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post Mar 20 2024, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(kcal @ Mar 20 2024, 09:11 PM)
so, the problem is from china la. i hope malaysia gov have the guts to cut the diplomatic ties with china
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Mar 20 2024, 06:08 PM)
Somehow smells fishy. 18000 sock, 5 pair and 881 outlet and somehow some sharp eye religion protector can spot the offending example at that one particular branch in sunway. And immediately post on socmed and then zakir naik protege noticed it. I mean how often does one shop for socks at kk mart?

And too coincidental that the issue is viraled up right at beginning of Ramadan and then a concerted non stop attack campaign.

My senses tell me something not right. Too convenient a bullet for some ppl who wants to make an r&r issue to score points.
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I share a similar suspicion. How hard would it be for a few pairs of socks to be removed, taken to have some extra embroidery added, and then put back into the stocks to be subsequently "discovered".
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 20 2024, 06:21 PM)
Last year KK was on an expansion spree and there were talks about taking the company public. Obviously the company was doing well enough.

Now everybody knows KK is owned by a Chinese, even if nobody really cared before in the past. Imagine after this hoohah causing financial problems, and last last he has to shop around for a white knight to buy the company out...

Since the issue was RnR related, the only ones that can buy and 'rehabilitate' the image would most likely be a Malay consortium.
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Gunpoint robbery??

Aka robbery in broad daylight.
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QUOTE(kcal @ Mar 20 2024, 09:11 PM)
so, the problem is from china la. i hope malaysia gov have the guts to cut the diplomatic ties with china
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Komunis and Muslims not supposed to have much in common.

And all this goes back to Palestine issue yet again... wink.gif
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QUOTE(kcal @ Mar 20 2024, 09:11 PM)
so, the problem is from china la. i hope malaysia gov have the guts to cut the diplomatic ties with china
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even if problem from china, you think big china factory have so much time to custom made 5 socks for your?
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QUOTE(insan_kamil @ Mar 20 2024, 09:19 PM)
The minor gainers are leeches. What ts is proposing is serious. If it was sabotage, do you think KK will take this lying down? For the shop, i would wager minimum CCTV is 2 weeks. Warehouses usually store them much longer. Mine personally lasts a month.

Investigation that went underway is trying to establish from warehouse to shop. You try to plant some dumb sock there in that chain, you would get caught. you think they dont have batch numbers? Even for my small ops i have honeywell scanners. You think KK is small? And KK is doing its own investigation. They've apologized. You think they just apologized without going through their legal?

This was an honest mistake in my books. If it is/was, its on the owner. Lets just take it for what it is.
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Speaking of instructions?? Are there instructions that came together with the said socks? I strongly doubt do.

(Instructions such as: put on the left sock first then the right side. Or: wear two socks (or more) on both feet, for maximum comfort and safety??? Or: roll up the right sock first and insert the toes inside. Slowly unroll the sock on the right foot. Repeat on the other foot.)

SO.

Where's the insult? WHAT HUMILIATION? Where's the proof that he has any intention to insult or humiliate anyone??

If you like the socks, then you can buy them, bring them to the mosque and request the ustaz (or guru) to bless them. Bring it home and get it a special place in your house?? Called the altars? Then if you pray piously enough, the words on the socks will bless you and your entire family! Make all the aches in either your feet, or even other parts of your body DISAPPEAR, no??

He didn't sell the socks and tell the buyers what to do with the items!! So it's totally up to the purchasers to decide what they want or need to do with the item.

The word itself is holy. It's only the act of putting the items on the feet that can be construed as humiliation.
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If it is 10000 pairs.. ok la..

If 5 pair out of 10k++

Conlanfirm is sabotage lo.. hahahaa
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QUOTE(Adelyyne @ Mar 20 2024, 09:45 PM)
Speaking of instructions?? Are there instructions that came together with the said socks? I strongly doubt do.

