If want to compare 2013 to 2024 cellular reduced price, isn't that also happening in the fibre as well? TM control majority of fibre yet the price is still reduced. So is the price reduction actually coming from "competition"?

Big market: Thailand = Rm0.52/gb (300gb/Rm157).
Small market: Singapore = Rm (300gb/Rm68).
Your plan = Rm0.99 (80gb/Rm79).

Based on comparison above, both our neighbors that have bigger or smaller area coverage have cheaper data plan than Malaysia 4G data plan.

With DNB 5G:
Umobile = Rm0.10/gb(1000gb/Rm98).
Yes = Unlimited no FUP.



In the US, Visible MVNO use Verizon network which is one of the biggest MNOs in the US and also the same can be said with US Mobile MVNO which use Verizon and T-Mobile.

So I'm not sure why are you saying im biased when the cheaper MVNO plan is indeed available in all area of US.


I already hear this argument many times. If you want to say that 5G only fast because nobody use it. Why Malaysia competitive 4G network still doesn't get recognized as one of the fastest 4G speed in the world?

Because when I see Ookla and Opensignal data in 2015, I can confidently said that Malaysia 4G median speed still can't beat the top global nation.


That's not how it work. You cannot just take 200MHz and divide it by 6. 200MHz is the bandwidth that everyone will get.

Another one, DNB only releasing 100MHz of n78 and 20MHz of b28 to public and still Malaysia manage to stay on top of global 5G MEDIAN speed ranking.


https://x.com/Yozzo/status/1778344034534396282

You still using the old failed 4G SWN implementation yet forget to recognized DNB 5G success implementation. In just 3 years, DNB already make people like you compare it's network performance to the whole decade of 4G network.

For your information, other people in other country already impressed with Malaysia 5G implementation of having the fastest 80% coverage rollout while getting one of the fastest 5G speed in the world.

Please tell me Mr, where is the news or data or achivement that said Malaysia 4G has reach this during 4G decades?

Ironically you said that if telco can combine their frequency with 4G like other country, it will be faster. I will ask you again. Why other country can't beat Malaysia MEDIAN 5G speed?

To get median speed, it means all location in the country need to have that same speed as well.


Using taxpayer money for public infrastructure is the best way to use tax money. If MADANI still using DNB. No money will be lost but instead Anwar and the telco love Huawei so much that he willing to sacrifice DNB for the sake of the telco profits.

If 4G is really that impressive, please just show me the data about Malaysia 4G have one of the fastest 4G speed in the world and show me the positives NPS when 4G was just release.

I doubt you can find that because it doesn't exist and will ruin your narrative. Malaysia 4G telco only know competitive profit, not competitive services.

4G is also so impressive that the goverment literally need to create JENDELA just so the rural people can get any data connection.

Secondly, telco can showcase anything, but they just want to upsell their capability, if you dont trust me, just go to My5g portal as see all the "solutions" that can be done using 5G and see which one actually exist. At the end of the day, 5G is just another G, and this another G is the reason why CelcomDigi merge because 5G investment is not cheap like how they want you to think.



Is this really what we gonna do just to protect the MNOs feeling? By saying negative NPS score like as a good thing?

Even after a decade of rolling out 4G network. Having negative experience is what supposed to be a good benchmark? After all the profits that the telco get, they cannot increase capacity for their 4G network?

Now I'm confused, first you said 5G get good score because unloaded, and then after that you said 5G is congested and loaded. Please just stick to one argument please and not spin the facts just so it can fit your narrative.

My question right now is, for example, when 4G maxis is shit, will you transfer to CelcomDigi or you just "threatening" Maxis.

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Aug 5 2024, 12:45 PM

I'm gonna be honest, what are you trying to explain here?

Now we has compared 5G to the best nation to 4G compared to the lesser nation just so we can make 4G sounds good or I'm just misunderstood here?

