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post Jan 19 2024, 10:05 AM, updated 2y ago

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The financial stretch continues to keep Malaysians living in major cities from realising their dreams of home ownership.

Among the younger generation, their major concerns are the property prices that are now multiple times more than the annual household income. It is not easy for those with no fixed income or low salaries to secure a home loan.

While money issues are already weighing heavily on people’s minds, the younger generation’s inability to afford a home is exacerbated with the fact that they are buckling under the skyrocketing cost of living.

Until today, housing affordability remains a conundrum in Malaysia despite the various initiatives taken by the government, among others, through the National Affordable Housing Policy. The initiative aims to enable the housing affordability issue in the country to be tackled in a holistic way.

In fact, millennials, aged between 25-40 and those of up to 45, are delaying the purchase of their first home. What’s keeping them from buying homes at the rate of previous generations?

According to a lecturer at the Urban and Regional Planning, Security and Community Development Department of Social and Development Sciences, Faculty of Human Ecology, Universiti Putra Malaysia (UPM), Dr Mohammad Mujaheed Hassan, a study has shown that other factors also contributed to the issue.

Citing a study entitled ‘The Variations In Preferences of The Young Generation In Klang Valley Towards Housing Property Demand’ conducted by UPM in mid-2022, Mohammad Mujaheed, who is also involved in the research said, today’s younger generation has high financial commitments.

A total of 2,523 respondents aged 25 to 45 in Kuala Lumpur, Selangor and Putrajaya with individual monthly income of RM4,360 to RM9,620 were interviewed in the study aimed at identifying this group’s financial level, in terms of their ability to save, invest as well as their financial liabilities.

He said that out of the total, 1,697 respondents or 67.3 per cent were committed to monthly car instalments of between RM800 and RM1,200.

“For them, owning a car is a benchmark of their success in life. Ironically, some of them take the public transport to work and leave their car at home,” he told Bernama recently.

Besides that, Mohammad Mujaheed said the study also shows that 1,833 respondents or 72.7 per cent have credit card commitments with at least two banks.

“Having a credit card is a ‘responsibility’ for the younger generation as an alternative for them to have regular access to credit and as cash advance.

“The study also reveals that 843 (33.4 per cent) of respondents were renting with monthly rental of RM500 to RM1,200,” he said, adding that 73.9 per cent of the respondents had no disposal income for savings or investment.

Elaborating on the issue, Mohammad Mujaheed said based on the study, the younger generation prefers to rent due to several factors, although they can afford to buy their own home based on the monthly rentals they paid for.

“They argue that the location of the house that they can pay for is far from their workplace, on top of other payments such as tax assessments, maintenance fees, etc that will further add to their financial burden.

“By renting, they only have to fork out for their rent and utility bills. They said that their rented house is only for them to rest and sleep at night. Much of the time is spent outside their house and at work,” he added.

At the same time, some of these millennials are tied to personal loans, among others for their wedding, while others are caught in the credit card debt trap.

This situation is not surprising as the Credit Counselling and Debt Management Agency has earlier highlighted that the majority of youth who were declared bankrupt in the country was due to credit card debts.

According to Mohammad Mujaheed, the tendency for the younger people to give other priorities rather than home ownership has caused many to be saddled with longstanding debts, hence preventing them from buying a house despite getting older.

“The situation is rather serious and has largely contributed to cases of being blacklisted by financial agencies, living in debt, bankrupt and perhaps problems such as stress, borrowing from ‘along’, etc,” he said.

He said while it is not wrong for the younger generation to own a car or apply for personal loan, they should give priority to home ownership as it is an asset compared to a vehicle which is a liability as it depreciates in value each year.

“A house is an asset with its value appreciating every year. While it is not wrong to rent, but on hindsight, through monthly rentals, it seems that we are ‘helping’ the owner to settle his housing loan repayment,” he argued.

He said if the problem persists, this group will continue to delay the purchase of their home to meet other needs, noting that it is feared that they will not be able to own their own house in the future given the consistent upward trajectory in residential property prices.

“The younger generation should no longer adopt a wait-and-see approach. The longer they wait, the higher the prices of houses given that the growth of household income is not at par with the growth in property or house prices,” he said, adding that what’s worrying, this group will end up as ‘homeless’ when they reach their golden age.

Without ruling out the possibility that this group would ‘share’ a home with their parents or other family members, Mohammad Mujaheed said that this could only be realised if their parents have their own house.

“Otherwise, a family will be faced with the possibility of being homeless or continue to rent permanently (from one generation to another) as they do not own any property,” he stressed.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...of-reach/113296
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post Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM

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You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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post Jan 19 2024, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Lol true that, my father in law itself has 7.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Or better, tax them kau kau, and then give back as subsidy for first time buyers.
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post Jan 19 2024, 10:11 AM

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At least better than sg .. at least most of us can still afford a house .. according to kexpert
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Got me thinking though, I don't think I see much of gov. incentives / home ownership campaign / affordable housing program under Madani. Not the focus anymore because of supply overhang & subsale depreciation?
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post Jan 19 2024, 10:13 AM

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Finally realised the impossible huh?
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post Jan 19 2024, 10:13 AM

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Buy shoplot, rent condo.


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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Limit max to 2 houses is okay already.

But boomers buy lot of houses nowadays ARE to provide for their children ahead in future though.
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post Jan 19 2024, 10:13 AM

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Send thoe house hoarders to old folks home
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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as always... salah house buyers, not developers, not cement/steel/sand makers.

You go check how much steel/ sand price first. Those are unchecked inflation.

You cant even build a landed double storey house now with 200K even you are given land for free.

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QUOTE(HikayatSalju @ Jan 19 2024, 10:05 AM)
A total of 2,523 respondents aged 25 to 45 in Kuala Lumpur, Selangor and Putrajaya with individual monthly income of RM4,360 to RM9,620 were interviewed in the study aimed at identifying this group’s financial level, in terms of their ability to save, invest as well as their financial liabilities.

He said that out of the total, 1,697 respondents or 67.3 per cent were committed to monthly car instalments of between RM800 and RM1,200.

“For them, owning a car is a benchmark of their success in life. Ironically, some of them take the public transport to work and leave their car at home,” he told Bernama recently.
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Gaji 4k car 800. Genius.

Meanwhile aku my motor 4k sekali bayar and my house 800+ je monthly.
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QUOTE(krishtiano86 @ Jan 19 2024, 10:09 AM)
Lol true that, my father in law itself has 7.
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I know of a rich auntie, pass down by her parents of course.

18 property at town area where all she need is just collect rent every month and she is set for life.


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post Jan 19 2024, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(emino @ Jan 19 2024, 10:14 AM)
Gaji 4k car 800. Genius.

Meanwhile aku my motor 4k sekali bayar and my house 800+ je monthly.
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gaya itu penting. lol
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QUOTE(Jigoku @ Jan 19 2024, 10:14 AM)
I know of a rich auntie, pass down by her parents of course.

18 property at town area where all she need is just collect rent every month and she is set for life.
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I'm very sure she doesn't declare all this income. LHDN weak in this area.
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post Jan 19 2024, 10:19 AM

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Should impose heavy tax for people that own multiple properties.
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“The younger generation should no longer adopt a wait-and-see approach. The longer they wait, the higher the prices of houses given that the growth of household income is not at par with the growth in property or house prices,” he said, adding that what’s worrying, this group will end up as ‘homeless’ when they reach their golden age.


This Dr makes it sound like it is so easy for most millennial to buy overpriced house nowadays

Life is not only about getting a house, paying half or most of your monthly net income for over 35 years, and just die

Unless it is your dream house to settle down and you are really ready to commit, don't buy and just rent.

Don't listen to these boomer "experts" and get pressured into buying a property. They will never see things from millennials' POV because they are already established.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Or force everyone to put at least 50% down payment.
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Jan 19 2024, 10:10 AM)
Or better, tax them kau kau, and then give back as subsidy for first time buyers.
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jan 19 2024, 10:19 AM)
Should impose heavy tax for people that own multiple properties.
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There is always some rich fag who can pay the tax.

Just put a hard limit on property ownership. There is no reason someone should be able to own more than certain amount of property.

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No worry developer will chop down 1000sqf apartment to become 2x500sqf studio and sell for $400k many millennial who has no plan to have children will BBB UUU
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jan 19 2024, 10:20 AM)
There is always some rich fag who can pay the tax.

Just put a hard limit on property ownership. There is no reason someone should be able to own more than certain amount of property.
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Do both heavy tax and hard limit.
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jan 19 2024, 10:20 AM)
There is always some rich fag who can pay the tax.

Just put a hard limit on property ownership. There is no reason someone should be able to own more than certain amount of property.
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And if they can pay, why not?
Taxing them and then passing it back as subsidies to first time buyers does both in discouraging hoarding and encouraging first time ownership.
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The solution is to build multi storey carpark, but with a small studio attached to every carpark space. Can run basic plumbing for a toilet, but no shower and kitchen. Use communal bathrooms, can be chargeable per use basis or for time use basis. No cooking, either eat out or tapau.
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post Jan 19 2024, 10:26 AM

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Renting good

No need pay bank interest, no need pay maintenance fee, no need pay quit rent assessment and fire insurance.

Spoil ad owner replace item

And not saying the rental is cheaper than paying the loan
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jan 19 2024, 10:20 AM)
Just put a hard limit on property ownership. There is no reason someone should be able to own more than certain amount of property.
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This. I don't know why it seems all gomen doesn't matter from which party cannot do this.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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most boomers already 60 and above, if they can buy, means they have the financial power, most also buy for their charsiew kids to goyang tolor and collect rental, if you are one of the charsiew then nothing to blame LOL

a lot of boomers I know still staying in flat, doing odd jobs


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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Jan 19 2024, 10:10 AM)
Or better, tax them kau kau, and then give back as subsidy for first time buyers.
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jan 19 2024, 10:19 AM)
Should impose heavy tax for people that own multiple properties.
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You impose heavy tax, they will directly channel those cost to renters.

It will create even more problems with higher rent on horizon, and those house owners will gladly tell them it is government fault for such burden.

QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 19 2024, 10:14 AM)
as always... salah house buyers, not developers, not cement/steel/sand makers.

You go check how much steel/ sand price first. Those are unchecked inflation.

You cant even build a landed double storey house now with 200K even you are given land for free.
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Yeah, the usual talking points since 1997, rofl. XD


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That's why don't breed so much. Then you can help out your children to own some home.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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r u a commie????

why u against free market?
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:27 AM)
You impose heavy tax, they will directly channel those cost to renters.

It will create even more problems with higher rent on horizon, and those house owners will gladly tell them it is government fault for such burden.
Yeah, the usual talking points since 1997, rofl. XD
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the point I am trying to make is those parties ie. developer,cement,sand,steel maker are responsible for high housing price.

you can go try to build your house at cost price, you will find yourself these guys are the ones earning biggest bucks in the entire food chain.

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QUOTE(damonlbs @ Jan 19 2024, 10:29 AM)
r u a commie????

why u against free market?
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Not a commie, it is a simple way to fix greedy people who want easy money by hogging all properties.

Did I step on someone's toe? Hahaha.
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QUOTE(Johannlo @ Jan 19 2024, 10:13 AM)
Buy shoplot, rent condo.
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This one is expert.

Buying place to stay at young age is a total waste. The property becomes a liability instead of asset.

Better buy a shoplot which can generate recurrent income. Rent anywhere that is convenient and closer to work, then change house when work change. Be flexible and be like water.

If possible, do not buy an expensive condo, ie more than 500k ones just for investment or rental purposes.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:27 AM)
You impose heavy tax, they will directly channel those cost to renters.

It will create even more problems with higher rent on horizon, and those house owners will gladly tell them it is government fault for such burden.
Yeah, the usual talking points since 1997, rofl. XD
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Tax hoarders and subsidize first buyers enough so mortgage is cheaper than rent

Can increase cukai pintu too. The more you rent it out, the more you're taxed.

Can also add tax on rentals too to discourage renting. Those that can afford upscaled rental units for sure have no problem dealing with it. And for a certain rental bracket, allows tax refund.

This way it will be too costly to hold on to excess properties. Rented out or not.

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Jan 19 2024, 10:32 AM)
This one is expert.

Buying place to stay at young age is a total waste. The property becomes a liability instead of asset.

Better buy a shoplot which can generate recurrent income. Rent anywhere that is convenient and closer to work, then change house when work change. Be flexible and be like water.

If possible, do not buy an expensive condo, ie more than 500k ones just for investment or rental purposes.
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1 unit of shop these days is 2million easily. And it is not like developer will build them anymore. They just spam building condo kao kao because it earn a lot more.

Good luck buying shoplot

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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Opps, time to sell nearly all my properties sweat.gif
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Those who own lots of property is because the property fall from the sky one, look up more n u might catch one.
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some of them take the public transport to work and leave their car at home


Am I the only one think this part is a good direction? Of course not the part buy car as successful benchmark. sweat.gif
Utilise public transport if able to, and car use for trips / weekend / place that hardly accessible / emergency, usually trip/weekend will be car pool instead of 1 people in a car.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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FYI
As of end 2023 we have 27,000 over-hang units, completed and ready for use, but remain unsold for nine months after its launch date.
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QUOTE(krishtiano86 @ Jan 19 2024, 10:17 AM)
I'm very sure she doesn't declare all this income. LHDN weak in this area.
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my uncle got property worth hundreds of million

but still can get the bantuan cash topkek
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No reason to buy house when my dad already buy one for me
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Actually from last time they should have implemented that


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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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not just this, but more on the developers getting more greedy + profit minded

nowadays fucking studio <500sf already RM1k per sf. go eat shit and die la
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Force 50% down payment + maximum 15 years loan. See will crash or not.
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Not a commie, it is a simple way to fix greedy people who want easy money by hogging all properties.

