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 Every Malaysian have to use MyInvois?, Or else face legal action? So strict?

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post Apr 20 2024, 06:47 AM

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QUOTE(Roblox Malaya @ Apr 19 2024, 08:57 PM)
govt want to do e-invois to collect more taxes.

If implement GST then don't need to implement e-invois.

Jibby explained this a long time ago in 2018 after GE14.

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In a lengthy Facebook post today, former prime minister Najib Abdul Razak warned of more tax evasion and other illicit economic activity once the sales and services tax (SST) is reintroduced.

Najib said he introduced GST during his administration not just to increase federal revenue, but also because of the comparative advantages of the tax.

Otherwise, he added, all he would have had to do was raise SST, corporate tax, income tax, or appropriate funds from Petronas to raise money.

The former premier maintained that GST was introduced to make Malaysia's economic structure more stable and competitive.

Although GST does raise more revenue that the SST it replaced, he explained, it is not simply because the tax is imposed on more items – since it has nearly as many exemptions as the SST about to be reintroduced.

Instead, he said the increased revenue under GST is due to a reduction in tax evasion and avoidance. This is because it allows for taxation on the black economy, illicit capital outflows, migrant worker remittances and the tourism industry.

“It is here where a large portion of the tax revenue came from. Under the sales tax system, manufacturers or importers could set up a distribution company that acts as their proxy, and then sell products cheaply to the distribution company," his Facebook post read.

“The sales tax is only applied on manufacturers and importers, and this allows them to declare a lower sales tax.

“Or, a shop that is supposed to collect service tax could keep the collections, and not return a large portion of it to the government. Unlike GST where they could claim input tax credits, there is no incentive under SST for them to declare the true amount.

“Under GST and a self-monitoring system, the sales price from the distributor to the end-user is monitored, so tax evasion could be reduced."

“We would also lose our economic capability to withstand a recession or a sharp fall in prices of the commodities we export, without falling into an economic crisis because we no longer have GST to act as a buffer."

Although no longer in a position to stop the government from abolishing GST, Najib said, he still wants the government to know the consequences that the rakyat and the country will face in coming years.
https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/437885
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this is just pure bullshit.

Fact check time: which party first starting the journey for e-invoice? It was BN
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5316076


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post Apr 20 2024, 06:54 AM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Apr 19 2024, 11:43 PM)
He didnt fail his maths la

You know the numbers better

SST collects less than GST because its not as broad based. 10% ST upon import and charged by manufacturers. In the middle of the supply chain. How to beat 6% at the end of the supply chain.

Which is why GST is superior, pass thru collect at the end. Businesses are also incentivized not to tamper or cheat as its the consumer paying not them.

SST evasion is harder now because it uses the same self monitoring system that GST uses

SST-03 form vs GST-03 to file.

The GAF audit file functionality is still there for customs audit

CJ-5 for exemption being phased out by the more simpler (and easier to detect for fraud) Schedules A and C forms.

Sos i work for a manufacturer la. Bring back GST anytime.
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Bring back GST does not mean you do not have to implement e-invoice. If there is any political party dare to declare that they will never ever implement e-invoice then I will believe such a thing will actually happen. Otherwise, I think you have no choice but to deal with it, eventually.
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post Apr 20 2024, 06:57 AM

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Cukur gov now can make more money by selling software to the rakyat that must be bought.

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post Apr 20 2024, 07:12 AM

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QUOTE(fongsk26 @ Apr 20 2024, 06:08 AM)
There is a local software company that provides free e invoicing to BZ.  I cannot recall which but it is a basic software.  If you want more complex systems, u have to pay.   I got this info from Youtube.  Try do a search 🔎 on e invoices.  There is an hour long u tube where 2 representatives of 2 companies were discussing about e invoices.  It was like an hour long!
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For small volume, don't even need any software. All you need is a phone to record the details using a portal run by IRB. That's in theory anyway. The key issue is IRB has never shown that their system is ready. lol. Anwar should just publicly announce it to be cancelled or delayed.