Because if that is the reason, isn't:
1) Yes and Umobile 5G plan is the reason Malaysia get cheaper and faster plan than 4G in Malaysia?

2) Malaysia 5G coverage in 3 years already reach more than 80%, how many years it take for the 4G network to get that coverage during 4G rollout. Any data on that?

3) 4G slow speed because of congestion is okay but 5G congestion is suddenly not okay because of DNB?

5) Starlink Indonesia is big news because it offer speed like fibre. Isn't that what DNB already done with their 5G networks. Even in peak hour, my location can easily reach 200 Mbps which is already more than basic 100Mbps fibre speed.

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Aug 11 2024, 12:00 PM

Price reduction that barely low just from the above bracket of price plan offered by other MNOs. The FUP is still limited to ~30gb-40gb. For context, Yes offered unlimited FUP while yes offered 1000gb FUP which is more cheaper per Rm. If 4G is already matured, why 5G plan can ve more affordable than 4G? Can you explain that?


Show me that data. I been showing screenshot of article and stats to support my argument. Dont be lazy and use cheap way to get away by asking me to Google instead. How you can be sure the data I Google is the same like yours. If you just show your data, I can 100% sure what you say is true and not just an assumption. If the data truly exist, just post it here already.

Again, the allegations of DNB is MCMC child, show me the data that MCMC has lied about DNB. If you just do allegations without any proof, you already sound like PAS who just love to accuse but 0 proof shown.


4G band will barely improve speed due to its only being a low band. 5G in Malaysia use midband which Malaysia and Singapore only use in SEA. But I'm gonna be honest, it can maybe can improve the capacity. For your information, DNB have license for 200MHz of mid band frequency and DNB only release half5of it now. They can activate the other half and increase the capacity per antenna later eventually. After that they can increase the antenna per sector after that.


Or maybe 10 years of 4G rollout can make the telco put out a lot of antenna per area while DNB who prioritize coverage first put 1 antenna per sector which proven to increase coverage fast at the cost of capacity. Eventually 10 years later 5G gonna like 4G as well where the area per sector can have more capacity with more antenna installed in base stations.

Since you said 5G is fast because nobody is using it, why 4G Malaysia data speed never reach other top 4G speed globally. If telco implementation of 4G is good. Why DNB bad 5g implements can make Malaysia have one of the faster 5G speed global while 4G never reach thr top global 4G speed? Any answer for that?


In 4G area, Malaysia literally has to paid more just to have 4G speed that barely fast in SEA. While with DNB, in just 3 years, already have more than 80% of "outdoors" coverage. Malaysia 5G MEDIAN speed also is one of the top globally which 4G never achieve in 10 years time. So what money is being wasted? Which part of Malaysian payed more when the coverage is extending fast and still extending until now whether in urban or rural area.

4G eventhough already decade of rolling out, the congestion still happen which I thought can already be solve since competition should give better service right, so why 4G still have congestion issue when the plan from CelcomDigi and Maxis can easily reach rm100+ which is more expensive than current 5G plan competitor?

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Aug 17 2024, 10:24 AM

https://www.opensignal.com/2024/10/5g-globa...nce-awards-2024

During 4G days, does any Malaysia telco manage to win or receive any awards from international bodies? DNB has been winning award since they first rollout their 5G yet I still don't see any data from MNOs bootlicker about how competitive 4G has one of the fastest 4G speed in the world.

Of course ordinary people like you won't care because the data already ruined your narrative. DNB already prove in such short time to be global leader.

My questions remain the same. During 4G days. Does Malaysia 4G speed is one of the fastest in the world or not?

And btw, why is Digi being bought out by Celcom, I thought competition will not drive monopoly?

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Oct 4 2024, 12:51 PM

Every network slows as adoption increases. My point is that even with more users, DNB 5G speed ranking is still outperforming Malaysia early 4G rollout speed ranking, which had much lower rankings globally. Do you deny this fact



Aiyo, you don't read properly is it? I already said 100 times I compare 3-YEAR TO 3-YEAR la. DNB 5G ranking vs telco 4G ranking both at 3 years after launch. Not comparing old 4G vs new 5G. Don't twist my words pls.