(Instructions such as: put on the left sock first then the right side. Or: wear two socks (or more) on both feet, for maximum comfort and safety??? Or: roll up the right sock first and insert the toes inside. Slowly unroll the sock on the right foot. Repeat on the other foot.)

SO.

Where's the insult? WHAT HUMILIATION? Where's the proof that he has any intention to insult or humiliate anyone??

If you like the socks, then you can buy them, bring them to the mosque and request the ustaz (or guru) to bless them. Bring it home and get it a special place in your house?? Called the altars? Then if you pray piously enough, the words on the socks will bless you and your entire family! Make all the aches in either your feet, or even other parts of your body DISAPPEAR, no??

He didn't sell the socks and tell the buyers what to do with the items!! So it's totally up to the purchasers to decide what they want or need to do with the item.

The word itself is holy. It's only the act of putting the items on the feet that can be construed as humiliation.
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Are you sure you replied to the right person. I looked at my response many times because of your reply and i think I didn’t mention “instructions”

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QUOTE(insan_kamil @ Mar 20 2024, 09:58 PM)
Are you sure you replied to the right person. I looked at my response many times because of your reply and i think I didn’t mention “instructions”
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5446540/

Whoever wants to print the face of Buddha (or Jesus) on a carpet and step on it??

Actually I don't feel that it's a big thing, be it they are only trying to clean their feet, or trying to insult or humiliate anyone or another religion?? (If we refused to acknowledge them who want to humiliate or insult us, the insult AND humiliation will 101% return to the sender.)

Similarly, I feel that even printing such images on underwear and then try to sell it to me (together with the instructions to wear it on my head as some kinda headgear). I also don't see why I or anyone for that matter, should feel the NEED to feel insulted?

I will take these actions: either refuse to buy.

Or even if I buy them, I wouldn't put it on my head la. Simple AND straightforward!

QUOTE(ry8128 @ Mar 20 2024, 07:02 PM)
The world does not revolve around you la. Just because u are ok with it doesn’t means everyone is ok with it. It’s like saying since India is a country where the men think it’s ok to rape and sexually assault women, so let’s go for rape rampage here, because it’s ok.

Whether you are a religious or not religious person, it IS a big and sensitive thing. That’s where common sense comes into play and separate normal person and idiots. Anyone who think otherwise should just knock their head on the door.
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First and foremost, which section of what religious scriptures?? Is it stated ANYWHERE that printing sensitive stuff on socks is evidence of insensitivity? Or of disrespect?

I tell you what can constitute an insult: if some words were printed on underwear 🩳🩲🩲 and the seller gave you instructions to wear it on your head as some kinda headgear?? Ok, he might be trying to insult or humiliate you la. But of course it's your choice to wanna listen to him or not, no??

Some people claim that wearing the socks is an insult?? WHY. Why should anyone be so easy to insult and/or excitable? Because of the much more superior or supportive intelligence of the creators, izit??

Secondly, the words could be "ALL - ah", "all AH", "all ah", "ALL AH" or "AI lah" (AI = Artificial Intelligence lah) just that the printer got the punctuation and big vs small letters confused?? Please prove my hypothesis wrong first before you get worked up and hurl accusations.

Thirdly the KK Mart boss has already issued an apology for this oversight?? And also detailed steps in his company's SOPs to avoid this kinda mistake in future, no? What more do you want? Set the shop on fire??

Fourthly, the boss of Dr. A is the president of UMNO, no?? Why is the Youth Chief ignoring his bosses' advice so blatantly? What exactly is this fact saying about UMNO or the Muslim community?

Fifth fact: is this Dr. A more powderful than both his bosses, Jakim and the royal families such as the Sultan of Selangor or Ah Gong? I think everyone can tell that he's only trying to 捞取廉价的政治资本 from this fiasco??

Sixth fact: the police have already received the reports from some people of the Muslim community?? Give the police time to investigate and determine what action to take la!! Whole incident is macam like the KK Mart chain had done THAT on purpose?? Come on, it's their first incident of negligence! Why would they wanna do THAT on purpose?? What benefit or advantage would THAT give them? If you are hell bent on setting the chain on fire, I tell you: ALL the workers in the supermarket chain will suffer. Without any exception, EVERYONE of them.

