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 Every Malaysian have to use MyInvois?, Or else face legal action? So strict?

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fongsk26
post Apr 19 2024, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(LonelyHart16 @ Apr 19 2024, 10:28 PM)
Yes, but have to use their MyInvois portal, key in LOTS of details and get QR codes, so Gov can track your rent, sales, earnings.

Tenant and customers also need to keep a copy, for tax record.

VERY troublesome and worst of all, their MyInvois portal not working yet, but they want to fully implement end of year. lol

Paper invoice will be banned, accordingly.
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They have not even decided if your expense claims from mileage claims, entertainment claims etc need invoicing. This is what I understand from watching online explanations about the my invoices.
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post Apr 19 2024, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Apr 19 2024, 08:32 PM)
e-invois applies only to tax payers.

Warung owner all no need to do.

Kinda defeats the purpose, one of it is to avoid tax evaders. But gomen making taxpayers life susah only, those that lari cukai gomen couldn't do anything because there's no record of them.

Best solution probably CBDC but we all mostly won't like it, no privacy and lousy mobile network  biggrin.gif
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Probably the tax payers that don't have good accounting system.

But still those non tax payers who evade in multiple ways... speechless. I believe the tax payers are paying for those who don't pay.
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post Apr 19 2024, 10:53 PM

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when they make everything too hard and too dependent on some online portal that run by incompetents

then black market will grow

people will stick to cash, you can already see people starting to switch back to cash rather than QR

people will keep cash, even switch to foreign currency

LHDN should focus on big players , taukays, not try to push SME to e-invoice.


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post Apr 19 2024, 10:54 PM

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Inkambing single tax agency, that one is lhdn initiative
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post Apr 19 2024, 11:02 PM

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It Will further increase compliance costs for actual taxpayers. It doesn't affect ppl who have not paid tax at all nor broaden the tax base
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post Apr 19 2024, 11:03 PM

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This si the time all those hawkers, SME try to evade tax kena trace.

Years of paying matherfucker tax...puiii
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QUOTE(Roblox Malaya @ Apr 19 2024, 08:57 PM)
govt want to do e-invois to collect more taxes.

If implement GST then don't need to implement e-invois.

Jibby explained this a long time ago in 2018 after GE14.

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In a lengthy Facebook post today, former prime minister Najib Abdul Razak warned of more tax evasion and other illicit economic activity once the sales and services tax (SST) is reintroduced.

Najib said he introduced GST during his administration not just to increase federal revenue, but also because of the comparative advantages of the tax.

Otherwise, he added, all he would have had to do was raise SST, corporate tax, income tax, or appropriate funds from Petronas to raise money.

The former premier maintained that GST was introduced to make Malaysia's economic structure more stable and competitive.

Although GST does raise more revenue that the SST it replaced, he explained, it is not simply because the tax is imposed on more items – since it has nearly as many exemptions as the SST about to be reintroduced.

Instead, he said the increased revenue under GST is due to a reduction in tax evasion and avoidance. This is because it allows for taxation on the black economy, illicit capital outflows, migrant worker remittances and the tourism industry.

“It is here where a large portion of the tax revenue came from. Under the sales tax system, manufacturers or importers could set up a distribution company that acts as their proxy, and then sell products cheaply to the distribution company," his Facebook post read.

“The sales tax is only applied on manufacturers and importers, and this allows them to declare a lower sales tax.

“Or, a shop that is supposed to collect service tax could keep the collections, and not return a large portion of it to the government. Unlike GST where they could claim input tax credits, there is no incentive under SST for them to declare the true amount.

“Under GST and a self-monitoring system, the sales price from the distributor to the end-user is monitored, so tax evasion could be reduced."

“We would also lose our economic capability to withstand a recession or a sharp fall in prices of the commodities we export, without falling into an economic crisis because we no longer have GST to act as a buffer."

Although no longer in a position to stop the government from abolishing GST, Najib said, he still wants the government to know the consequences that the rakyat and the country will face in coming years.
https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/437885
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Too bad he was a crook who did all that so he could profit.
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QUOTE(Roblox Malaya @ Apr 19 2024, 08:57 PM)
govt want to do e-invois to collect more taxes.

If implement GST then don't need to implement e-invois.

Jibby explained this a long time ago in 2018 after GE14.

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In a lengthy Facebook post today, former prime minister Najib Abdul Razak warned of more tax evasion and other illicit economic activity once the sales and services tax (SST) is reintroduced.