Funny, because when the 5G load is similar, countries like New Zealand, Japan, and the Philippines all have slower 5G speeds than Malaysia. So, tell me again how this is an unfair or biased comparison?

The fact is, DNB hit 80% nationwide coverage in 3 years, while Telcos took over a decade to roll out 4G. Yes, DNB indoor coverage is still expanding, but that’s a long-term process, you can’t expect it to be perfect in 3 years. Telcos didn’t have full in-building coverage during their early 4G rollout either, yet you’re suddenly holding DNB to a higher standard.

This is straight-up misinformation. L700 is a legitimate part of the 5G spectrum allocation under ITU standards. Just because it has better penetration, doesn’t make it not 5G. By your logic, DSS and NSA used globally for 5G is also “not 5G”?

That’s literally the POINT of spectrum differences. High band for speed, low band for coverage. If you think Telcos don’t also rely on low band spectrum for coverage, you’re kidding yourself. DNB strategy prioritizes widespread coverage first while gradually densifying.

Oh wow, a company promotes its product? Shocking. You act like telcos don’t advertise. Still doesn’t change the fact that DNB 5G speeds ranking are outperforming what 4G ranking in the same timeframe.

Competition? You mean like how “competitive” 4G telcos gave us garbage speeds for years? Where was all this “competition” when rural 4G coverage was neglected? Funny how you trust the same telcos that milked users with high prices and poor service to “drive the industry.” Show me la where your precious "competitive" 4G telcos got better rankings in their early years? I've asked 1000 times already, still waiting for your data...

Here the thing, Malaysia already has publicly regulated pricing for things like petrol and electricity, which benefits us with cheaper prices. TNB ensures stable electricity, unlike Thailand with messy powerline and Texas freezing incident. So, why is it a problem when DNB, in just 3 years, has already achieved more than Telcos did in 4G rollout, while also providing cheaper bills for consumers?

5G infrastructure costs are massive. It’s not like clicking a button to roll out software. The fact that 4G still struggles with congestion and call issues after years of operation proves that running a network isn’t cheap or easy. Instead of focusing on a second network, how about addressing why mergers like Celcom and Digi happened in the first place? Maybe running a 24/7 network isn’t as profitable as you think.








This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Nov 18 2024, 10:17 PM

Why does competitive 4G network pricing for consumer is more expensive than monopoly 5G?



This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Dec 2 2024, 11:30 AM

If your area has been mapped by contributer in CellMapper, you can check the nearby 5G tower location. Make sure the provider setting match this picture below.

There is a chance they will use this tower later eventually, because in context of my area, there is some empty pole that eventually installed with antenna a couple month later.

https://www.cellmapper.net/map?MCC=502&MNC=...rialUnits=false

Match the settings below 100% no matter what telco you use:


Here is the location of 5G antenna:


This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Dec 9 2024, 08:32 AM

The MNOs already been given their privilege of creating their own network during 4G era. CelcomDigi and Maxis have the best coverage but at what cost? What Malaysian get? High 4G price with ridiculous FUP. Even with that privilege, Malaysia 4G internet speed is still one of the slowest in Southeast Asia.

To make DNB sound more efficient, DNB only need to use 100Mhz of N78 and 20Mhz of L28 to be have of the fastest MEDIAN 5G speed in the whole world while other country with millimeter wave spectrum is below Malaysia.


https://www.lowyat.net/2022/266106/malaysia...load-speed-sea/

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Dec 9 2024, 07:21 PM

End user "pay more"? Based on what data you reference to? Finding by The Edge in the article publish on 11 November 2024 shown that 5G plan price per Gb is almost 76% cheaper than 4G plan (in context of SWN).