Did I step on someone's toe? Hahaha.
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Easy?

If so easy why cant everyone own many properties?


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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 19 2024, 10:31 AM)
the point I am trying to make is those parties ie. developer,cement,sand,steel maker are responsible for high housing price.

you can go try to build your house at cost price, you will find yourself these guys are the ones earning biggest bucks in the entire food chain.
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Land cost increase much more than the building materials or labor. Look at the psf price of land compared to before and compare the increase. Ofc I’m ltalking about high house prices areas like kv and Penang.

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In short, that's the lifestyle. No wrong.

1)car
2)credit card
3)rent, why buy
4)travel
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QUOTE(likefunyouare @ Jan 19 2024, 10:13 AM)
Send thoe house hoarders to old folks home
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house hoarders kena dementia, all properties pass down to their kids
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Jan 19 2024, 10:13 AM)
Limit max to 2 houses is okay already.

But boomers buy lot of houses nowadays ARE to provide for their children ahead in future though.
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Why max 2? Because you have 2?

Should limit to one as you only need one house.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Jeles unker work hard? Support family, send kids to univ, buy a few houses then lazy millennials bitch pulak. Less time on socmed, holidays, concerts and bullshit lattes, see how much you can save. Condos, apt these days no need dep to own, just keep monthly payments cukup, buy affordable cars not civics or bmws.


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If studio apartment didn't costs over RM100k, I'd buy one by now...
Farking stupid shit costs almost RM200k
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jan 19 2024, 10:52 AM)
Why max 2? Because you have 2?

Should limit to one as you only need one house.
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You forget he is from the group that legally can have four wives. Need separate households to keep the peace
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QUOTE(likefunyouare @ Jan 19 2024, 10:49 AM)
Easy?

If so easy why cant everyone own many properties?
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because it is limited in quantity, that's why it is a hot commodity.

You can't just simply buy a house like buying a car, car is mobile.
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QUOTE(keybearer @ Jan 19 2024, 10:12 AM)
Got me thinking though, I don't think I see much of gov. incentives / home ownership campaign / affordable housing program under Madani. Not the focus anymore because of supply overhang & subsale depreciation?
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house buyers need to fix their low income 1st, save a alot 1st.... no use if they push out all these initiatives but their income still do not qualify for it
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Bolehland millennials are heading into Korea/japan, seems to accept fate they work til die also cannot afford a prop anymore…hence , f it, spend first before mati….lolx
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Jan 19 2024, 10:50 AM)
Land cost increase much more than the building materials or labor. Look at the psf price of land compared to before and compare the increase. Ofc I’m ltalking about high house prices areas like kv and Penang.

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We cannot manufacture land. This is why it will get even more expensive than building material.

So I have not see a system that punish wasteful use of land implemented yet.

our cukai tanah 10 units of bungalow still much cheaper than entire block of condo that use the same amount of land area.


IMO, cukai tanah should have been only base on land area.

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But developers keep launching new dev with unattainable prices
Fresh grad after deducting basic necessity expenses cant even save much money..even buying PPR need to save money for downpayment and lawyer fees

So how?
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actually how hard is it to afford a rm400-500k apartment
monthly just ~rm2.3k can split among 2 person


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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Like strike eureka la, so far owning 11 properties in kl and every month just collect rent as passive income while he lepak at port cheong vietmoi everyday.

This kind of ppl make us cant afford a house ranting.gif
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While at setting the max property one can have, set max ceiling salary to 2k per month as well la rclxm9.gif

Those high paying job hording all the ringgit laugh.gif
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How bout Inheritance Tax?
Why aren't we doing that ya?
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Why buy properties when not going to have kids.

Nobody to inherit.

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Why max 2? Because you have 2?

Should limit to one as you only need one house.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Jan 19 2024, 10:56 AM)
You forget he is from the group that legally can have four wives. Need separate households to keep the peace
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Why buy properties when not going to have kids.

Nobody to inherit.

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So you can sell it off and get more money in 10 years time.. provided if Malaysia's economy manage to get out of this shithole situation right now
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QUOTE(smokey @ Jan 19 2024, 11:01 AM)
But developers keep launching new  dev with unattainable prices
Fresh grad after deducting basic necessity expenses cant even save much money..even buying PPR need to save money for downpayment and lawyer fees

So how?
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you see in those first world western countries,

even Switzerland has less than 50% home ownership, they too have troubles accumulating DP and loan eligibility; while US has lots of homeless street crawlers

inb4 Sean Tan aka iHerng says Malaysia is the only country in the world that has zero DP with cashback, one can buy 2 props with 90% loan

apa lagi cino mau
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This. I don't know why it seems all gomen doesn't matter from which party cannot do this.
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Because all the politicians and the people inside government are the one who owns multiple property. Where will they limit their own property one.

B40 and M40 can go mampus
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"A house is an asset with its value appreciating every year."

This statement is so wrong.
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How bout Inheritance Tax?
Why aren't we doing that ya?
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you mean I work my ass so hard for my whole life, just so my kids got better life

you come in tell me to share my wealth even tho I already pay tax?

F of man, that is evil even M40 will against this policy.

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good

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when I was late 20s, my dream of buying a home shattered when I read a lot about inflation. With a yearly 4-5% increase, the property price will also increase.

So I quit my job and worked hard on projects and now have my own business. Some of my staff who I coached also can afford a house now in their early 30s.

is just how u want to fight for it. blaming inflation, and spending too much on lifestyle is not always the solution. period.
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How bout Inheritance Tax?
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ur hardwork sudah kena INCOME TAX

so ur saving from ur hardwork kena tax lagi? laugh.gif
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When boomers hog all the properties in hope of making a profit, what they’re essentially doing is taking money from the future generations. They believe future generation will die die need a property.

Now millennials don’t want to subject their children to the same fate as them, thus refuse to raise a family and the next generations which suppose to support the boomer property price.
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Kecian, already strawberry snowflake now no home ownership summore.
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Jan 19 2024, 10:46 AM)
No reason to buy house when my dad already buy one for me
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Most logical solution.

It is time for gov to rethink space as a limited resource too.

Food, water, space is part of the future security.

Do the Singapore HDB style.
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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Jan 19 2024, 11:19 AM)
When boomers hog all the properties in hope of making a profit, what they’re essentially doing is taking money from the future generations. They believe future generation will die die need a property.

Now millennials don’t want to subject their children to the same fate as them, thus refuse to raise a family and the next generations which suppose to support the boomer property price.
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Means human ending soon? 😄

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QUOTE(emino @ Jan 19 2024, 10:14 AM)
Gaji 4k car 800. Genius.

Meanwhile aku my motor 4k sekali bayar and my house 800+ je monthly.
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you mean I work my ass so hard for my whole life, just so my kids got better life

you come in tell me to share my wealth even tho I already pay tax?

F of man, that is evil even M40 will against this policy.
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US and Aussie is practicing this.

but, u can turn the property into trust, do some paper work, and pass to kids after number of years. 0 tax.

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ur hardwork sudah kena INCOME TAX

so ur saving from ur hardwork kena tax lagi?  laugh.gif
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Inheritance tax isn't you getting tax.

It is your son/daughter getting taxed.

Because you already dead when inheritance tax happens.
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When boomers hog all the properties in hope of making a profit, what they’re essentially doing is taking money from the future generations. They believe future generation will die die need a property.

Now millennials don’t want to subject their children to the same fate as them, thus refuse to raise a family and the next generations which suppose to support the boomer property price.
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jan 19 2024, 11:18 AM)
ur hardwork sudah kena INCOME TAX

so ur saving from ur hardwork kena tax lagi?  laugh.gif
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Inheritance tax isnt a tax on you, its a tax on whoever receives the inheritance - its a tax on their income.
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my uncle got property worth hundreds of million

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You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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True story. My aunt nearing her 70's still buying one property per year these days. Each one priced at >1 mil. Dunno how many she owns now. Too much cash dunno where to put.
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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Jan 19 2024, 11:19 AM)
When boomers hog all the properties in hope of making a profit, what they’re essentially doing is taking money from the future generations. They believe future generation will die die need a property.

Now millennials don’t want to subject their children to the same fate as them, thus refuse to raise a family and the next generations which suppose to support the boomer property price.
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Boomers - I am not greedy I just want to pass down my 20 properties to next generation
Next generation aka millennials - Daddy akan kasi I rather spend my $$$ on Starbuck or Iphone or travel.
Boomers - Millennials are strawberry just want YOLO and tongkat ranting.gif

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people don't understand you're not meant to be able to buy a house right after starting work

and to afford a house you need to sacrifice
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Boomers - I am not greedy I just want to pass down my 20 properties to next generation
Next generation aka millennials - Daddy akan kasi I rather spend my $$$ on Starbuck or Iphone or travel.
Boomers - Millennials are strawberry just want YOLO and tongkat  ranting.gif
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Daddy : I buy my house because I want give my next gen
Millennial : okay then I no need buy house dy.
Daddy : but but but…..
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buying new ipong more important than buying a house
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Inheritance tax isn't you getting tax.

It is your son/daughter getting taxed.

Because you already dead when inheritance tax happens.
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yala...the money that my son get from me
(my money) still kena tax lor

imagine i hard work earn rm1k
potong income said ...said rm100

900

so the 900 kena lagi Inheritance tax
said rm100

left 800 aje laugh.gif laugh.gif
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most sabahan already gave up on this and just wait for inheritance
there's no way their income can even get the loan approved
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Jan 19 2024, 11:22 AM)
Inheritance tax isnt a tax on you, its a tax on whoever receives the inheritance - its a tax on their income.
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but the inheriance MONEY already kena tax from income tax what

said ur salary AFTER income tax is 800.
so if u pass the 800 to your son..

the rm800 kena tax pulokkkk

got it?
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man I've been house hunting for the past year, it's not just the price that is the issue, it's the quality too. Some housing developments I ask the neighboring properties always got issue that was supposed to be basic and easily done right, like electrical wiring not up to standard, or sewer drain into indah water sewage having negative grade and end up sewage pooling because can't drain properly.
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if they can save, still okay la.
myself got my house late and im glad doing so. house loan settle in around 7 years.

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jan 19 2024, 11:27 AM)
yala...the money that my son get from me
(my money) still kena tax lor

imagine i hard work earn rm1k
potong income said ...said rm100

900

so the 900 kena lagi Inheritance tax
said rm100

left 800 aje  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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You pay income tax already.

When you buy thing, you need to pay SST/GST again? Why? Same thing je la

You support GST right?
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jan 19 2024, 11:22 AM)
Inheritance tax isn't you getting tax.

It is your son/daughter getting taxed.

Because you already dead when inheritance tax happens.
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actually there is a way to get over inheritance tax
but people have to overcome that asian mentality or mindset 1st
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should limit control of residential ownership.
If commercial units can give no limit.
in Islam, home property + food expenses are excluded from zakat.
But malaysia islam goverment no practice.
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jan 19 2024, 11:30 AM)
You pay income tax already.

When you buy thing, you need to pay SST/GST again? Why? Same thing je la

You support GST right?
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so if i use the 800 to buy thing thing (800 is AFTER INCOME TAX),
then buy thing kena SST (tax again).

pass the thing to my son (kena inheritance tax) AGAIN..

so total 3 tax kena laugh.gif
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Just say Millenials are aiming for something above what they could afford.

Affordable housing around KV masih plenty. But these nak condo with lavish facilities, or nak landed with G&G.