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post Apr 20 2024, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(vhs @ Apr 20 2024, 07:12 AM)
For small volume, don't even need any software. All you need is a phone to record the details using a portal run by IRB. That's in theory anyway. The key issue is IRB has never shown that their system is ready. lol. Anwar should just publicly announce it to be cancelled or delayed.
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Yes, LHDN also have a basic e invoice system FOC. But hat is for a simple or small BZ. You have to repeatedly data entry all the data like TIN, company name, add etc each time u want to issue an e invoice. Small operation is ok but if u generate hundreds of e invoice daily, then it is not going to make sense to use LHDN systems, I believe.
I did read that LHDN has been busy engaging the consultants and BZ owners for feedbacks, based on u tube articles. How good or bad is the final product? Well we will see soon once it is implemented this year by ah2, I think for the first phase.
PMX announced? Hahahhaa… Don hold your breath. When was the last time he made any worthy announcements as FM? The best one was ask governor BNM, I think.

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post Apr 20 2024, 08:37 AM

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Yes if we can weaken the gov again until MPs jump ship.
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It's not weaken because you need to wait 4 more years next election. Nothing gain not even weaken. PN always play propaganda that not work. MP cannot change now because DYMM already stated his stand no change of gomen until unity gomen term ended. Just dream on.
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post Apr 20 2024, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(vhs @ Apr 20 2024, 06:47 AM)
this is just pure bullshit.

Fact check time: which party first starting the journey for e-invoice? It was BN
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5316076
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I am all for e-invoicing. It supplements GST for taxation ‘transparency’. With this, a lot of loopholes to evade tax is removed. One of the tax consultants in u tube did mentioned that with the e invoice, it is issued to your name or company name. So cannot double claim it something of that sort….🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
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post Apr 20 2024, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(danielmckey @ Apr 20 2024, 08:37 AM)
It's not weaken because you need to wait 4 more years next election. Nothing gain not even weaken. PN always play propaganda that not work. MP cannot change now because DYMM already stated his stand no change of gomen until unity gomen term ended. Just dream on.
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I am not an expert on the constitution law but of the gov falls due to loss of majority in the parliament, the gov can change as Parliament is our law. What the DYMM said was he will not entertain any SD claims like ‘I have a strong # , and we will take a whole bus to the istana to seek to overthrow the current gov etc’.. if the change of gov is done the proper way via constitution, the new gov is legal.
But if just saying I have the strong, convincing numbers read from a piece of blackened photostated paper, then tak boleh pakai and the DYMM will not even entertain.
I can be wrong though! N
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post Apr 20 2024, 09:13 AM

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Those that against e-invoice are probably tax evaders la.

Though I do agree that the way they intro / plan to implement the system could have been done better. I know Banking side they already started planning since last year Q3. But not much progress since rely heavily on govt's next steps which are not really clear.
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QUOTE(fongsk26 @ Apr 20 2024, 06:08 AM)
There is a local software company that provides free e invoicing to BZ.  I cannot recall which but it is a basic software.  If you want more complex systems, u have to pay.  I got this info from Youtube.  Try do a search 🔎 on e invoices.  There is an hour long u tube where 2 representatives of 2 companies were discussing about e invoices.  It was like an hour long!
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Bukku is good
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post Apr 20 2024, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(ClericKilla @ Apr 20 2024, 09:31 AM)
Bukku is good
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Bukku is the software? Free?
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post Apr 20 2024, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(fongsk26 @ Apr 20 2024, 09:33 AM)
Bukku is the software?  Free?
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Nope paid but it's the fastest growing cloud accounting.

The last I checked with them two months back. As user just create invoice as per usual it will create as e invoice. Waiting for the api spec from government. They hosted few session for discussion and there are so many questions unanswered about the whole e invoice.

I can already smell bad implementation coming soon.
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post Apr 20 2024, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(vhs @ Apr 20 2024, 06:45 AM)
Ironically, if next government brings back GST they will surely also brings back e-invoice because it is a supporting mechnism. laugh.gif
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The objective is to keep them busy changing gov so no gov will have time for anything.
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post Apr 20 2024, 09:44 AM

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KKB kasi kalah je la as a warning
more funny thing, more kalah

fed up with this. Ppl want easy life.
Madani goes and makes things difficult for ppl WTF
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QUOTE(ClericKilla @ Apr 20 2024, 09:39 AM)
Nope paid but it's the fastest growing cloud accounting.

The last I checked with them two months back. As user just create invoice as per usual it will create as e invoice. Waiting for the api spec from government. They hosted  few session for discussion and there are so many questions unanswered about the whole e invoice.