*Maybe I'm missunderstanding your point because you talking in context of DWN instead of SWN? If I'm missunderstanding your point, I appologize for it.

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Dec 9 2024, 07:17 PM

Another reply, another "surely". I want to read facts from you yet all I get is just an assumption again and again.
Latest report by OpenSignal shown that Kuala Lumpur still has one of the fastest 5G speed in APAC.
https://www.opensignal.com/2024/11/07/benchmarking-the-mobile-experience-in-apac-cities-november-2024

For context, Malaysia in December 2024 already have 52% of user using 5G network in just 3 years of 5G rollout by DNB.https://www.businesstoday.com.my/2024/12/17/malaysia-achieves-significant-progress-in-5g-adoption-and-jendela-initiatives/

If spectrum bandwidth is the reason why Malaysia 4G speed is slower compared to other country. Malaysia 5G only use 120Mhz of bandwidth total while other country like USA have more spectrum bandwidth than Malaysia 5G. Yet their median 5G speed limit still can't even beat Malaysia.
https://www.opensignal.com/2024/06/06/5g-fixed-wireless-access-fwa-success-in-the-us-a-roadmap-for-broadband-success-elsewhere

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Dec 18 2024, 01:45 AM

Don't worry. Have some patience. I see a 5G basestation installed for month before they even activate it. You will know it's activated when the signal is getting higher than usual.

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Dec 17 2024, 03:11 PM

Based on that Lowyat article. The only country that doesn't have 5G is Cambodia and Vietnam. Yet still, Vietnam is high above Malaysia in mobile speed ranking.https://www.lowyat.net/2022/266106/malaysia-2nd-lowest-download-speed-sea/

Malaysia 4G speed ranking in 2016(3 years after 4G rolled out in Malaysia.) For context, fastest 4G speed in this chart is 41Mbps.
https://www.opensignal.com/reports/2016/08/...mobile-network#

Malaysia 5G speed ranking after 3 years of rollout.

Compared to other country that also getting slowed down the more user they have? Malaysia 5G speeds indeed have decreased from a median of 506.96 Mbps in Q2 2023 to 387.39 Mbps in Q2 2024 yet Malaysia 5G speed still remain among the fastest globally.

In contrast of Lowyat favorite 5G country, Thailand 5G speed recorded a stagnant median speed of 133.5 Mbps as of Q2 2024.https://www.ookla.com/articles/apac-5g-midband-spectrum

Yet when comparing with other country that have same amount of 5G service like Malaysia, they still can't beat Malaysia median 5G speed.https://www.ookla.com/articles/apac-5g-midband-spectrum

Again, assuming without backing up your statement with any data or prove.

Internet especially mobile network is already becoming a basic nessasity. We have other sectors that can be push towards profitability such as A.I.

I thought the benefits of competition during 4G era is to have cheaper and better product for consumer? Suddenly the discussion now is about to milk the profit from the consumer as much as possible?

So, goverment supporting DNB is just like other basic subsidies we have in Malaysia. Giving affordable and accessible services to Malaysians is suddenly a bad thing?

Think long term, cheaper 5G plans will drive growth in tech industries and spill over into the economy. Just like how public transport, even if costly and "wasteful", it benefits surrounding areas in the long run.

It's ironic that you said 5G will become deteriorating when decades after 4G existed in Malaysia, we still have congestion problem with 4G network. So what is the difference with DNB? With 4G, I still have to pay Rm60+ just to get respectful FUP while with 5G, YES and Umobile can offer 5G plan with bigger FUP in more affordable price than 4G plan.







This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Dec 18 2024, 11:39 AM

Competitive 4G = Most expensive and slowest mobile data plan in ASEAN.

5G "monopoly" = Cheapest mobile data plan even cheaper than 4G.

I rather stick to real life data instead of theory. You have to test your hypothesis and see the result. Not create a hypothesis and stick with it without any data proving it.

Sadly there is no information for that now.