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Boomers - I am not greedy I just want to pass down my 20 properties to next generation
Next generation aka millennials - Daddy akan kasi I rather spend my $$$ on Starbuck or Iphone or travel.
Boomers - Millennials are strawberry just want YOLO and tongkat  ranting.gif
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Daddy kasi syndrome alrdy hitting Gen Y group liao lo...

ppl in their mid 30s also seeking daddikasi now for housing ...
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ukur baju di badan sendiri... plenty of subsales out there, owners throwing price if you know where to look lol
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jan 19 2024, 11:32 AM)
so if i use the 800 to buy thing thing (800 is AFTER INCOME TAX),
then buy thing kena SST (tax again).

pass the thing to my son (kena inheritance tax) AGAIN..

so total 3 tax kena  laugh.gif
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not so correct calculation in terms of impact....

is u pay tax and pay house for 35 years.. for 1m... after you ko.. the house is worth 2m...

your son, to inherit that house... needs to pay 5% inheritance tax... in cash.... 5% of 2m.. fuh..
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so if i use the 800 to buy thing thing (800 is AFTER INCOME TAX),
then buy thing kena SST (tax again).

pass the thing to my son (kena inheritance tax) AGAIN..

so total 3 tax kena  laugh.gif
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Capital gains tax.
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Jan 19 2024, 11:38 AM)
not so correct calculation in terms of impact....

is u pay tax and pay house for 35 years.. for 1m... after you ko.. the house is worth 2m...

your son, to inherit that house... needs to pay 5% inheritance tax... in cash.... 5% of 2m.. fuh..
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u mention house kena inheritance tax

i cakap CASH la bro
cash inherit not kena for inheritance tax?
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and to afford a house you need to sacrifice
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i think youre missing the point

its more on how even they with decades of work also can barely afford a house

house price goes up faster than salary can be

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jan 19 2024, 11:32 AM)
so if i use the 800 to buy thing thing (800 is AFTER INCOME TAX),
then buy thing kena SST (tax again).

pass the thing to my son (kena inheritance tax) AGAIN..

so total 3 tax kena  laugh.gif
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The other solution is a hard limit on residential property owner.
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ur hardwork sudah kena INCOME TAX

so ur saving from ur hardwork kena tax lagi?  laugh.gif
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Takpe la... can pay tax means can make living... syukur dah...
Most of the 1st world country also got Inheritance Tax and GST kan.
Yg mampu... buat je lah
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no need do so much research and tok kok nonsense

10 years back mcd salary 1.2-1.5k

today you go and see the same position also 1.2-1.5k salary

wages stagnated and income gap widening
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i think youre missing the point

its more on how even they with decades of work also can barely afford a house

house price goes up faster than salary can be
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Problem is not house price increase but salary stagnant. House price inflation is reasonable compared to overall price inflation of other goods.
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jan 19 2024, 11:45 AM)
The other solution is a hard limit on residential property owner.
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if u limit = property will crash , meaning existing will not sell

new property will not launch cause they know price is cheap. no ppl want build
and demand is low. cause now got limit. meaning rich dont buy , poor cant buy also

so how??
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QUOTE(McDullDull @ Jan 19 2024, 11:45 AM)
Takpe la... can pay tax means can make living... syukur dah...
Most of the 1st world country also got Inheritance Tax and GST kan.
Yg mampu... buat je lah
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 19 2024, 11:43 AM)
i think youre missing the point

its more on how even they with decades of work also can barely afford a house

house price goes up faster than salary can be
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Isn’t entry home ownership is now at 250k-350k range ie the like of RUMAWIP, SAMM series?

I don't see why, if one have their priorities and expectation set right can be detered from their purchase

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Problem is not house price increase but salary stagnant. House price inflation is reasonable compared to overall price inflation of other goods.
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i dont think so le, nowadays most modern condos are already like at least 700k if mau those 1k sf kind + decent location

studio still workable but you need at least 400-500k even unless rumahwip kind

for an avg joe assuming earn 4-5k its too damn tight ed unless sacri lifestyle
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Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Unlikely because it'll affect the ruling government's vote count in the upcoming GE


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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Jan 19 2024, 11:38 AM)
not so correct calculation in terms of impact....

is u pay tax and pay house for 35 years.. for 1m... after you ko.. the house is worth 2m...

your son, to inherit that house... needs to pay 5% inheritance tax... in cash.... 5% of 2m.. fuh..
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correct people who suggest this probably never own a house b4, they are just some poor kid jealous people got house from FAMA.

imaging this

you got 3 kids, you buy 3 landed houses at cheap cheap 200K per unit 35yrs ago. Finally you die early now 6 feet under, you somehow manage to work your ass hard enough to fully paid all 3 houses. At least you thought your kids dont have to worry about house, thats was the plan.... but...if got new inheritance tax.

Your kids fresh grat baru keluar kerja, house is 2m. 5% means need to come up RM100k cash to inherit the house they are currently staying. fuuh

all 3 of them have to sell the house they are staying, then downgrade to smaller house. rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(soul78 @ Jan 19 2024, 11:33 AM)
Daddy kasi syndrome alrdy hitting Gen Y group liao lo...

ppl in their mid 30s also seeking daddikasi now for housing ...
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Sad case. But don't be surprise we have to help our kids also for downpayment in the future.
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Jan 19 2024, 11:38 AM)
not so correct calculation in terms of impact....

is u pay tax and pay house for 35 years.. for 1m... after you ko.. the house is worth 2m...

your son, to inherit that house... needs to pay 5% inheritance tax... in cash.... 5% of 2m.. fuh..
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by that time... u dah mampos so cannot feel anything dah...
your kids... gets free money... getting free 2mil or free 1.9mil... still free what... better teach them be thanful and syukur dah la.
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Isn’t entry home ownership is now at 250k-350k range ie the like of RUMAWIP, SAMM series?
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yes correct, however those are now beginning to become studio units <500sf kind

so its a good makeshift home for 2 but one will def need more space when starting up family. the inescapable cycle
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 19 2024, 11:55 AM)
i dont think so le, nowadays most modern condos are already like at least 700k if mau those 1k sf kind + decent location

studio still workable but you need at least 400-500k even unless rumahwip kind

for an avg joe assuming earn 4-5k its too damn tight ed unless sacri lifestyle
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These prices are in line with overall inflation. Like saying McDonald's menu twenty years ago how much now price how much. How can expect McDonald's menu price increase but house price cannot?
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jan 19 2024, 11:49 AM)
if u limit = property will crash , meaning existing will not sell

new property will not launch cause they know price is cheap. no ppl want build
and demand is low. cause now got limit. meaning rich dont buy , poor cant buy also

so how??
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Also if you limit the number of max purchases / increase the downpayment % / reduce tenure

property price will crash, existing owner will suffer,
the bank will suffer with all their collateral value dropping, bank rating will drop causing cost of fund to increase and bank might collapse

you see the vicious cycle here.
can't just touch one thing without affecting another.

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 19 2024, 11:57 AM)
yes correct, however those are now beginning to become studio units <500sf kind

so its a good makeshift home for 2 but one will def need more space when starting up family. the inescapable cycle
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No leh, i see most rumahwip/ samm are 700-800 sqft, definately not <500.

<500 are mostly private (free market) studio units. These are purpose build studio living and not the affordable series.

As i said in my edited post, priority and expectation must be right, to begin with.

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Finally realised the impossible huh?
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That's why now a lot of developers are making cheap condo/apartments

My side here in PJ, suddenly got so many new condos.

Government : Too many houses that are overpriced?? No problem! We'll just approve permit for more affordable condos!

In the end, those landed houses will remain stagnant or drop in value because all the millenials will go for high rise instead
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QUOTE(Unifi agent - YC @ Jan 19 2024, 10:20 AM)
This Dr makes it sound like it is so easy for most millennial to buy overpriced house nowadays

Life is not only about getting a house, paying half or most of your monthly net income for over 35 years, and just die

Unless it is your dream house to settle down and you are really ready to commit, don't buy and just rent.

Don't listen to these boomer "experts" and get pressured into buying a property. They will never see things from millennials' POV because they are already established.
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All sitting on their ivory tower, telling the world to follow their old. Fashion ways just because it worked for them

My company managers and top positions fill with these idiots. They already made the money, now just sitting up there and not giving a fuck
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QUOTE(McDullDull @ Jan 19 2024, 11:56 AM)
by that time... u dah mampos so cannot feel anything dah...
your kids... gets free money... getting free 2mil or free 1.9mil... still free what... better teach them be thanful and syukur dah la.
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The house is worth 2mil on paper; what if the parents only inherit the house and no cash. How's the kid supposed to pay the 100k cash unless selling off the house

The state should not have the right on inheritance, and we should keep it that way. We work hard for next generation, nothing wrong with that.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 19 2024, 11:55 AM)
i dont think so le, nowadays most modern condos are already like at least 700k if mau those 1k sf kind + decent location

studio still workable but you need at least 400-500k even unless rumahwip kind

for an avg joe assuming earn 4-5k its too damn tight ed unless sacri lifestyle
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I think you are skirting around the issue. Rumahwip and Samm with comfortable 700-800 ft2 are there but you die die say free market studio <500 ft2 too small too expensive, those larger enough for you beyond reach.

Why not rumahwip and Samm?

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QUOTE(HikayatSalju @ Jan 19 2024, 10:05 AM)
He said while it is not wrong for the younger generation to own a car or apply for personal loan, they should give priority to home ownership as it is an asset compared to a vehicle which is a liability as it depreciates in value each year.

“A house is an asset with its value appreciating every year. While it is not wrong to rent, but on hindsight, through monthly rentals, it seems that we are ‘helping’ the owner to settle his housing loan repayment,” he argued.
The mindset of thinking house as an asset is the exact reason of house price skyrocketing every year, making youth getting more and more impossible to afford one
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So conclusion is...
Lucky Malaysian millennials yg ada dedikasi... syukur je and thanks boomer daddi.
Poor Malaysian millennials just give up on home ownership la...
dun blame boomer gen for causing property price increase... boomer also just thinking wanna pass to their millenial kids je.
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simple solution, limit house ownership in city/state per person to max 2 house within certain distance house cannot own by same person more than 1 house
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jan 19 2024, 12:00 PM)
No leh, i see most rumahwip/ samm are 700-800 sqft, definately not <500.

<500 are mostly private (free market) studio units. These are purpose build studio living and not the affordable series.

As i said in my edited post, priority and expectation must be right, to begin with.
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yes then obviously just go for those but location will come into play next

if one doesnt have a car/motor already location is extremely important

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Jan 19 2024, 12:00 PM)
That's why now a lot of developers are making cheap condo/apartments

My side here in PJ, suddenly got so many new condos.

Government : Too many houses that are overpriced?? No problem! We'll just approve permit for more affordable condos!

In the end, those landed houses will remain stagnant or drop in value because all the millenials will go for high rise instead
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Your last para. In contrary, this will in turn make existing landed houses a gem.
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So conclusion is...
Lucky Malaysian millennials yg ada dedikasi... syukur je and thanks boomer daddi.
Poor Malaysian millennials just give up on home ownership la...
dun blame boomer gen for causing property price increase... boomer also just thinking wanna pass to their millenial kids je.
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like it or not, "being born rich also a talent" biggrin.gif

if poorfag then need to either work harder and just give up on home ownership like you said
there's nothing wrong with renting really, you saved shit tonne of money

also property is not for investment one, want to make an investment then go buy stock or put in asb/epf

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last time early 2000s can buy house

nowadays can only afford condo, so sad.

I hate living in condo, having someone above me and below me.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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won't work, because even the bricks, cement, gravel, sand, steel prices aren't cheap nowadays. not to mention price on the land itself too

even less than 10 years ago, renovated and build new sections about a quarter of the house and changing the roofs (not that much), costs over rm60k

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QUOTE(HikayatSalju @ Jan 19 2024, 11:58 AM)
These prices are in line with overall inflation. Like saying McDonald's menu twenty years ago how much now price how much. How can expect McDonald's menu price increase but house price cannot?
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Yeap house prices are actually in line with inflation, but the income of most millennials aren't. So boomer hogging up properties causing millennials to give up and spend their money on YOLO stuff = more inflation = even harder for millennial to own property without FOMO support.


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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 19 2024, 11:43 AM)
i think youre missing the point

its more on how even they with decades of work also can barely afford a house

house price goes up faster than salary can be
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its not really, you have options, even at the lower end, there are affordable ones and even the secondary market has good value buys

its just mostly i find

1. people want to live at a brand new landed next to KLCC (exaggerating of course) at 200k
2. refuse to sacrifice subscriptions or lifestyle choices to save up to even be able to have options in the secondary market
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jan 19 2024, 11:29 AM)
but the inheriance MONEY already kena tax from income tax what

said ur salary AFTER income tax is 800.
so if u pass the 800 to your son..

the rm800 kena tax pulokkkk

got it?
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You might as well say the company which paid your salary has also paid taxes.

Take the viewpoint of the recipient and youd see that its basically taxed at each level of recipient.

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Everytime talk about property sure blame boomers.
Boomers are living their last days already. Millenials inheriting those properties so blame your own generation for not releasing them for the charity of people.
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Jan 19 2024, 12:27 PM)
You might as well say the company which paid your salary has also paid the corp tax before paying your salary.

Take the viewpoint of the recipient and youd see that its basically taxed once at each level of recipient.
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corp tax is company ma

not my hard earn salary ma
we macai only care TAKE HOME PAY / SALARY aje
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jan 19 2024, 12:30 PM)
corp tax is company ma

not my hard earn salary ma
we macai only care TAKE HOME PAY / SALARY aje
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So what tax does the recipient of your inheritance pay?
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 19 2024, 10:14 AM)
as always... salah house buyers, not developers, not cement/steel/sand makers.

You go check how much steel/ sand price first. Those are unchecked inflation.

You cant even build a landed double storey house now with 200K even you are given land for free.
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uncle can tell all that the condo they build is not going to sell to young people....young people will opt for RUMAWIP etc...uncle already know it since Najib announce this affordable housing plan
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buy a house - you are paying for the land, materials , builders , architect , agent , lawyer , bank , etc .
These people aint going to work for free.
Play around the equation , someone has to pay the price , house dont grow like trees.
On the bright side, rent is always a good option
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its not really, you have options, even at the lower end, there are affordable ones and even the secondary market has good value buys

its just mostly i find

1. people want to live at a brand new landed next to KLCC (exaggerating of course) at 200k
2. refuse to sacrifice subscriptions or lifestyle choices to save up to even be able to have options in the secondary market
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One thing that we can blame government is the failed civil planning causing most white collar jobs to concentrate around KL City Center and with bad road & public transport planning most people would want to stay as close to city center as possible.
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At least better than sg .. at least most of us can still afford a  house .. according to kexpert
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afford a house is not an issue....
afford to the long term maintenance is the real issue...
also afford to rebuild it after 60 years is another problems...

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At least better than sg .. at least most of us can still afford a  house .. according to kexpert
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In Singapore, you got a proper job, confirm you can get a house.