Seventhly, I also know that it's the Ramadan month. But what kinda values is the Holy month trying to inculcate in both the followers and the observers?? To get easily insulted and excited? To stir up controversy and hatred, izit??

Last but not least, I know that this is not the first time such so-called insulting of religious creators (or creatures) happened?? Most likely it also won't be the last time.

But I would like to draw up an analogy with the road traffic conditions: it's heavy traffic on all the roads. And the Hindus (or Indians) are like riding motorbikes doing Grab food deliveries? Chinese people are driving small sedan cars trying to fetch the kids to schools and/or the old folks to the hospitals for medical reasons. While the majority of this country are like driving lorries or eight tonnes oil tankers?? But what is their driving style like? Just because your lorry is empty (or fully loaded), you think you can and should speed or ram your vehicles around?? (While certain Westerners aka white people are flying here and there in their helicopters la.)

Last of the last, if you ended up causing your Muslim, Hindu or Christian brothers to lose their jobs in the Holy month?? Is it considered acts of merits or virtues.

Allow me to share: what I feel might be more virtuous deeds for this Raya. If you can afford it, do give some socks FOC to the poor, or the school kids in poorer areas?? If you want, you can also get the factory to print your family name on the said socks “双木林”、“木子李”、“国家郭”、“耳可阿”、“享耳郭”、“草祭蔡” 或是 “阿拉丁”。

Just a bit of sharing, from my personal POV.

Speaking of instructions?? Are there instructions that come together with the said socks? I strongly doubt do.

(Instructions such as: put on the left sock first then the right side. Or: wear two socks (or more) on both feet, for maximum comfort and safety??? Or: roll up the right sock first and insert the toes inside. Slowly unroll the sock on the right foot. Repeat on the other foot.)

SO.

Where's the insult? WHAT HUMILIATION? Where's the proof that he has any intention to insult or humiliate anyone??

If you like the socks, then you can buy them, bring them to the mosque and request the ustaz (or guru) to bless them. Bring it home and get it a special place in your house?? Called the altars? Then if you pray piously enough, the words on the socks will bless you and your entire family! Make all the aches in either your feet, or even other parts of your body DISAPPEAR, no??

He didn't sell the socks and tell the buyers what to do with the items!! So it's totally up to the purchasers to decide what they want or need to do with the item.

The word itself is holy. It's only the act of putting the items on the feet that can be construed as humiliation.

This post has been edited by Adelyyne: Mar 20 2024, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(Adelyyne @ Mar 20 2024, 10:00 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5446540/

Whoever wants to print the face of Buddha (or Jesus) on a carpet and step on it??

Actually I don't feel that it's a big thing, be it they are only trying to clean their feet, or trying to insult or humiliate anyone or another religion?? (If we refused to acknowledge them who want to humiliate or insult us, the insult AND humiliation will 101% return to the sender.)

Similarly, I feel that even printing such images on underwear and then try to sell it to me (together with the instructions to wear it on my head as some kinda headgear). I also don't see why I or anyone for that matter, should feel the NEED to feel insulted?

I will take these actions: either refuse to buy.

Or even if I buy them, I wouldn't put it on my head la. Simple AND straightforward!
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/KYZjh8Z8T8cDwHWz/

First and foremost, which section of what religious scriptures?? Is it stated ANYWHERE that printing sensitive stuff on socks is evidence of insensitivity? Or of disrespect?

I tell you what can constitute an insult: if some words were printed on underwear 🩳🩲🩲 and the seller gave you instructions to wear it on your head as some kinda headgear?? Ok, he might be trying to insult or humiliate you la. But of course it's your choice to wanna listen to him or not, no??

Some people claim that wearing the socks is an insult?? WHY. Why should anyone be so easy to insult and/or excitable? Because of the much more superior or supportive intelligence of the creators, izit??