Najib said he introduced GST during his administration not just to increase federal revenue, but also because of the comparative advantages of the tax.

Otherwise, he added, all he would have had to do was raise SST, corporate tax, income tax, or appropriate funds from Petronas to raise money.

The former premier maintained that GST was introduced to make Malaysia's economic structure more stable and competitive.

Although GST does raise more revenue that the SST it replaced, he explained, it is not simply because the tax is imposed on more items – since it has nearly as many exemptions as the SST about to be reintroduced.

Instead, he said the increased revenue under GST is due to a reduction in tax evasion and avoidance. This is because it allows for taxation on the black economy, illicit capital outflows, migrant worker remittances and the tourism industry.

“It is here where a large portion of the tax revenue came from. Under the sales tax system, manufacturers or importers could set up a distribution company that acts as their proxy, and then sell products cheaply to the distribution company," his Facebook post read.

“The sales tax is only applied on manufacturers and importers, and this allows them to declare a lower sales tax.

“Or, a shop that is supposed to collect service tax could keep the collections, and not return a large portion of it to the government. Unlike GST where they could claim input tax credits, there is no incentive under SST for them to declare the true amount.

“Under GST and a self-monitoring system, the sales price from the distributor to the end-user is monitored, so tax evasion could be reduced."

“We would also lose our economic capability to withstand a recession or a sharp fall in prices of the commodities we export, without falling into an economic crisis because we no longer have GST to act as a buffer."

Although no longer in a position to stop the government from abolishing GST, Najib said, he still wants the government to know the consequences that the rakyat and the country will face in coming years.
https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/437885
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Sorry but no

GST is managed by Customs and is a value added tax passed on to consumers

E-invoicing is an LHDN initiative and seeks to stamp evasion by companies (among other things). LHDN manages corporate tax or specifically corporate profit tax

What you shared from your boss is highlighting the superiority of GST compared to SST as a value added tax system. Which i agree hence spare me the spamming

But odds are if he was in power for ease of doing business and to stamp more leakages this would have gone thru as well


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QUOTE(Roblox Malaya @ Apr 19 2024, 08:57 PM)
govt want to do e-invois to collect more taxes.

If implement GST then don't need to implement e-invois.

Jibby explained this a long time ago in 2018 after GE14.

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In a lengthy Facebook post today, former prime minister Najib Abdul Razak warned of more tax evasion and other illicit economic activity once the sales and services tax (SST) is reintroduced.

Najib said he introduced GST during his administration not just to increase federal revenue, but also because of the comparative advantages of the tax.

Otherwise, he added, all he would have had to do was raise SST, corporate tax, income tax, or appropriate funds from Petronas to raise money.

The former premier maintained that GST was introduced to make Malaysia's economic structure more stable and competitive.

Although GST does raise more revenue that the SST it replaced, he explained, it is not simply because the tax is imposed on more items – since it has nearly as many exemptions as the SST about to be reintroduced.

Instead, he said the increased revenue under GST is due to a reduction in tax evasion and avoidance. This is because it allows for taxation on the black economy, illicit capital outflows, migrant worker remittances and the tourism industry.

“It is here where a large portion of the tax revenue came from. Under the sales tax system, manufacturers or importers could set up a distribution company that acts as their proxy, and then sell products cheaply to the distribution company," his Facebook post read.

“The sales tax is only applied on manufacturers and importers, and this allows them to declare a lower sales tax.

“Or, a shop that is supposed to collect service tax could keep the collections, and not return a large portion of it to the government. Unlike GST where they could claim input tax credits, there is no incentive under SST for them to declare the true amount.

“Under GST and a self-monitoring system, the sales price from the distributor to the end-user is monitored, so tax evasion could be reduced."

“We would also lose our economic capability to withstand a recession or a sharp fall in prices of the commodities we export, without falling into an economic crisis because we no longer have GST to act as a buffer."

Although no longer in a position to stop the government from abolishing GST, Najib said, he still wants the government to know the consequences that the rakyat and the country will face in coming years.
https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/437885
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tanya dap la...mana itu famous song? dia orang bodoh, semua ikut bodoh...