In Malaysia, you got a job, won't confirm get you a house.

A lot of my friend and my family member work in Singapore, they all agree this.
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Buy shoplot, rent condo.
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Gaji 4k car 800. Genius.

Meanwhile aku my motor 4k sekali bayar and my house 800+ je monthly.
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Financial planning and prioritisation is the key....
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I know of a rich auntie, pass down by her parents of course.

18 property at town area where all she need is just collect rent every month and she is set for life.
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hopefully she have good planning to manage all these 18 property...not easy and it need a lot of cash to refurbish too
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buy a house -  you are paying for the land, materials , builders , architect , agent , lawyer , bank , etc .
These people aint going to work for free.
Play around the equation , someone has to pay the price , house dont grow like trees.
On the bright side,  rent is always a good option
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In certain area, Owner just transfer the cost to tenant, due to too much demand.
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At rm7000 monthly, u can only buy highrise that sharing lift with bangla.. around KV..

Boomer keeps reminding newer gen to save to the bone..but we are in an era whereby eating out is a culture nowadays...

Even if millennials savor sikit once a while also tak cukup buy house..


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Your last para. In contrary, this will in turn make existing landed houses a gem.
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Is it? But how hmm.gif

Who's gonna buy up the freehold landed properties?
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Gaji 4k car 800. Genius.

Meanwhile aku my motor 4k sekali bayar and my house 800+ je monthly.
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This. Exactly what i meant by setting the priority right.
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In certain area, Owner just transfer the cost to tenant, due to too much demand.
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Yea prime location, everyone wants .
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QUOTE(bashlyner @ Jan 19 2024, 12:32 PM)
One thing that we can blame government is the failed civil planning causing most white collar jobs to concentrate around KL City Center and with bad road & public transport planning most people would want to stay as close to city center as possible.
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This I agree

But the sacrifice and compromise point stands
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its not really, you have options, even at the lower end, there are affordable ones and even the secondary market has good value buys

its just mostly i find

1. people want to live at a brand new landed next to KLCC (exaggerating of course) at 200k
2. refuse to sacrifice subscriptions or lifestyle choices to save up to even be able to have options in the secondary market
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i dont disagree, but we all know theres alot more to picking a property than just seeing from pricing ultimately

like i have a friend who recently bought an affordable (for her) 2nd hand terrace house but because house is so old need spend more for reno, so stuff like this for me is no no despite how excellent the location is

both #1 and #2 part in general its stupid, when buying big commitment shit you gotta sacri something unless you are swimming in monies and see reality la
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 19 2024, 11:57 AM)
yes correct, however those are now beginning to become studio units <500sf kind

so its a good makeshift home for 2 but one will def need more space when starting up family. the inescapable cycle
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eh sure or not?

i just tekan rumawip website all newer project also 800 sqft for 300k

https://residensiwilayah.jwp.gov.my/
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I know of a rich auntie, pass down by her parents of course.

18 property at town area where all she need is just collect rent every month and she is set for life.
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This auntie single ka? biggrin.gif
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Like strike eureka la, so far owning 11 properties in kl and every month just collect rent as passive income while he lepak at port cheong vietmoi everyday.

This kind of ppl make us cant afford a house  ranting.gif
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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Jan 19 2024, 12:00 PM)
That's why now a lot of developers are making cheap condo/apartments

My side here in PJ, suddenly got so many new condos.

Government : Too many houses that are overpriced?? No problem! We'll just approve permit for more affordable condos!

In the end, those landed houses will remain stagnant or drop in value because all the millenials will go for high rise instead
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what are you smoking?
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QUOTE(kelvinng92 @ Jan 19 2024, 11:05 AM)
no knowledge on this, just curious how you change/move house with only 1 name (due to 1 house limit)? let say the person want to move somewhere better
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You can find out how Sinkie hdb buyers do it.

Anyway, it will never happen here, at least not in my lifetime.
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He could mean the old PJ landed house could drop in market price because it's too expensive to renovate >20 years old house. Would rather spend 800k on a 900sqft condo than an old landed house because you'll need another 200-300k to renovate it.
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millennial so stupid buy high rise as investment. To them buying condo to stay for the next 20 years is embarrassment
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what are you smoking?
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This is kinda true, with dropping high income group population, not many no longer interested nor able to afford landed house, thus the demand is stagnant unless the price is adjusted or sell them to foreigners
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You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Baby boomers: u blow?
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Many people didn't realize that buying a "condo" doesn't mean you are buying a "house". You cant fully take control of your "condo", after 30-40 years you’ve just finish the loan repayment, you will regret.
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Which group of people are gonna buy landed then?
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Many people didn't realize that buying a "condo" doesn't mean you are buying a "house". You cant fully take control of your "condo", after 30-40 years you’ve just finish the loan repayment, you will regret.
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It's called strata title, you own a portion of that condo. Of course you don't fully own the condo
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Gov and developer are the main villain. Both are feeding each other for the sake of Money.
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Don't forget the little Napoleons in the govt offices. U have no idea how much side income they gain from all these.
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My ex-boss grandfather sold land to UEM Mont Kiara 15years ago.

UEM acquired the land and gift 20units condo to my boss.
Each of them are worth atleast 1m at market price.

This is just one of their trophys.

And yet the boss say we all cha siew laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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This is kinda true, with dropping high income group population, not many no longer interested nor able to afford landed house, thus the demand is stagnant unless the price is adjusted or sell them to foreigners
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You think all who own their 1st apartment gonna live there for the rest of their live? No, a lot of them will sell them off and "upgrade" to landed house eventually.
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 19 2024, 10:14 AM)
as always... salah house buyers, not developers, not cement/steel/sand makers.

You go check how much steel/ sand price first. Those are unchecked inflation.

You cant even build a landed double storey house now with 200K even you are given land for free.
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i just curious how much our state govs are funded via land sales and property taxes.. then perhaps we can gauge whether the gov is not incentivize to solve the housing affordability issue..

just like cars... previously is high taxes but low petrol prices.. now is high taxes + high petrol price.... don be surprised if they start raising the road taxes soon..
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 19 2024, 11:55 AM)
i dont think so le, nowadays most modern condos are already like at least 700k if mau those 1k sf kind + decent location

studio still workable but you need at least 400-500k even unless rumahwip kind

for an avg joe assuming earn 4-5k its too damn tight ed unless sacri lifestyle
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A condo with 700k+ is not average joe living lifestyle
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average joe has average living lifestyle
A condo with 700k+ is not average joe living lifestyle
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studio u stay alone can lar. but until when one wanna be a slave staying in so called affordable RM450K 550sqft pigeonhole?
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+1
studio u stay alone can lar. but until when one wanna be a slave staying in so called affordable RM450K 550sqft pigeonhole?
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wei that is almost 1kpsf, mana affordable ranting.gif ranting.gif ranting.gif ranting.gif
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blame the property price but didnt blame the overall economy and salary scale. ask those unable buy hse b40 go spore buang sampah immediately afford to buy hse.
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Jan 19 2024, 02:35 PM)
wei that is almost 1kpsf, mana affordable  ranting.gif  ranting.gif  ranting.gif  ranting.gif
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actually many pricing now lagi gila than that. 600 sqft pigeonhole asking for rm500K+, not even in the middle of jalan ampang pun ranting.gif

all these are just fake demand/supply shit hyped by devs whatever lah I tell you. devs make smaller studio with insane price tag hoping that waterfish will buy 900/1000 sqft with 2-3 rooms at inflated price of rm700K and above

then janji the moon the star sure got ppl rent at rm2K-rm2.5K for 600 sqft pigeonhole

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Jan 19 2024, 02:39 PM)
actually many pricing now lagi gila than that. 600 sqft pigeonhole asking for rm500K+, not even in the middle of jalan ampang pun  ranting.gif

all these are just fake demand/supply shit hyped by devs whatever lah I tell you. devs make smaller studio with insane price tag hoping that waterfish will buy 900/1000 sqft with 2-3 rooms at inflated price of rm700K and above

then janji the moon the star sure got ppl rent at rm2K-rm2.5K for 600 sqft pigeonhole
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True, even DPC Noora also building 600sqft now

Although their strategy targeting young, Noora for sure not for average joe, more like T20 young Joe laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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sembang **** that mujaheed... sure I could get the rm300k unit from the affordable housing programs like Rumawip/PR1MA/etc.. but most of the projects are not located in fairly strategic locations (like far away from schools, markets, LRTs, etc)

but in all honesty, i'm just not brave enough to take away 50% of my current income just to pay off commitments.. 35-year long commitment at that
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Jan 19 2024, 02:49 PM)
True, even DPC Noora also building 600sqft now

Although their strategy targeting young, Noora for sure not for average joe, more like T20 young Joe  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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if u got that much money to do loan, might be as well buy a better unit with more rooms

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sembang **** that mujaheed... sure I could get the rm300k unit from the affordable housing programs like Rumawip/PR1MA/etc.. but most of the projects are not located in fairly strategic locations (like far away from schools, markets, LRTs, etc)

but in all honesty, i'm just not brave enough to take away 50% of my current income just to pay off commitments.. 35-year long commitment at that
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Cheap and Strategic locations(expensive) are not equal, choose one.
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You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Cheap and Strategic locations(expensive) are not equal, choose one.
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this is madness I tell you. studio 600 sqft + also I pening already

imagine 2 rooms house with the size of 668 sqft rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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The actual solutions is always encourage the young to earn more.

Invest in themselves, create more value, bring more oppportunities to the table.

That's how you millennial own your house.

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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 19 2024, 10:14 AM)
as always... salah house buyers, not developers, not cement/steel/sand makers.

You go check how much steel/ sand price first. Those are unchecked inflation.

You cant even build a landed double storey house now with 200K even you are given land for free.
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You want to point the gun, go blame gomen too.

Gomen agencies and service providers like IWK etc are charging quite heftily to get approval and system installed, you expect developers to bear those cost sukati?
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Nah, they’ll just register a company and park all those properties under the company.
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for that, kasi slap extra tax of 50%, sure bring money to the gomen

IB4 gomen also developers ( sime darby, anyone? )
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studio u stay alone can lar. but until when one wanna be a slave staying in so called affordable RM450K 550sqft pigeonhole?
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why foreveralone need >500sqft?
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foreveralone=basement size room=studio?
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Am I the only one think this part is a good direction? Of course not the part buy car as successful benchmark.  sweat.gif
Utilise public transport if able to, and car use for trips / weekend / place that hardly accessible / emergency, usually trip/weekend will be car pool instead of 1 people in a car.
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Meanwhile just last week got news ppl get robbed and raped cause using public transport.
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Cheap and Strategic locations(expensive) are not equal, choose one.
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for normal, private housings, sure
but considering it's a social housing program/schemes, shouldn't the location be more accessible to those facilities? at least that's how japan did it for their social housing programs

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Is it. What’s your alternative view on this then
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Uncle can tell you why all these property guru keep promote shoplot

Because as a developer, the cost to build shoplot is wayyyyyy cheaper than building residence units…

Shoplot has the highest margin for developers
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From what I know from friend working in construction, situation is gov force them to build Rumawip which confirm rugi for them, so they transfer those cost to non-Rumawip unit. So actually those cost that fly high is due to cost transfer, so they will still earn money no matter what, developer won't absorb those cost due to Rumawip.

Not sure is true or not la

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this is madness I tell you. studio 600 sqft + also I pening already

imagine 2 rooms house with the size of 668 sqft  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Gila.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 19 2024, 03:04 PM)
for normal, private housings, sure
but considering it's a social housing program/schemes, shouldn't the location be more accessible to those facilities? at least that's how japan did it for their social housing programs
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Agreed. But Malaysia did not value city planning expertise.
They are more like capitalism at priority.
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This guy has been around for quite some time. you should see his other video

Rumah 5 Bilik 3 Bilik Air
Panjang x lebar 47' x 37'
Total Area 1350  kaki persegi
Reka & Bina Mengikut Bajet Anda
Spesifikasi
✅ Dinding Bata Merah/Clay Bricks
✅ Atap Genting Monier Elabana atau Saga Lagendary (Boleh Pilih)
✅ Single Phase Wiring Dengan Point Asas
✅ Internal Piping Dengan Kelengkapan Asas
✅ 2 Unit Tangki Air Poly N200.00
✅ Kemasan Tile Lantai 600mm x 600mm dan 300mm x 600mm
✅ Tinggi Lantai Ke siling lebih 11.5’
✅ Kemasan Tile Dinding Tandas 300mm x 600mm hingga ke aras siling
✅ Kemasan cat Jotun Majestic Matt untuk dalaman
✅ Kemasan cat Jotun. Jotashield Ultra Clean untuk luar.
✅ Plaster Siling Rata dengan Kemasan Kornis 4”
✅ Pintu Moulded Door
✅ Kelengkapan Sanitary Asas
✅ Tabletop 14 kaki panjang dengan Kemasan Tile 600mm x 600mm
✅ Kemasan Prima plank
Harga binaan Rm 185,000.00
Upgred
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respek, RM137 per sqft

ayam also cannot quote this low. So far I manage to RM150 per sqft jer.

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I'll never understand how those 1k/sqft studios in non-prime locations can be sold without being flagged as excessive profiteering.
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respek, RM137 per sqft

ayam also cannot quote this low. So far I manage to RM150 per sqft jer.
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so still can get >50% margin or not? or more?

last time the maths always if material rm1000/upah also rm1000
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Gen Y and Gen Z should just support Babi Boomers and Gen X retirement.... by just renting our properties...