Secondly, the words could be "ALL - ah", "all AH", "all ah", "ALL AH" or "AI lah" (AI = Artificial Intelligence lah) just that the printer got the punctuation and big vs small letters confused?? Please prove my hypothesis wrong first before you get worked up and hurl accusations.

Thirdly the KK Mart boss has already issued an apology for this oversight?? And also detailed steps in his company's SOPs to avoid this kinda mistake in future, no? What more do you want? Set the shop on fire??

Fourthly, the boss of Dr. A is the president of UMNO, no?? Why is the Youth Chief ignoring his bosses' advice so blatantly? What exactly is this fact saying about UMNO or the Muslim community?

Fifth fact: is this Dr. A more powderful than both his bosses, Jakim and the royal families such as the Sultan of Selangor or Ah Gong? I think everyone can tell that he's only trying to 捞取廉价的政治资本 from this fiasco??

Sixth fact: the police have already received the reports from some people of the Muslim community?? Give the police time to investigate and determine what action to take la!! Whole incident is macam like the KK Mart chain had done THAT on purpose?? Come on, it's their first incident of negligence! Why would they wanna do THAT on purpose?? What benefit or advantage would THAT give them? If you are hell bent on setting the chain on fire, I tell you: ALL the workers in the supermarket chain will suffer. Without any exception, EVERYONE of them.

Seventhly, I also know that it's the Ramadan month. But what kinda values is the Holy month trying to inculcate in both the followers and the observers?? To get easily insulted and excited? To stir up controversy and hatred, izit??

Last but not least, I know that this is not the first time such so-called insulting of religious creators (or creatures) happened?? Most likely it also won't be the last time.

But I would like to draw up an analogy with the road traffic conditions: it's heavy traffic on all the roads. And the Hindus (or Indians) are like riding motorbikes doing Grab food deliveries? Chinese people are driving small sedan cars trying to fetch the kids to schools and/or the old folks to the hospitals for medical reasons. While the majority of this country are like driving lorries or eight tonnes oil tankers?? But what is their driving style like? Just because your lorry is empty (or fully loaded), you think you can and should speed or ram your vehicles around?? (While certain Westerners aka white people are flying here and there in their helicopters la.)

Last of the last, if you ended up causing your Muslim, Hindu or Christian brothers to lose their jobs in the Holy month?? Is it considered acts of merits or virtues.

Allow me to share: what I feel might be more virtuous deeds for this Raya. If you can afford it, do give some socks FOC to the poor, or the school kids in poorer areas?? If you want, you can also get the factory to print your family name on the said socks “双木林”、“木子李”、“国家郭”、“耳可阿”、“享耳郭”、“草祭蔡” 或是 “阿拉丁”。

Just a bit of sharing, from my personal POV.

Speaking of instructions?? Are there instructions that come together with the said socks? I strongly doubt do.

(Instructions such as: put on the left sock first then the right side. Or: wear two socks (or more) on both feet, for maximum comfort and safety??? Or: roll up the right sock first and insert the toes inside. Slowly unroll the sock on the right foot. Repeat on the other foot.)

SO.

Where's the insult? WHAT HUMILIATION? Where's the proof that he has any intention to insult or humiliate anyone??

If you like the socks, then you can buy them, bring them to the mosque and request the ustaz (or guru) to bless them. Bring it home and get it a special place in your house?? Called the altars? Then if you pray piously enough, the words on the socks will bless you and your entire family! Make all the aches in either your feet, or even other parts of your body DISAPPEAR, no??

He didn't sell the socks and tell the buyers what to do with the items!! So it's totally up to the purchasers to decide what they want or need to do with the item.

The word itself is holy. It's only the act of putting the items on the feet that can be construed as humiliation.
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Amoi, what are you trying to prove fighting fire with fire ni?

Go, chill with a glass of cold Oolong tea. Your fridge got stock?
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QUOTE(Adelyyne @ Mar 20 2024, 10:00 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5446540/

Whoever wants to print the face of Buddha (or Jesus) on a carpet and step on it??