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QUOTE(danielmckey @ Apr 19 2024, 09:13 PM)
You voted out only 1 seat in Selangor. Worth? LoL
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Yes if we can weaken the gov again until MPs jump ship.
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post Apr 19 2024, 11:41 PM

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e-invoice is to prevent ppl "ahem ahem" tax
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Apr 19 2024, 11:02 PM)
It Will further increase compliance costs for actual taxpayers. It doesn't affect ppl who have not paid tax at all nor broaden the tax base
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besides increasing compliance and administration cost, it adds extra time for certain people to handle

at the end, gaji x naik, accountants or freelancer accountants cabut.
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QUOTE(Roblox Malaya @ Apr 19 2024, 09:09 PM)
Eh..... you got the entire thing upside down lah.

SST is Sales Tax 10% and Service tax 8%.

Unless you failed in maths, I am sure you know 10% and 8% is higher than GST 6%.

GST has a self-monitoring feature that dramatically cuts down on tax evasion.

Whereas it is very easy for people to evade tax using SST. That's why the total collection on SST is lower than GST even though the tax rates are higher.

SST also has a tax-on-tax compounding effect where the final tax rate we pay is higher - that's why implementing SST again is a reason why prices increased much faster after GE14.
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He didnt fail his maths la

You know the numbers better

SST collects less than GST because its not as broad based. 10% ST upon import and charged by manufacturers. In the middle of the supply chain. How to beat 6% at the end of the supply chain.

Which is why GST is superior, pass thru collect at the end. Businesses are also incentivized not to tamper or cheat as its the consumer paying not them.

SST evasion is harder now because it uses the same self monitoring system that GST uses

SST-03 form vs GST-03 to file.

The GAF audit file functionality is still there for customs audit

CJ-5 for exemption being phased out by the more simpler (and easier to detect for fraud) Schedules A and C forms.

Sos i work for a manufacturer la. Bring back GST anytime.



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QUOTE(fongsk26 @ Apr 19 2024, 10:45 PM)
I read somewhere that they can do batch invoicing at the end of the day.  So they do not have to give real time invoice. 
I am in China now and their system is simple.  Even hawkers can issue invoice for tax purposes.  Maybe the gov is adopting the same systems.
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hahaha....
impossible those road side stall gonna do the invoicing....

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post Apr 19 2024, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(LonelyHart16 @ Apr 19 2024, 10:28 PM)
Yes, but have to use their MyInvois portal, key in LOTS of details and get QR codes, so Gov can track your rent, sales, earnings.

Tenant and customers also need to keep a copy, for tax record.

VERY troublesome and worst of all, their MyInvois portal not working yet, but they want to fully implement end of year. lol

Paper invoice will be banned, accordingly.
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A lot Malaysian accounting company still waiting for myinvois api to validate the invoice when they create.

And the implementation is very soon. Still most software not ready.

Just saying
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post Apr 20 2024, 06:05 AM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Apr 19 2024, 11:52 PM)
hahaha....
impossible those road side stall gonna do the invoicing....
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In China, yes. But in Malaysia, let’s see. BTW, LHDN has organised a series of seminars to educate people on this e invoices monthly across the country. These r for bz since BZ are most affected. I registered for the one in KL in Jul but has not got any confirmation. LHDN sent an email about this.
I think this is a good initiative to target those BZ that are not currently included in income tax. From what I know, the first phase of the e invoice will start this year for BZ above 100 MM and the mechanism is almost done except for some issues like expense claims etc. so, let’s see how is the implementation.
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QUOTE(ClericKilla @ Apr 19 2024, 11:57 PM)
A lot Malaysian accounting company still waiting for myinvois api to validate the invoice when they create.

And the implementation is very soon. Still most software not ready.

Just saying
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There is a local software company that provides free e invoicing to BZ. I cannot recall which but it is a basic software. If you want more complex systems, u have to pay. I got this info from Youtube. Try do a search 🔎 on e invoices. There is an hour long u tube where 2 representatives of 2 companies were discussing about e invoices. It was like an hour long!
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MCMC need do more work and inform the masses since 2023
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Apr 19 2024, 10:46 PM)
i do rent my 2nd house for 2 years now. but got rental agreement & LHDN stamp duty lah. I do declare my rental income in eFiling every year without fail.

still need to provide monthly myInvois ka? i do keep excel ledger though to keep track on rental income, house maintenance and whatnot

jilake madanon!  ranting.gif  doh.gif
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damn son. more hassle / work but less value to us.

will definitely out this bmx led . PN/PAS much better than this crap
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1st step is to vote them out in KKB by election.
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Ironically, if next government brings back GST they will surely also brings back e-invoice because it is a supporting mechnism. laugh.gif

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