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Cheap and Strategic locations(expensive) are not equal, choose one.
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Taman Sentosa send its regard.
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You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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There was supposed to be a law that fine properties that are deserted and owner doesn't stay
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sembang **** that mujaheed... sure I could get the rm300k unit from the affordable housing programs like Rumawip/PR1MA/etc.. but most of the projects are not located in fairly strategic locations (like far away from schools, markets, LRTs, etc)

but in all honesty, i'm just not brave enough to take away 50% of my current income just to pay off commitments.. 35-year long commitment at that
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we average joe, all had similar thoughts before our commitment… so long as all home payments ( loan, utilities, maintenance,?minor expenses) do not cross 50% of your net income, it’s doable…

admittedly first two years a bit stressful, after that it’s just a norm that you will get used to
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QUOTE(tkwmm @ Jan 19 2024, 03:06 PM)
From what I know from friend working in construction, situation is gov force them to build Rumawip which confirm rugi for them, so they transfer those cost to non-Rumawip unit. So actually those cost that fly high is due to cost transfer, so they will still earn money no matter what, developer won't absorb those cost due to Rumawip.

Not sure is true or not la
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By law, yes, it is thie responsibility to build affordable house in their development area.

That’s why building shoplot is easier and earn more.

Besides, majority young workforce will only consider affordable house. It cool down the property market. It is a good sign.

Plus no new FDI come in
Plus malay reserve units 30%

Those whom still push property market and say can earn money confirm are conman
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Jan 19 2024, 03:12 PM)
Agreed. But Malaysia did not value city planning expertise.
They are more like capitalism at priority.
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because every authority is on the take and you can build any shit you want on any plot of land

the result of endemic corruption

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There was supposed to be a law that fine properties that are deserted and owner doesn't stay
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Don’t play play la…later developers stop work and terus lari you baru tau…our country already very poor….not affordable to have property market gembar bumi
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Gen Y and Gen Z should just support Babi Boomers and Gen X retirement.... by just renting our properties...
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Worst is the rental don’t even able to cover your cost…lol
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Jan 19 2024, 03:14 PM)
so still can get >50% margin or not? or more?

last time the maths always if material rm1000/upah also rm1000
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ayam not con-traktor.

my current contraktor just quoted me RM150 to rebuilt a ~3100sqft Corner Double storey house. (he quote low becos I long time client)

I asked so many other Ah kao, Ah Seng contraktor, they all quote way higher than RM150 for the same quality.

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Jan 19 2024, 02:56 PM)
user posted image

this is madness I tell you. studio 600 sqft + also I pening already

imagine 2 rooms house with the size of 668 sqft  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Luckily not another SOHO…
Anyway, the malaysian property quality drop a lot…
Uncle advice is don’t buy it unless you need it
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This. I don't know why it seems all gomen doesn't matter from which party cannot do this.
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Simple je, if gov fight T5
Who's gonna donate? Voting time where money come from to do campaign?
Just talk rnr issue auto b40 vote anyway
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ayam not con-traktor.

my current contraktor just quoted me RM150 to rebuilt a ~3100sqft Corner Double storey house. (he quote low becos I long time client)

I asked so many other Ah kao, Ah Seng contraktor, they all quote way higher than RM150 for the same quality.
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Beware their quality….
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Simple je, if gov fight T5
Who's gonna donate? Voting time where money come from to do campaign?
Just talk rnr issue auto b40 vote anyway
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Inflation

Only inflation can help governments to solve this problem
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You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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this is 200% true... most people at age 50 and above owe 3-5 properties.
even a single (not marriage one) baby boomer owing 3-4 properties...this was base on true story people around me.
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Beware their quality….
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long time contractor, he is not gonna screw me over for this. This is why make fren with contractor is best.

besides I VIP, I am allow to pay after build. brows.gif

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 03:26 PM)
Don’t play play la…later developers stop work and terus lari you baru tau…our country already very poor….not affordable to have property market gembar bumi
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actually those landed properties when they deserted attract rats, mosquitoes and roaches, maybe even bangala curi sleep there
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Dont blame. Let's work hard Millennial. Someday these boomers going to die and one day you'll own your first house.

Cheers.
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Or force everyone to put at least 50% down payment.
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50 to little make it 80 percent that reasonable..
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Dont blame. Let's work hard Millennial. Someday these boomers going to die and one day you'll own your first house.

Cheers.
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yes everybody can die if they don't die until age 100, which makes them more money-hungry how...?
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 03:27 PM)
Worst is the rental don’t even able to cover your cost…lol
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then we increase rental lor...
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QUOTE(tometoto @ Jan 19 2024, 03:32 PM)
this is 200% true... most people at age 50 and above owe 3-5 properties.
even a single (not marriage one) baby boomer owing 3-4 properties...this was base on true story people around me.
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Then those millennials should blame their parents for not owning any to pass down to them.
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Ktards kids already provided have house and car, no need to own.
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 19 2024, 03:37 PM)
long time contractor, he is not gonna screw me over for this. This is why make fren with contractor is best.

besides I VIP, I am allow to pay after build. brows.gif
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haha...

none of uncle friend will do like you...

we will source another contractor to do the job...so that we can pinpoint at no hesitate...

also, we are willing to pay higher a lot to see how they work...

we normally will not put all the egg into one basket...

if the boss pannai....then uncle will make one new friend...


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QUOTE(soul78 @ Jan 19 2024, 03:45 PM)
then we increase rental lor...
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you can try....

this sentence only make sense in singapore...

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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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local and foreign ones
boomers all buying alot of cheap residential properties then rent out for cashflow stream
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As usual sarahan Millienials when millienials has to deal with rising inflation caused by the boomers

Boomers also paid 200k for one property while millennials gotta pay 400k for similar property all the while suffering from rising cost, shitty public transport that requires car ownership

But as usual millennials are lazy and don’t want to buy house kek
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QUOTE(h@ksam @ Jan 19 2024, 03:37 PM)
actually those landed properties when they deserted attract rats, mosquitoes and roaches, maybe even bangala curi sleep there
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it is not about rats, mosquitoes and croaches....all these will be taken care by KKM
also not about Bangla....these will be take care by immigration and police...

it is about LC/VP....it is about money...

bodo kau
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Not so easy. Construction industry will died if you bring such limitation.

Construction is major economy driver
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QUOTE(HikayatSalju @ Jan 19 2024, 10:05 AM)

A total of 2,523 respondents aged 25 to 45 in Kuala Lumpur, Selangor and Putrajaya with individual monthly income of RM4,360 to RM9,620 were interviewed in the study aimed at identifying this group’s financial level, in terms of their ability to save, invest as well as their financial liabilities.

He said that out of the total, 1,697 respondents or 67.3 per cent were committed to monthly car instalments of between RM800 and RM1,200.

“For them, owning a car is a benchmark of their success in life. Ironically, some of them take the public transport to work and leave their car at home,” he told Bernama recently.

Besides that, Mohammad Mujaheed said the study also shows that 1,833 respondents or 72.7 per cent have credit card commitments with at least two banks.

“Having a credit card is a ‘responsibility’ for the younger generation as an alternative for them to have regular access to credit and as cash advance.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...of-reach/113296
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pandam muka if until that age still cannot have own house.
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I'm very sure she doesn't declare all this income. LHDN weak in this area.
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Millennial gave up owning home? lol, data where? how many millennial out of how many? Wait till you see Gen Z
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Rich will just but it under a different family member’s name.

If you actually look into our rich, all have really expensive homes overseas and locally in different names
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jan 19 2024, 10:19 AM)
Should impose heavy tax for people that own multiple properties.
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why?

we work hard for it.
many of us don't drive fancy cars or new cars. but have multiple properties.



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QUOTE(Unifi agent - YC @ Jan 19 2024, 10:20 AM)
This Dr makes it sound like it is so easy for most millennial to buy overpriced house nowadays


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but easy for millenials to buy overpriced cars , coffee, handphone, etc.

where as buying home is always put to the lowest priority.



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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 19 2024, 03:37 PM)
long time contractor, he is not gonna screw me over for this. This is why make fren with contractor is best.

besides I VIP, I am allow to pay after build. brows.gif
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don't always take advantage on other people...
you need to be fair and treat other people fair...

saving that little money cannot make you become top 10 rich in malaysia
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jan 19 2024, 04:01 PM)
but easy for millenials to buy overpriced cars , coffee, handphone, etc.

where as buying home is always put to the lowest priority.
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uncle see a lot of successful business man are not coming rich by saving...

it is their idea, their innovation, and their value behind their work...

if Mark Zukerberg follow our way to study hard and get a job....then buy property etc... he will never build his Meta empire

he will everyday think about property and how to buy a property

do you understand?
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Only limit on developers build property

You can't stop people building their own houses
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 04:04 PM)
uncle see a lot of successful business man are not coming rich by saving...

it is their idea, their innovation, and their value behind their work...

if Mark Zukerberg follow our way to study hard and get a job....then buy property etc... he will never build his Meta empire

he will everyday think about property and how to buy a property

do you understand?
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jan 19 2024, 04:00 PM)
why?

we work hard for it.
many of us don't drive fancy cars or new cars.  but have multiple properties.
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Fuyoh rich man spotted ☝️
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 19 2024, 04:06 PM)
Fuyoh rich man spotted ☝️
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you more rich. Got multiple condominiums in KL renting out to expats.

drive fancy cars - Aston Martin, Ferrari , and recently bought a Porche Macan as a daily drive to your company

stay in a Villa size house, siap dengan mini home cinema room powered by Yamaha Dolby Atmos sound system with twin 15" SVS subwoofers , movies projected via a laser 8K projector.

And just bought an Amazfit watch everyday run 10KM, big boss so free nothing to do everyday go running.


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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jan 19 2024, 04:00 PM)
why?

we work hard for it.
many of us don't drive fancy cars or new cars.  but have multiple properties.
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so how many weekend/weekdays house you got?

weekend balik landed house to relax & rest.
weekdays stay near workplace for work? brows.gif
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 19 2024, 10:36 AM)
1 unit of shop these days is 2million easily. And it is not like developer will build them anymore. They just spam building condo kao kao because it earn a lot more.

Good luck buying shoplot
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That's why shoplot is better, because supply is less.
Everywhere also building new condo, too much supply.
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 19 2024, 04:10 PM)
so how many weekend/weekdays house you got?

weekend balik landed house to relax & rest.
weekdays stay near workplace for work?  brows.gif
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renting out to college students brows.gif
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 04:04 PM)
uncle see a lot of successful business man are not coming rich by saving...

it is their idea, their innovation, and their value behind their work...

if Mark Zukerberg follow our way to study hard and get a job....then buy property etc... he will never build his Meta empire

he will everyday think about property and how to buy a property

do you understand?
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There can be only a handful of MZ in this world but a lot more that can have have multiple property.

I know Im not a MZ so I buy more property.

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 19 2024, 04:04 PM)
[b][/b]
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LOL
not surprising to see this
all swipe first. use future money first they say.

head not so big, but want to wear a size XL hat.
this is the problem.


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QUOTE(Jigoku @ Jan 19 2024, 10:14 AM)
I know of a rich auntie, pass down by her parents of course.

18 property at town area where all she need is just collect rent every month and she is set for life.
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my mom did this to all of my siblings..
but 1 person only get 1 property each.
Basically the best is just rent it out to get passive income without wasting any effort & time.
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jan 19 2024, 04:15 PM)
LOL
not surprising to see this
all swipe first.  use future money first they say.

head not so big, but want to wear a size XL hat.
this is the problem.
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how is that a problem?

We love these kind of people. brows.gif

every time people buy luxury item to show off, I just two thumb up and congrats them with a big smile. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Unifi agent - YC @ Jan 19 2024, 10:20 AM)
This Dr makes it sound like it is so easy for most millennial to buy overpriced house nowadays

Life is not only about getting a house, paying half or most of your monthly net income for over 35 years, and just die

Unless it is your dream house to settle down and you are really ready to commit, don't buy and just rent.

Don't listen to these boomer "experts" and get pressured into buying a property. They will never see things from millennials' POV because they are already established.
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True la, for my case I sell bkt here and while most times the old folks here just tell me to buy a house or a shop...I'm not gonna stay here and sell rm13 bkt forever, that's a garbage level of price considering some ulu place like kinta sungkai or bidor also priced higher, many customers also told me how mine tasted better and cheaper too...once I have enough exp and money I'll leave for better place.

U know this area? Not much entertainment outlets or facilities nor government offices but a proton hq on a deeper part of the suburbs then a UPSI with majority muslims...I just dun see much prospects as a bkt seller. The shops here those old ones and not even facing main roads costs almost 400k and those single storey terraces old ones 250k+ new ones almost 300k...mahai can't imagine working 35 years of life just to pay off the loans in this kind-of-a-shithole
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Commercial property is easier to kick lousy tenants out too. Laws do not protect commercial tenants, unlike properties with residential titles.
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 19 2024, 04:18 PM)
how is that a problem?

We love these kind of people.  brows.gif

every time people buy luxury item to show off, I just two thumb up and congrats them with a big smile. thumbup.gif
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you work in bank is it? biggrin.gif
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thats why ppl laugh at china housing market collapse but didnt know why the reason their government let it collapse.

youngster now if no own house dont want breed. especially chinese. 0.7 to 0.8 fertility rate for chinese malaysian
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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Jan 19 2024, 04:13 PM)
There can be only a handful of MZ in this world but a lot more that can have have multiple property.