Actually I don't feel that it's a big thing, be it they are only trying to clean their feet, or trying to insult or humiliate anyone or another religion?? (If we refused to acknowledge them who want to humiliate or insult us, the insult AND humiliation will 101% return to the sender.)

Similarly, I feel that even printing such images on underwear and then try to sell it to me (together with the instructions to wear it on my head as some kinda headgear). I also don't see why I or anyone for that matter, should feel the NEED to feel insulted?

I will take these actions: either refuse to buy.

Or even if I buy them, I wouldn't put it on my head la. Simple AND straightforward!
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/KYZjh8Z8T8cDwHWz/

First and foremost, which section of what religious scriptures?? Is it stated ANYWHERE that printing sensitive stuff on socks is evidence of insensitivity? Or of disrespect?

I tell you what can constitute an insult: if some words were printed on underwear 🩳🩲🩲 and the seller gave you instructions to wear it on your head as some kinda headgear?? Ok, he might be trying to insult or humiliate you la. But of course it's your choice to wanna listen to him or not, no??

Some people claim that wearing the socks is an insult?? WHY. Why should anyone be so easy to insult and/or excitable? Because of the much more superior or supportive intelligence of the creators, izit??

Secondly, the words could be "ALL - ah", "all AH", "all ah", "ALL AH" or "AI lah" (AI = Artificial Intelligence lah) just that the printer got the punctuation and big vs small letters confused?? Please prove my hypothesis wrong first before you get worked up and hurl accusations.

Thirdly the KK Mart boss has already issued an apology for this oversight?? And also detailed steps in his company's SOPs to avoid this kinda mistake in future, no? What more do you want? Set the shop on fire??

Fourthly, the boss of Dr. A is the president of UMNO, no?? Why is the Youth Chief ignoring his bosses' advice so blatantly? What exactly is this fact saying about UMNO or the Muslim community?

Fifth fact: is this Dr. A more powderful than both his bosses, Jakim and the royal families such as the Sultan of Selangor or Ah Gong? I think everyone can tell that he's only trying to 捞取廉价的政治资本 from this fiasco??

Sixth fact: the police have already received the reports from some people of the Muslim community?? Give the police time to investigate and determine what action to take la!! Whole incident is macam like the KK Mart chain had done THAT on purpose?? Come on, it's their first incident of negligence! Why would they wanna do THAT on purpose?? What benefit or advantage would THAT give them? If you are hell bent on setting the chain on fire, I tell you: ALL the workers in the supermarket chain will suffer. Without any exception, EVERYONE of them.

Seventhly, I also know that it's the Ramadan month. But what kinda values is the Holy month trying to inculcate in both the followers and the observers?? To get easily insulted and excited? To stir up controversy and hatred, izit??

Last but not least, I know that this is not the first time such so-called insulting of religious creators (or creatures) happened?? Most likely it also won't be the last time.

But I would like to draw up an analogy with the road traffic conditions: it's heavy traffic on all the roads. And the Hindus (or Indians) are like riding motorbikes doing Grab food deliveries? Chinese people are driving small sedan cars trying to fetch the kids to schools and/or the old folks to the hospitals for medical reasons. While the majority of this country are like driving lorries or eight tonnes oil tankers?? But what is their driving style like? Just because your lorry is empty (or fully loaded), you think you can and should speed or ram your vehicles around?? (While certain Westerners aka white people are flying here and there in their helicopters la.)

Last of the last, if you ended up causing your Muslim, Hindu or Christian brothers to lose their jobs in the Holy month?? Is it considered acts of merits or virtues.

Allow me to share: what I feel might be more virtuous deeds for this Raya. If you can afford it, do give some socks FOC to the poor, or the school kids in poorer areas?? If you want, you can also get the factory to print your family name on the said socks “双木林”、“木子李”、“国家郭”、“耳可阿”、“享耳郭”、“草祭蔡” 或是 “阿拉丁”。

Just a bit of sharing, from my personal POV.