DNB and EDOTCO successfully deploy 5G in-building coverage at KLIA Terminal 1 and Terminal 2



Travellers flying via KLIA Terminal 1 and Terminal 2 (aka KLIA 2) can look forward to improved 5G connectivity indoors as Digital Nasional Berhad (DNB) and EDOTCO Group have announced the successful completion of the airports’ 5G In-Building Solutions (IBS). The new milestone is said to mark a significant step in enhancing connectivity and improving the digital experience for travellers and visitors as Malaysia begins its ASEAN Chairmanship this year.


The IBS installation was completed within two months and was activated on Friday during the handover ceremony between DNB, EDOTCO and Malaysia Airports Holdings Berhad (MAHB).

EDOTCO is Malaysia Airports’ preferred partner in deploying telco infrastructure within the 10km x 10km radius of KLIA area. As of January 2025, EDOTCO has successfully delivered 52 5G in-building connectivity solutions across Terminal 1 and Terminal 2 along with 9 outdoor 5G poles, to provide enhanced connectivity throughout the KLIA vicinity.

With 5G IBS, users can enjoy faster and reliable connectivity in public and commercial buildings. The indoor coverage also enables businesses and enterprises to implement new 5G use cases to improve operational efficiency and deliver better value to their customers.

One of the showcased 5G use cases is a 5G-AI powered autonomous last-mile delivery robot by local technology developer eMooVit and CelcomDigi. When deployed, these solutions are capable of ensuring safe, efficient and timely delivery of goods or luggage, which would help reduce cost and reliance on manual labour. As a result, the airport can benefit from improved customer experience with contactless and dependable logistics, while promoting sustainability from lower carbon emissions.

According to DNB, they currently have 5G IBS at a total of 73 sites covering strategic and government facilities. This includes Senai International Airport, Penang International Airport, Setia Spice Arena, Setia Spice Convention Centre, KOMTAR, KL Sentral, Institut Jantung Negara (IJN), PPUM, PPUKM, Hospital Putrajaya, Hospital Selayang, Hospital Sg Buloh, Hospital Shah Alam, and various Urban Transformation Centres (UTCs).

DNB CEO Datuk Azman said, “Through collaboration with Mobile Network Operators (MNOs) and building owners, DNB’s key focus this year is to enhance 5G indoor coverage and connectivity. The installation at KLIA and KLIA2 is a significant milestone, with plans to extend 5G IBS to other key locations.”

Meanwhile, EDOTCO Group CEO, Adlan Tajudin said, “Our commitment to providing innovative, sustainable infrastructure augurs well with Malaysia’s vision of becoming a digital hub. The activation of 5G IBS at KLIA and KLIA2 marks another significant step forward in our journey, and together, we are paving the way for seamless, reliable connectivity that supports both economic growth and an enhanced user experience.”

Malaysia Airports CIO, VijayKumar Dayinde said, “The integration of 5G infrastructure in KLIA is a transformative upgrade that enhances operational efficiency and passenger convenience by leveraging 5G’s speed, low latency, and high data capacity. It supports IoT devices, smart sensors, and advanced digital solutions, enabling us to meet evolving demands while prioritising efficiency, satisfaction, and resilience.”

Interesting, still 5G NSA in my area.

Based on quick Google search, 5G Advanced is either on 3GPP Release 18 or Release 19. To know what Release of 3GPP your smartphone use is to check what SOC your phone use and check the SOC documentation for modem.

Although 5G-Advanced mainly upgrades industry technology, your smartphone modem will also get smarter with these updates.

Think of 3GPP releases as the "underlying updates" that improve your modem, even if we only see the 4G or 5G labels.











This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Feb 5 2025, 01:09 PM

Malaysia’s 5G Adoption Hits 53.35%, Coverage Expands to 82.4%

https://x.com/fahmi_fadzil/status/1887073754360193091



This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Feb 5 2025, 08:47 PM