I know Im not a MZ so I buy more property.
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You should look around the youngster how they make money
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jan 19 2024, 04:00 PM)
why?

we work hard for it.
many of us don't drive fancy cars or new cars.  but have multiple properties.
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Hoarding is bad.

Just like we have laws that prevent people from hoarding necessities like rice, sugar etc etc. there should be laws that prevent people from hoarding properties.
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Hoarding is bad.

Just like we have laws that prevent people from hoarding necessities like rice, sugar etc etc. there should be laws that prevent people from hoarding properties.
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WTF…that is different la..
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 04:59 PM)
You should look around the youngster how they make money
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It what you say is true then "millennials give up on home ownership" is fake new lo.
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Jan 19 2024, 10:10 AM)
Or better, tax them kau kau, and then give back as subsidy for first time buyers.
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why give money freely to the poors ?
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why give money freely to the poors ?
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exactly, always this mindset, everything subsidy.

always want to take from others.

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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 10:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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This is the most viable solution.
Flippers will inflict fear that property market will die cause of this.

But no gomen will have the balls to implement this.
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jan 19 2024, 04:01 PM)
but easy for millenials to buy overpriced cars , coffee, handphone, etc.

where as buying home is always put to the lowest priority.
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I mean, everyone has their own choice; let them pick their priority la thumbup.gif

as long as they are self-sufficient
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 04:04 PM)
uncle see a lot of successful business man are not coming rich by saving...

it is their idea, their innovation, and their value behind their work...

if Mark Zukerberg follow our way to study hard and get a job....then buy property etc... he will never build his Meta empire

he will everyday think about property and how to buy a property

do you understand?
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You don't need to be a mark zukerberg or bill gates business empire level to be considered rich. Plenty of reasonably well off ppl saved their way to where they are. Something which millenials/ gen z don't seem to understand

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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jan 19 2024, 05:04 PM)
Hoarding is bad.

Just like we have laws that prevent people from hoarding necessities like rice, sugar etc etc. there should be laws that prevent people from hoarding properties.
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The fact that we have surplus unsold properties showed that hoarding is not the issue with our property market. It's the price itself

This post has been edited by bigwolf: Jan 19 2024, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(teslaman @ Jan 19 2024, 05:20 PM)
why give money freely to the poors ?
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Because they will spend it back to the rich
First time into capitalism?
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Jan 19 2024, 02:57 PM)
The actual solutions is always encourage the young to earn more.

Invest in themselves, create more value, bring more oppportunities to the table.

That's how you millennial own your house.
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Boomers can afford their own house, and what they do? They start speculating on property and thus getting more income not by creating value but by hogging limited resources and transferring the burden of value creation to the next gen.

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As a millenial, I regret buying a house. So many headaches. The taxes, maintenance, repair. My emergency fund also need to increase to take into account my house upkeep. Previously i have 3 months emergency fund saved up. Now only 1 month after buying house to take into account house expenses
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 03:55 PM)
it is not about rats, mosquitoes and croaches....all these will be taken care by KKM
also not about Bangla....these will be take care by immigration and police...

it is about LC/VP....it is about money...

bodo kau
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can KKM enter private property without owner's consent??

owner overseas how?
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QUOTE(Unifi agent - YC @ Jan 19 2024, 05:24 PM)
exactly, always this mindset, everything subsidy.

always want to take from others.
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those tax payers also deserve benefit from what they’re paying.

QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Jan 19 2024, 05:55 PM)
Because they will spend it back to the rich
First time into capitalism?
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yes if this continue, we shall continue lawball salary and charge more to the poors as well, they deserve as they getting subsidy aids.
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You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Boomers : what ? I want keep my 30 properties for my children and thier grand children and thier great grand children. who are you ?

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QUOTE(keybearer @ Jan 19 2024, 10:12 AM)
Got me thinking though, I don't think I see much of gov. incentives / home ownership campaign / affordable housing program under Madani. Not the focus anymore because of supply overhang & subsale depreciation?
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Madani dun care u homeless.

U see penang u know d.
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jan 19 2024, 10:19 AM)
Should impose heavy tax for people that own multiple properties.
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Isn't the current national affordable housing policy good enough?

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make 200sqft 'house' sell 200k
ramai beli nanti, confirm.
kek
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As a millenial, I regret buying a house. So many headaches. The taxes, maintenance, repair. My emergency fund also need to increase to take into account my house upkeep. Previously i have 3 months emergency fund saved up. Now only 1 month after buying house to take into account house expenses
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you bought landed or hi-rise?
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You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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macam they not using their own money to buy.
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500k to 600k house but quality mcm apa


Give me 200k i can build house better with raw materials
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 02:07 AM)
You limit how many properties a person can have, will automatically fix the problem.

Baby boomers owning too much properties.
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Mana boleh hantam the boomers for having too much properties? Not like the prop I'm buying is super duper cheap also, makahai...

(Well, I got 31 studios here in London alone, midyear likely increases to 35 or 36, depend on economy. Not yet counting the rest of the buildings, shoplots that can do house rental and shop rentals)
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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Jan 19 2024, 12:33 PM)
macam they not using their own money to buy.
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Some people's hate is very berry the strong. People got over 2 or 3 props like not using their money buy, is using all the fund from the bifotis to buy punya. Installment also from bifotis come punya, so hatred very kaolat in this stage. Should belong to the bifoti that stay there and pay the property for how many years lel.


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The fact that we have surplus unsold properties showed that hoarding is not the issue with our property market. It's the price itself
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And the location too.

Far from station la, far from Michelin star restaurant la, far from here there updown left right la, then want Perlis gomen shit houses price on selangor Pavilion beside punya props. That's how people want it to be.

Semachiam the perangai pergi airport, minum air kosong, complain Kampung free, airport 10 bucks.
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500k to 600k house but quality mcm apa
Give me 200k i can build house better with raw materials
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You sendiri build ah?

Until what day what year, and what quality control + what term?

I nampak bebanyak people, always complain house quality like shit whatever etc, then opted sendiri build, end of day, habis... Another Saupei project from handmade.co

Even my CCP in laws nowadays got land in kampung also dun dare to opt for cheap neighborhood construction team. Die die need to opt for the more professional punya to ensure gempa bumi skala mampus ritcher wont roboh the house.
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why worry... they can just wait for their parents to pass over one or two of the many properties the parents own... haha
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Why should ppl and the world revolve around your inadequacy.

Can't you forgo the mindset of taking from others and work for yourself?

Isn't the current national affordable housing policy good enough?
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You sendiri build ah?

Until what day what year, and what quality control + what term?

I nampak bebanyak people, always complain house quality like shit whatever etc, then opted sendiri build, end of day, habis... Another Saupei project from handmade.co

Even my CCP in laws nowadays got land in kampung also dun dare to opt for cheap neighborhood construction team. Die die need to opt for the more professional punya to ensure gempa bumi skala mampus ritcher wont roboh the house.
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Haha…yaya…200k to build is really tokok…maybe he sendiri become architect, qs, ir, labor to build it up….lol
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why worry... they can just wait for their parents to pass over one or two of the many properties the parents own... haha
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Many indian parents don’t have property to pass to their children
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Mana boleh hantam the boomers for having too much properties? Not like the prop I'm buying is super duper cheap also, makahai...

(Well, I got 31 studios here in London alone, midyear likely increases to 35 or 36, depend on economy. Not yet counting the rest of the buildings, shoplots that can do house rental and shop rentals)
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Why not buy in malaysia? Can buy shoplot here as some /k said
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This is the most viable solution.
Flippers will inflict fear that property market will die cause of this.

But no gomen will have the balls to implement this.
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You sendiri build ah?

Until what day what year, and what quality control + what term?

I nampak bebanyak people, always complain house quality like shit whatever etc, then opted sendiri build, end of day, habis... Another Saupei project from handmade.co

Even my CCP in laws nowadays got land in kampung also dun dare to opt for cheap neighborhood construction team. Die die need to opt for the more professional punya to ensure gempa bumi skala mampus ritcher wont roboh the house.
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The fact that we have surplus unsold properties showed that hoarding is not the issue with our property market. It's the price itself
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LoL

What? You think they no need to pay monthly instalment? What a jokes!

Uncle advice you to see all these units = debts/loans
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can KKM enter private property without owner's consent??

owner overseas how?
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500k to 600k house but quality mcm apa
Give me 200k i can build house better with raw materials
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kek. 200k can buy what house.
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As a millenial, I regret buying a house. So many headaches. The taxes, maintenance, repair. My emergency fund also need to increase to take into account my house upkeep. Previously i have 3 months emergency fund saved up. Now only 1 month after buying house to take into account house expenses
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kek. 200k can buy what house.
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boomers own multiple house

But aren’t millennials parent are boomers

What is the problem here
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Some people's hate is very berry the strong. People got over 2 or 3 props like not using their money buy, is using all the fund from the bifotis to buy punya. Installment also from bifotis come punya, so hatred very kaolat in this stage. Should belong to the bifoti that stay there and pay the property for how many years lel.
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I said, "limit how many properties a person", it is PLURAL, and A person, means if spouse, each can have properties under their own name or under children name.

Ofc it will not be done spontaneous, it will be done gradually, by few decades if need to, but need to stop them from acquiring any future development project that cost under 1 million, perhaps?
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“For them, owning a car is a benchmark of their success in life. Ironically, some of them take the public transport to work and leave their car at home,” he told Bernama recently.

Decision also cannot make that why salary always bocor
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200k actually can buy big house in kelantan
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Many indian parents don’t have property to pass to their children
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and yet many indians own homes too... so?

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and yet many indians own homes too... so?
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Hope their children do not split the one property they have…
But make it become reunion spot
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“For them, owning a car is a benchmark of their success in life. Ironically, some of them take the public transport to work and leave their car at home,” he told Bernama recently.

Decision also cannot make that why salary always bocor
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Uncle doubt that’s true
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I said, "limit how many properties a person", it is PLURAL, and A person, means if spouse, each can have properties under their own name or under children name.

Ofc it will not be done spontaneous, it will be done gradually, by few decades if need to, but need to stop them from acquiring any future development project that cost under 1 million, perhaps?
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I said, "limit how many properties a person", it is PLURAL, and A person, means if spouse, each can have properties under their own name or under children name.

Ofc it will not be done spontaneous, it will be done gradually, by few decades if need to, but need to stop them from acquiring any future development project that cost under 1 million, perhaps?
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It is easy for government to implement housing scheme to encourage one person one house. The real problem is developers won't like it because how to earn big money like Li Ka Sing otherwise? Developers want scarcity so that they can sell more and more expensive house at smaller and smaller size. That's how tons loads of money is made. devil.gif
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It is easy for government to implement housing scheme to encourage one person one house. The real problem is developers won't like it because how to earn big money like Li Ka Sing otherwise? Developers want scarcity so that they can sell more and more expensive house at smaller and smaller size. That's how tons loads of money is made. devil.gif
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Aiya just use subsidies to counter low birth rate la.

If millennials have 3 kids, get 50% discoun!
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QUOTE(vhs @ Jan 19 2024, 09:39 PM)
It is easy for government to implement housing scheme to encourage one person one house. The real problem is developers won't like it because how to earn big money like Li Ka Sing otherwise? Developers want scarcity so that they can sell more and more expensive house at smaller and smaller size. That's how tons loads of money is made. devil.gif
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Correct me if I'm wrong, Lawyers has to do some pro bono once a while right in the US? Is it the same here as in US?

Maybe same concept but for developers they can't make insane profit, once a while they need to create affordable housing to give back some to society.

Meaning the profit is not high compared to their other projects.

Just my random thought...

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Correct me if I'm wrong, Lawyers has to do some pro bono once a while right in the US? Is it the same here as in US?

Maybe same concept but for developers they can't make insane profit, once a while they need to create affordable housing to give back some to society.

Meaning the profit is not high compared to their other projects.

Just my random thought...
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The requirement on private housing developers to build at least 30 per cent of affordable housing in mega housing projects has been imposed since 1981. But many people complain they cannot get house. Why that happens no one know.

What is the definition of "afforable housing"? 100K or less? 300K or less?

Who bought up those 30%? The developers only need to ensure 30% are created but there is no requirements on qualifying buyers?
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The requirement on private housing developers to build at least 30 per cent of affordable housing in mega housing projects has been imposed since 1981. But many people complain they cannot get house. Why that happens no one know.

What is the definition of "afforable housing"? 100K or less? 300K or less?

Who bought up those 30%? The developers only need to ensure 30% are created but there is no requirements on qualifying buyers?
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Understood, thanks for enlightening me.

So in the end we have laws just very weak enforcement like all our subsidies problems.
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Haha…yaya…200k to build is really tokok…maybe he sendiri become architect, qs, ir, labor to build it up….lol
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Why not buy in malaysia? Can buy shoplot here as some /k said
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Nowadays not the same as before liao la. Build sendiri yes, as long you got the skills, resources, equipment, etc to support it. Else, building it yourself regardless of your skills is really a stupid quote. I also kenal a good construction team that excellent in renovating indoor and restaurants (these fellas do really good work in making KTV decors) but what use? Their handiwork good, but QC saupei. Just the KTV alone, each time after use, sure their big display panel here cacat there kantoi, really waste of material. (Can check Sichuan Grand in London, there's few spots, and all work done by the same fellas I say so)

As for buying in Malaysia, you blind ah bro?? (not being offensive but honestly, you see K punya chat until todei, you really mata sepet juling buta or what bro? Even nasi ayam they wanna KPDNK or whatever for selling 30 hinggit, you want me to buy Msia houses and charge premium? You think doable, with how stingly Malaysian and our fellow kiamsiap ktards is?)