Speaking of instructions?? Are there instructions that come together with the said socks? I strongly doubt do.

(Instructions such as: put on the left sock first then the right side. Or: wear two socks (or more) on both feet, for maximum comfort and safety??? Or: roll up the right sock first and insert the toes inside. Slowly unroll the sock on the right foot. Repeat on the other foot.)

SO.

Where's the insult? WHAT HUMILIATION? Where's the proof that he has any intention to insult or humiliate anyone??

If you like the socks, then you can buy them, bring them to the mosque and request the ustaz (or guru) to bless them. Bring it home and get it a special place in your house?? Called the altars? Then if you pray piously enough, the words on the socks will bless you and your entire family! Make all the aches in either your feet, or even other parts of your body DISAPPEAR, no??

He didn't sell the socks and tell the buyers what to do with the items!! So it's totally up to the purchasers to decide what they want or need to do with the item.

The word itself is holy. It's only the act of putting the items on the feet that can be construed as humiliation.
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Underwear printed with Holy Quran verse also got. https://www.sinarharian.com.my/article/1363...k-ayat-al-quran
Thread about it yesterday sudah kena deleted.

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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ Mar 20 2024, 10:05 PM)
Underwear printed with Holy Quran verse also got. https://www.sinarharian.com.my/article/1363...k-ayat-al-quran
Thread about it yesterday sudah kena deleted.
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As long as it wasn't sold together with instructions to either step on the items, clean the feet with it or put it on the head, or something stupid like that.

Actually I don't see anything wrong with THAT??

But of course they have already asked the market people to stop selling it la.
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QUOTE(Adelyyne @ Mar 20 2024, 10:00 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5446540/

Whoever wants to print the face of Buddha (or Jesus) on a carpet and step on it??

Actually I don't feel that it's a big thing, be it they are only trying to clean their feet, or trying to insult or humiliate anyone or another religion?? (If we refused to acknowledge them who want to humiliate or insult us, the insult AND humiliation will 101% return to the sender.)

Similarly, I feel that even printing such images on underwear and then try to sell it to me (together with the instructions to wear it on my head as some kinda headgear). I also don't see why I or anyone for that matter, should feel the NEED to feel insulted?

I will take these actions: either refuse to buy.

Or even if I buy them, I wouldn't put it on my head la. Simple AND straightforward!
Personally, i dont care. Hey whatever you do, thats on you. But you need to remember like RY said, this is a common sense thing. You know how people here are, you should plan and manoeuvre thereabouts.

They made a mistake. Lets not try to justify that mistake. They’ve apologised hence their admission. That should be it. But dont blame people if they wish to boycott as that is their choice. If this stunt was pulled in india, the ramifications would be far greater than the civil outcom here. I Dont blame the masses for feeling hurt and aggrieved.

I dont care about the issue and not slighted even an iota but I understand why the aftershocks are the way they are.
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Mar 20 2024, 10:05 PM)
Amoi, what are you trying to prove fighting fire with fire ni?

Go, chill with a glass of cold Oolong tea. Your fridge got stock?
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 20 2024, 06:21 PM)
Last year KK was on an expansion spree and there were talks about taking the company public. Obviously the company was doing well enough.

Now everybody knows KK is owned by a Chinese, even if nobody really cared before in the past. Imagine after this hoohah causing financial problems, and last last he has to shop around for a white knight to buy the company out...

Since the issue was RnR related, the only ones that can buy and 'rehabilitate' the image would most likely be a Malay consortium.
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Gunpoint robbery??

Aka robbery in broad daylight.
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Probably someone wanted to buy into KK mart but was rejected so make this big fuss
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Mar 20 2024, 08:59 PM)
actually i heard from the grapevine KK boss is actually very close to PN ppl. Alot of funding channeled to PN. So if really the case, sabotage by umno now has a clear motive. Also PN ppl not even a sound is very unnatural.  whistling.gif
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