual the choice is dependent on priorities as there are pros and cons with both Civic and Corolla. I used to favour power and sporty handling but nowadays that's not so important anymore. For me it's a nice, quiet and comfortable drive which take precedence over everything else. Good NVH with minimal rattling sound inside the cabin. IN these areas, I generally find Honda vehicles from City to Accord to score poorly here. I test drove the Corolla GR Sport last year with the intention to buy one and the refinement in the drive and NVH are above average, in other words good. The downside of the Corolla, to me, is the lack of power due to the 1.8-litre engine and the high price exceeding RM150k. The power from the 1.8-litre engine is OK, and I probably could accept it if it's priced lower, but at RM150k+ I thought it's poor value. The hanlding and steering feel also were a bit lacking but that's irrelevant since it's a family orientated car, and moreover by benchmark was high comparing to my then Ford Focus 2.0 where the power and handling were one or two levels higher.

Sorry, I just read you owned the Accord and CRV and it's useful to note that your long-term experience coincide with my short term experiences having sat in my colleagues and friends Accord and Civic.

Coming back to point, for your criteria I think the Toyota Corolla is a much better choice than any of the Honda, provided you can put up with the slight lack of power and mediocre handling, and also the price. The price for the lower spec is RM140k up to RM148k for high spec and RM152k for the GR Sport version. To me it's a bit overpriced and poor value but that's just my opinion and also not forgetting it's not CKD but CBU from Thailand so that explains on the higher pricing. I owned the Nissan Sylphy 2.0 before and the NVH is among the best in its class or much pricier vehicles back in 2007. Back then I bought it for just slightly above RM110k I think. That's really great value but nowadays we can't get the same level of refinement and performance for the same money already. Sorry for being long-winded.

Poor value is mainly because of the CBU pricing.

mazda :X

Mazda NVH, comfort is also not that great as they are tune towards sportiness. Besides that, for similar category cars like example Mazda 3 the interior especially for the rear passenger really is the most cramp/smallest space making the rear passenger might felt claustrophobia. If your a family man, you will need to consider for the rear passenger comfort unless your single or your kids is still small.

I am not too concern about Value for money,

this is simple = you buy higher price = the RV also higher in the future = no difference. In terms of % drop in value, does not matter Altis or Civic.

This post has been edited by tkyong1: Jul 3 2024, 10:13 AM

I have driven 13 cars in the past decades.

Now, what i need is a comfortable car with good NVH and smooth cruising for relax driving, with very reliable maintenance.

I am not too concern about power 0-100, those are not important at all.

Altis
Honda won't fit on NVH and maintenance

it may however be more comfortable (updated dampers with proper bypass valve to deal with bumps and pot holes), smooth cruising because of the 1.5, and power is there for highway overtaking and manoeuvrability.

=edit=
I was a co owner of the latest gen FE Civic E spec for almost 2 years before sold.

the Altis is a turn off because:
1) outdated power train
2) outdated interior
3) outdated Head unit
4) poor CBU value
5) poor suspensions
6) misinformed TNGA marketing and ride and handling

7) it's not double wishbones, lol. single , half a wishbone ok la.


source:
https://www.toyota.com.my/en/models/corolla.html#performance

i hate false advertisement, and Mazda is even worse/obnoxious than Toyota lol.
so Mazda 3 to me is severely overhyped and even worse value. (yes yes CBU Japan tax.)

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 3 2024, 10:31 AM

msia honda cannot. import one are fine

Not sure what you actually mean. 137hp and 173Nm is powerful ?. It lacks behind the Civic, Mazda 3, heck, even the Protons. The GR badging didn't do anything to the power output. They only tuned the suspension and added some GR logos and changed the seats, bumper and wheels. The car looks sporty but it does not perform like one. Lacking in power is one thing, mating the engine to a CVT is a double whammy. I'm not expecting super car performance, but at least it should have > 150bhp. Infact UMW does not even advertise the 0-100km/h of this car because, well, you know why.

However, if you're only concerned about comfort, style, reliability and branding then go for it.

This post has been edited by abhipraaya: Jul 3 2024, 10:48 AM

https://www.toyota.com.my/en/models/gr-corolla.html

Where u get 137hp and 173Nm?

The website at least double the power you mentioned.

Boss, I'm talking about the Toyota Corolla GR "Sport"

i think the GR corolla mentioned is the corolla sedan with GR makeups

I already wrote/mentioned GR Corolla in my previous post is to answer those who always say Toyota underpower. This model does sell officially in Malaysia, but at a very high price tag. Not your so call GR bodykit

A1: Toyota Corolla

A2: Most probably but safest bet is 2026

This post has been edited by nghoongen: Jul 3 2024, 11:16 AM