My 31 studios up to date, only the gross sales for 31 NYE and 1st NY alone, you tau berapa or not bro? 2days private rental reaches close to 200k quid. 10 of them is 3.5k pound per nite at that 2 days. The rest between 1.5k to 2k. My studio unit facing London Eye at Wardian Canary Wharf is rented out for event, no limit free flow moet and remy, I rent that place out for 15k pound, exclusive NYE that day.

You think Malaysia I can earn this kind of quick money?

Furthermore, Here in the UK, how I BNB my studios, my choice. But if Malaysia, I bnb my posh studio for 100 ringgit per night, maybe can expect these K buggers go trash my windows liao.

I am taught a lesson dearly, even habuk you don't leave a speck to the Malaysia Market. Its a waste. Of effort and resources. Even the thought itself is wasteful of energy and metabolism. Harsh, but its true.
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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ Jan 19 2024, 09:59 PM)
Nowadays not the same as before liao la. Build sendiri yes, as long you got the skills, resources, equipment, etc to support it. Else, building it yourself regardless of your skills is really a stupid quote. I also kenal a good construction team that excellent in renovating indoor and restaurants (these fellas do really good work in making KTV decors) but what use? Their handiwork good, but QC saupei. Just the KTV alone, each time after use, sure their big display panel here cacat there kantoi, really waste of material. (Can check Sichuan Grand in London, there's few spots, and all work done by the same fellas I say so)

As for buying in Malaysia, you blind ah bro?? (not being offensive but honestly, you see K punya chat until todei, you really mata sepet juling buta or what bro? Even nasi ayam they wanna KPDNK or whatever for selling 30 hinggit, you want me to buy Msia houses and charge premium? You think doable, with how stingly Malaysian and our fellow kiamsiap ktards is?)

My 31 studios up to date, only the gross sales for 31 NYE and 1st NY alone, you tau berapa or not bro? 2days private rental reaches close to 200k quid. 10 of them is 3.5k pound per nite at that 2 days. The rest between 1.5k to 2k. My studio unit facing London Eye at Wardian Canary Wharf is rented out for event, no limit free flow moet and remy, I rent that place out for 15k pound, exclusive NYE that day.

You think Malaysia I can earn this kind of quick money?

Furthermore, Here in the UK, how I BNB my studios, my choice. But if Malaysia, I bnb my posh studio for 100 ringgit per night, maybe can expect these K buggers go trash my windows liao.

I am taught a lesson dearly, even habuk you don't leave a speck to the Malaysia Market. Its a waste. Of effort and resources. Even the thought itself is wasteful of energy and metabolism. Harsh, but its true.
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Summary: I'm too good for Malaysian, I want big UK pound profit, not kecik cheapskate ringgit, kasi suay aja.

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I said, "limit how many properties a person", it is PLURAL, and A person, means if spouse, each can have properties under their own name or under children name.

Ofc it will not be done spontaneous, it will be done gradually, by few decades if need to, but need to stop them from acquiring any future development project that cost under 1 million, perhaps?
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First time buyer memang sudah di subsidi pun. They cilakak mementang want house here there at posh special good location saje.

My kawan cannot afford own house, even share with his sister also buy a house at rawang that time before the highway (dunno call what) is completed. But for some, if not segambut, not Kota Damansara, Mutiara Damansara, not worth buying la, this la, that la, etc.

Fukken hell these people. Duit takde, house want posh good nice super duper location.

There's scheme done to help the poor, its just the poor despise those schemes. Else, everyone had a home. Im just being honest. They can afford paying 9 years installment for a kotak kosong masili, pay premium Vpower petrol and weekly cherating, genting, langkawi, penang, sg, melacca, etc, but cannot afford put a small side of these expenses to afford their travel from maybe Setapak to KL work, Melacca to KL work, seremban to KL work, and so on.

This is human issue.

Buy and sell is natural case. Its something that gonna goes alone regardless. Else, wait until this year sudah know got 1 million sohai get born, then plan 18 years later only build 1 million homes for these bastards to buy?
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bagus.. sila continue renting from us (landlords) and dont buy.
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Not me....me and my family lah.....
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If kampung style, I think still wokey.

City style susah, bro. Trust me.

My 2nd studio here in London, is at a 4th level and 4 1/2 attic. I renovate it and rebuilt it to be comfortable, only to misjudge the consideration on heating, leak of cold air, windy situation that causes gempa bumi piap piap style, noisy crancky lifts disturbance, and so on. Out of my 31 studio in hand, this 2nd unit is the cheapest ever renovation I did, by getting kawan and sendiri do, just to fakap and it is now profitable, but a burning money prop to let for bnb clients. (10 client stay here, 50% complain)
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“For them, owning a car is a benchmark of their success in life. Ironically, some of them take the public transport to work and leave their car at home,” he told Bernama recently.

Decision also cannot make that why salary always bocor
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Their colander how to simpan water content. Simpan sampah sarap got la. Water all bocor hilang before notice.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 02:05 PM)
Summary: I'm too good for Malaysian, I want big UK pound profit, not kecik cheapskate ringgit, kasi suay aja.
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Nice summary for my long ass boring essay.

Its as simplified by Sm Bro here.

Just to reply along with your reply about affordable housing.

Actually such thing exist, but the problem is, it was a blanket scheme that's no different from Gomen Kasi Siewyuk to lighten your dinner burden, but only small part, like 1/3 of Malaysian can take and enjoice because the other two either cannot take, unqualified, not their cup of tea, etc. End of day, the quota that remains go to who's hand?

The one that can eat the siew yuk, the one that have excess after eating the siewyuk, so make some small nasi lemak 1 ringgit for the other 2/3 to utilize their name to thorlong.

Scemes is always there to help, but the problem is, they don't cater to person, they cater to groups. And when we talk about groups, its always the bunch of irresponsible bifotis that causes the problem it's not working and so on.
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First time buyer memang sudah di subsidi pun. They cilakak mementang want house here there at posh special good location saje.

My kawan cannot afford own house, even share with his sister also buy a house at rawang that time before the highway (dunno call what) is completed. But for some, if not segambut, not Kota Damansara, Mutiara Damansara, not worth buying la, this la, that la, etc.

Fukken hell these people. Duit takde, house want posh good nice super duper location.

There's scheme done to help the poor, its just the poor despise those schemes. Else, everyone had a home. Im just being honest. They can afford paying 9 years installment for a kotak kosong masili, pay premium Vpower petrol and weekly cherating, genting, langkawi, penang, sg, melacca, etc, but cannot afford put a small side of these expenses to afford their travel from maybe Setapak to KL work, Melacca to KL work, seremban to KL work, and so on.

This is human issue.

Buy and sell is natural case. Its something that gonna goes alone regardless. Else, wait until this year sudah know got 1 million sohai get born, then plan 18 years later only build 1 million homes for these bastards to buy?
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Facts. But you'll see many even here in /k cannot accept it. Help has always been there- RUMAWIP la, PRIMA la, Rumah Selangor Ku la, MyHome la etc. But nooooo this cannot that cannot, want nice want posh want cheap n quality, like pay RM10 but expect full course dinner at Le Gavroche laugh.gif

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Nowadays not the same as before liao la. Build sendiri yes, as long you got the skills, resources, equipment, etc to support it. Else, building it yourself regardless of your skills is really a stupid quote. I also kenal a good construction team that excellent in renovating indoor and restaurants (these fellas do really good work in making KTV decors) but what use? Their handiwork good, but QC saupei. Just the KTV alone, each time after use, sure their big display panel here cacat there kantoi, really waste of material. (Can check Sichuan Grand in London, there's few spots, and all work done by the same fellas I say so)

As for buying in Malaysia, you blind ah bro?? (not being offensive but honestly, you see K punya chat until todei, you really mata sepet juling buta or what bro? Even nasi ayam they wanna KPDNK or whatever for selling 30 hinggit, you want me to buy Msia houses and charge premium? You think doable, with how stingly Malaysian and our fellow kiamsiap ktards is?)

My 31 studios up to date, only the gross sales for 31 NYE and 1st NY alone, you tau berapa or not bro? 2days private rental reaches close to 200k quid. 10 of them is 3.5k pound per nite at that 2 days. The rest between 1.5k to 2k. My studio unit facing London Eye at Wardian Canary Wharf is rented out for event, no limit free flow moet and remy, I rent that place out for 15k pound, exclusive NYE that day.

You think Malaysia I can earn this kind of quick money?

Furthermore, Here in the UK, how I BNB my studios, my choice. But if Malaysia, I bnb my posh studio for 100 ringgit per night, maybe can expect these K buggers go trash my windows liao.

I am taught a lesson dearly, even habuk you don't leave a speck to the Malaysia Market. Its a waste. Of effort and resources. Even the thought itself is wasteful of energy and metabolism. Harsh, but its true.
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boss....cannot la....need approval
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Facts. But you'll see many even here in /k cannot accept it  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 02:21 PM)
boss....cannot la....need approval
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Kampung house also need approval nowadays? Cannot sendiri reno as you like liao?

(UK I know la, if your neighbors the humgarchan all 3 floors then you max also 3 floors. want 3 1/2 also cannot) Even detached also cannot. what a humgarchans council.

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Gaji 4k car 800. Genius.

Meanwhile aku my motor 4k sekali bayar and my house 800+ je monthly.
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As long as u don't plan to put yourself into a 30 years mortgage, actually ur pressure less, the developers are also changing their strategy and planning to rent their future properties instead of selling
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how the rich get richer.......poor, poorer

brapa rumah sebenarnya ko nak?
ask urself
sebanyak mana yg mungkin la bodo

half of /k has at the very least........3-5 props, not talking bout land

limiting number or properties per owner is a good start but you all will agree or not?

implement incremental Additional Buyer's Stamp Duty to homeowners for each additional property and every other subsequent purchase
like Sg.....they've done their homework.....just copy je
confirm more ppl will be able to afford and buy their first homes
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post Jan 19 2024, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 19 2024, 09:25 PM)
I said, "limit how many properties a person", it is PLURAL, and A person, means if spouse, each can have properties under their own name or under children name.

Ofc it will not be done spontaneous, it will be done gradually, by few decades if need to, but need to stop them from acquiring any future development project that cost under 1 million, perhaps?
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I don't really understand. Why is there a need to restrict those who can afford for others inadequacy?

There are so many segments (price range) of property class. Isn't the national affordable housing policy (already with restriction) in place not good enough?

Or you want something better than that ie now 700k prop but you cannot afford it and you blame those who can for propping the price high. To you, because these ppl are buying thus making the price not coming down to your affordability? To the extend you call hoarding

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Feren father own 25 properties. Knn
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i always wonder
this is how capital market works
when a demand for a certain location gain too high for the supply to catch up
it means the certain location has reach its intended targeted thresore for development.
it will be wise to send the population to another adjacent location to develop there instead, and when the cycle repeats again, its time for greater KL to become a greater selangor.

and then slowly once the location center reach a certain economical and development thresore, it will start to slowly decline or become something else completely.

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 09:12 PM)
Haha…yaya…200k to build is really tokok…maybe he sendiri become architect, qs, ir, labor to build it up….lol
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 19 2024, 11:03 AM)
actually how hard is it to afford a rm400-500k apartment
monthly just ~rm2.3k can split among 2 person
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Well you just declared to those Single people will no never or to buy houses.
RM 400-500k apartment.

RM 2,300 monthly... Need to repay back in how many years... Near 20 years...
Provided the person couple can gain a salary boost exponentially through job hoping maybe...?

Not everyone can climb that fast in the cooperate ladder. mega_shok.gif
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QUOTE(Lada Putih @ Jan 19 2024, 11:25 PM)
i always wonder
this is how capital market works
when a demand for a certain location gain too high for the supply to catch up
it means the certain location has reach its intended targeted thresore for development.
it will be wise to send the population to another adjacent location to develop there instead, and when the cycle repeats again, its time for greater KL to become a greater selangor.

and then slowly once the location center reach a certain economical and development thresore, it will start to slowly decline or become something else completely.
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sounds like semenyih and rimbayu telok panglima garang area to me
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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ Jan 19 2024, 10:26 PM)
They'll be like wearing the mask "OK" but behind cry like hati pecah tissue lebur.
Kampung house also need approval nowadays? Cannot sendiri reno as you like liao?

(UK I know la, if your neighbors the humgarchan all 3 floors then you max also 3 floors. want 3 1/2 also cannot) Even detached also cannot. what a humgarchans council.
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Do it illegally lo…dangerous also
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QUOTE(Lada Putih @ Jan 19 2024, 11:25 PM)
i always wonder
this is how capital market works
when a demand for a certain location gain too high for the supply to catch up
it means the certain location has reach its intended targeted thresore for development.
it will be wise to send the population to another adjacent location to develop there instead, and when the cycle repeats again, its time for greater KL to become a greater selangor.

and then slowly once the location center reach a certain economical and development thresore, it will start to slowly decline or become something else completely.
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You see KL already like this…all rich move to Damansara PJ SS2 Subang

Where got local still stay in Pudu/China town area…not much…
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Feren father own 25 properties. Knn
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I don't really understand. Why is there a need to restrict those who can afford for others inadequacy?