I can already smell bad implementation coming soon.
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Thanked, yes. I read about the cloud abses e invoice software. And yes, the whole industries that is affected this H2 implementation (those above 100MM) including the consulting companies and software companies are in close contact with the gov agency. Anyway, for us, by time we use it, either as an individual or mini SME come next Jul-2025, it should have been stabilised. Fingers crossed!
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post Apr 20 2024, 10:08 AM

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gst and e-invoicing are both different thing

anyhow e-invoicing will come anyhow be it BN, Bersatu, PH in power

its to pay tax sufficiently which not good for biz owners like me
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QUOTE(SuperTuhan @ Apr 20 2024, 10:08 AM)
gst and e-invoicing are both different thing

anyhow e-invoicing will come anyhow be it BN, Bersatu, PH in power

its to pay tax sufficiently which not good for biz owners like me
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The prob is, who pay for the extra workload?
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post Apr 20 2024, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(fongsk26 @ Apr 20 2024, 08:44 AM)
I am not an expert on the constitution law but of the gov falls due to loss of majority in the parliament, the gov can change as Parliament is our law.  What the DYMM said was he will not entertain any SD claims like ‘I have a strong # , and we will take a whole bus to the istana to seek to overthrow the current gov etc’..  if the change of gov is done the proper way via constitution, the new gov is legal. 
But if just saying I have the strong, convincing numbers read from a piece of blackened photostated paper, then tak boleh pakai and the DYMM will not even entertain. 
I can be wrong though! N
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LoL. PN can try but until now they all missing in action. Did you see them make noise nowadays? You know the reason behind it.
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QUOTE(fongsk26 @ Apr 19 2024, 10:45 PM)
I read somewhere that they can do batch invoicing at the end of the day.  So they do not have to give real time invoice. 
I am in China now and their system is simple.  Even hawkers can issue invoice for tax purposes.  Maybe the gov is adopting the same systems.
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Batch invoicing still need someone to record every single sales/purchase, else the total will not be accurate, only estimated.

Very hard for nenek kuih muih to do, especially with many low value cash sales.

Unless they use App with prefilled info, just scan QR for every sale.

Gov does not have E-invoice app so far, only a clumsy portal that's not even up last checked. haih.

QUOTE(Zaryl @ Apr 19 2024, 10:46 PM)
i do rent my 2nd house for 2 years now. but got rental agreement & LHDN stamp duty lah. I do declare my rental income in eFiling every year without fail.

still need to provide monthly myInvois ka? i do keep excel ledger though to keep track on rental income, house maintenance and whatnot

jilake madanon!  ranting.gif  doh.gif
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According to gov, yes, need to key in all the details and monthly amount, but MyInvois portal not ready and no mobile app.

I read their guide, got lots of details, hopefully no need re-enter for every transaction, that would be ridiculous.

QUOTE(fongsk26 @ Apr 19 2024, 10:47 PM)
They have not even decided if your expense claims from mileage claims, entertainment claims etc need invoicing.  This is what I understand from watching online explanations about the my invoices.
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The user guide says need to "self issue invoice", haih.

Problem is, if people not honest, put bigger or smaller amount, how can they tell?

How many million gov auditors needed to check?

QUOTE(jayakumarsc2 @ Apr 19 2024, 10:53 PM)
when they make everything too hard and too dependent on some online portal that run by incompetents

then black market will grow

people will stick to cash, you can already see people starting to switch back to cash rather than QR

people will keep cash, even switch to foreign currency

LHDN should focus on big players , taukays, not try to push SME to e-invoice.
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But gov says even cash need issue e-invoice, but if both buyer and seller berpakat, how to check? lol

Cash in cash out no invoice langsung, only can check if their bank accounts suddenly very fat.

But fat account can also transfer to Tax haven or diversify, very hard to audit.


QUOTE(jack2 @ Apr 19 2024, 11:41 PM)
e-invoice is to prevent ppl "ahem ahem" tax
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Small time biz and nenek sell kuih maybe can prevent, but big time tax evader VERY hard to prevent, they long time transferred all profits to tax haven, no audit trail.

This will only make poor people's life harder, rich people keep pay little to no tax.

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post Apr 20 2024, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(danielmckey @ Apr 20 2024, 12:40 PM)
LoL. PN can try but until now they all missing in action. Did you see them make noise nowadays? You know the reason behind it.
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All I can say is they buy and munch pop corn from our resident MCA whilst watching PH shoots the selves in the foot. 😎😎😎😎😎 why even make any noise when ur opponent is actions favour you?

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