There are so many segments (price range) of property class. Isn't the national affordable housing policy (already with restriction) in place not good enough?

Or you want something better than that ie now 700k prop but you cannot afford it and you blame those who can for propping the price high. To you, because these ppl are buying thus making the price not coming down to your affordability? To the extend you call hoarding
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Ehem…you not living in malaysia? First day heard about this theory? Uncle already heard it many many years liao…
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If kampung style, I think still wokey.

City style susah, bro. Trust me.

My 2nd studio here in London, is at a 4th level and 4 1/2 attic. I renovate it and rebuilt it to be comfortable, only to misjudge the consideration on heating, leak of cold air, windy situation that causes gempa bumi piap piap style, noisy crancky lifts disturbance, and so on. Out of my 31 studio in hand, this 2nd unit is the cheapest ever renovation I did, by getting kawan and sendiri do, just to fakap and it is now profitable, but a burning money prop to let for bnb clients. (10 client stay here, 50% complain)
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Boss…please la…property in UK is diff from malaysia…here all need cover up one….windows need to do grill like a jail….wall cannot use chipboard de…

Where got same….
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2024, 10:21 PM)
Facts. But you'll see many even here in /k cannot accept it. Help has always been there- RUMAWIP la, PRIMA la, Rumah Selangor Ku la, MyHome la etc. But nooooo this cannot that cannot, want nice want posh want cheap n quality, like pay RM10 but expect full course dinner at Le Gavroche  laugh.gif
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Boss, no jokes high rise building management is a big big big issue in near future…

Malaysia baru merdeka 50 years…still not yet see much leasehold title expiry, building rebuild, and management know how to maintenance…

Worst is gov set the guideline but no education…sure all messy coming up
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bagus.. sila continue renting from us (landlords) and dont buy.
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Do it illegally lo…dangerous also
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as usual
tok kok pandai lah lu


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As long as u don't plan to put yourself into a 30 years mortgage, actually ur pressure less, the developers are also changing their strategy and planning to rent their future properties instead of selling
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Exactly.
They earn cukup already last time they blow/leverage so much…

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as usual
tok kok pandai lah lu
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Apa tokok?
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Thanks for paying bank interest on time. Take more loans too.

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Which bank?
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Their colander how to simpan water content. Simpan sampah sarap got la. Water all bocor hilang before notice.
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You try live in KL without a car see see
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This guy has been around for quite some time. you should see his other video

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Uncle check it later no airpod now

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You first 10 properties is the hardest

After that it's smooth sailing
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 11:46 PM)
You see KL already like this…all rich move to Damansara PJ SS2 Subang

Where got local still stay in Pudu/China town area…not much…
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Those location you mentioned are slowly declining as well
Next one should be puchong kinrara equine park
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 11:52 PM)
Boss, no jokes high rise building management is a big big big issue in near future…

Malaysia baru merdeka 50 years…still not yet see much leasehold title expiry, building rebuild, and management know how to maintenance…

Worst is gov set the guideline but no education…sure all messy coming up
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We're talking about home ownership or leasehold expiry here? If everything also scared leasehold expiry or building mgmt then no need buy homes lor.

If you can't afford that landed property then start off with something cheaper and slowly build from there la.

When I first started out, I bought a crappy 850sf apartment for RM115k, that was me n wifey first home. We saved as much as possible minimizing on spending useless stuff like starbucks, posh dinners, expensive holidays etc to maximize the repayment, and also utilized epf acct-B further reduce the loan. 10 years later the apartment was fully paid off (loan tenure was 25 years) and we were able to sell it off and used the proceeds to buy our dream landed property. Bear in mind I wasn't even drawing RM5k salary at that time.

Point here is, your first house may not necessary be your permanent home, but at least get something that belongs to YOU no matter how crappy it is. That's because the monthly installments goes to YOUR own property rather than renting and paying for SOMEONE ELSE'S home installment. Then you can consider upgrading when your financials are better. Even if worst case scenario you're stuck and unable to progress much in your career and salary, at the very least you still have your OWN roof over your head.

It very much depends on your mindset and how you plan for your finances, not just whining about location la, quality la, maintenance issues la or leasing expiry la or limiting ownership (I thought we not communists?)
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 03:50 PM)
Boss…please la…property in UK is diff from malaysia…here all need cover up one….windows need to do grill like a jail….wall cannot use chipboard de…

Where got same….
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Of coz la, I renovate London Home leh, I sure know my own stuff and mafan stuff. But if you ask me Malaysia, I manatau???? All I know is we all live in Sarang Jail Bifotis! (not my case la, my parents stay desapak, takut aper lel...)

QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 03:56 PM)
You try live in KL without a car see see
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Aiyo, naturally la. But at my stage nowadays, I'll just grab or uber all the way until end of days.
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 11:52 PM)
Boss, no jokes high rise building management is a big big big issue in near future…

Malaysia baru merdeka 50 years…still not yet see much leasehold title expiry, building rebuild, and management know how to maintenance…

Worst is gov set the guideline but no education…sure all messy coming up
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Redevelopment is more common than most realized e.g klcc, TRX, PNB 118, bbcc, kl sentral, pavillion Damansara, etc. As for residential, given locals mentality and culture, >50 years old condo is likely in a state of disrepair, will only worth the value of the land it sit on and lease hold is unlikely will be renewed by all owners.

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 20 2024, 12:38 AM)
Point here is, your first house may not necessary be your permanent home, but at least get something that belongs to YOU no matter how crappy it is. That's because the monthly installments goes to YOUR own property rather than renting and paying for SOMEONE ELSE'S home installment. Then you can consider upgrading when your financials are better. Even if worst case scenario you're stuck and unable to progress much in your career and salary, at the very least you still have your OWN roof over your head.

It very much depends on your mindset and how you plan for your finances, not just whining about location la, quality la, maintenance issues la or leasing expiry la or limiting ownership (I thought we not communists?)
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Historically and prudently, one is supposed to climb poorperly ladder with rising income while keeping dsr below 20%. However, most in this country are encouraged by developers, uuu/bbb and SA agent to jump into bigger and more expensive unit. Hence, many homeowners are financially stretched.

Poorperly price is a product of supply and demand. Until overhang is reduced substantially, price will remain suppressed.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 20 2024, 06:41 AM)
Redevelopment is more common than most realized e.g klcc, TRX, PNB 118, bbcc, kl sentral, pavillion Damansara, etc. As for residential, given locals mentality and culture, >50 years old condo is likely in a state of disrepair, will only worth the value of the land it sit on and lease hold is unlikely will be renewed by all owners.
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Uncle agree
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QUOTE(Lada Putih @ Jan 19 2024, 11:25 PM)
i always wonder
this is how capital market works
when a demand for a certain location gain too high for the supply to catch up
it means the certain location has reach its intended targeted thresore for development.
it will be wise to send the population to another adjacent location to develop there instead, and when the cycle repeats again, its time for greater KL to become a greater selangor.

and then slowly once the location center reach a certain economical and development thresore, it will start to slowly decline or become something else completely.
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Demographic change with time and sentiment. Popular and on demand residential area shifted from tmn seputeh, bangsar, Damansara utama, bu, mk to dpc in the last few decades. New money tend to chase new area.

QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 11:46 PM)
You see KL already like this…all rich move to Damansara PJ SS2 Subang

Where got local still stay in Pudu/China town area…not much…
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Worldwide, locals tend to move out to suburbs, while new migrants occupy city center. If fewer migrants arrive, city center tend to degenerate.

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Gaji 4k car 800. Genius.

Meanwhile aku my motor 4k sekali bayar and my house 800+ je monthly.
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My pay is 3k plus, I also pay 800 plus for the bezza. Is not like there are better choice.
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You try live in KL without a car see see
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I lol at this statement. I move to KL at 19. I never own a car until marriage at 34. Heck lesen kereta pun xde. Even today I don’t have a car, guna kereta bini at times. But for my day to day I guna either motor or public transport.

I only get lesen because I don’t feel safe with my wife driving as she has intense fear of insect.

In fact I would argue duduk KL la the best way to survive without a car as the public transport is significantly better than the other states in the country.
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My pay is 3k plus, I also pay 800 plus for the bezza.  Is not like there are better choice.
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lol I disagree but to each their own sebab aku malas nak gado pasal ukur baju di badan sendiri.
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lol I disagree but to each their own sebab aku malas nak gado pasal ukur baju di badan sendiri.
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Demographic change with time and sentiment. Popular and on demand residential area shifted from tmn seputeh, bangsar, Damansara utama, bu, mk to dpc in the last few decades. New money tend to chase new area.
Worldwide, locals tend to move out to suburbs, while new migrants occupy city center. If fewer migrants arrive, city center tend to degenerate.
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I lol at this statement. I move to KL at 19. I never own a car until marriage at 34. Heck lesen kereta pun xde. Even today I don’t have a car, guna kereta bini at times. But for my day to day I guna either motor or public transport.

I only get lesen because I don’t feel safe with my wife driving as she has intense fear of insect.

In fact I would argue duduk KL la the best way to survive without a car as the public transport is significantly better than the other states in the country.
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Cina cannot ride motor one.
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Not cannot.

Cina budak want ride motor but cina parents not allow.


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What is your age now?
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you bought landed or hi-rise?
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It’s apartment

QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 09:23 PM)
Exactly. 👍🏻

Because of house loan, you being locked for 35 years and restricted to grow further freely.

Even you want to change job, you also need to think many times…
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QUOTE(emino @ Jan 20 2024, 08:00 AM)
I lol at this statement. I move to KL at 19. I never own a car until marriage at 34. Heck lesen kereta pun xde. Even today I don’t have a car, guna kereta bini at times. But for my day to day I guna either motor or public transport.

I only get lesen because I don’t feel safe with my wife driving as she has intense fear of insect.

In fact I would argue duduk KL la the best way to survive without a car as the public transport is significantly better than the other states in the country.
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Again (i have read a few of your posts here), this is priority settings and sacrifices made to fruition.

Realisations, sendiri and own family jugak yang dapat, not anyone else.

You are the man

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 20 2024, 08:51 AM)
Not cannot.

Cina budak want ride motor but cina parents not allow.
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because if mati cannot ganti balik
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 20 2024, 08:51 AM)
Not cannot.

Cina budak want ride motor but cina parents not allow.
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Because bilangan kita sudah kekurangan. Tiada gantian barisan simpanan 😅😅

Cina only play ping pong and not football

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 19 2024, 11:57 AM)
yes correct, however those are now beginning to become studio units <500sf kind

so its a good makeshift home for 2 but one will def need more space when starting up family. the inescapable cycle
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The problem with studio units is that their price go down, not up.

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Because bilangan kita sudah kekurangan. Tiada gantian barisan simpanan 😅😅

Cina only play ping pong and not football
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Cina only buy new cars. 2nd hand cars no face
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post Jan 20 2024, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(smallydupe @ Jan 20 2024, 10:27 AM)
because if mati cannot ganti balik
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jan 20 2024, 10:31 AM)
Because bilangan kita sudah kekurangan. Tiada gantian barisan simpanan 😅😅

Cina only play ping pong and not football
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QUOTE(Balanced @ Jan 20 2024, 11:05 AM)
Cina only buy new cars. 2nd hand cars no face
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haha....correct
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post Jan 20 2024, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(emino @ Jan 20 2024, 09:20 AM)
38 this year
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congrats.....got baby already?
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post Jan 20 2024, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(iammasivers @ Jan 20 2024, 10:19 AM)
It’s apartment
Yea. I have shitty boss gotta bite the bullet and bear with it just so that can pay the mortgage. Really take a toll on my health. Cant simply take career break because got bills to pay and savings not enough.
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fully understand....

that's why my kids are lucky....

because whenever they fail they still can come back home
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post Jan 20 2024, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(Balanced @ Jan 20 2024, 11:05 AM)
Cina only buy new cars. 2nd hand cars no face
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I think more towards mind-fcuk -free dealing with pomen, workshop parang etc.


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post Jan 20 2024, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Jan 19 2024, 10:46 AM)
No reason to buy house when my dad already buy one for me
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you diam!!! mad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif mad.gif
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post Jan 20 2024, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 20 2024, 12:56 AM)
You try live in KL without a car see see
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KL is probably THE best place in Malaysia to not have your own transport.
Best public tranport network (in the country), traffic jams out the wazoo, exorbitant parking rates, etc.

Everywhere else you definitely need a vehicle, unless the bus service is decent.
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post Jan 20 2024, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Jan 19 2024, 10:13 AM)
Limit max to 2 houses is okay already.

But boomers buy lot of houses nowadays ARE to provide for their children ahead in future though.
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Yup

I bought for my 2 kids already, they are 2 & 4 yrs old
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post Jan 20 2024, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Jan 20 2024, 08:13 PM)
Yup

I bought for my 2 kids already, they are 2 & 4 yrs old
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Can I be your khai son ?
No need big house. Small 600sft apartment I happy.
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post Jan 20 2024, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jan 20 2024, 08:19 PM)
Can I be your khai son ?
No need big house.   Small 600sft apartment I happy.
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I bought those properties about 10 years ago

These days too expensive

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darkmusses
post Jan 20 2024, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 19 2024, 10:14 AM)
as always... salah house buyers, not developers, not cement/steel/sand makers.

You go check how much steel/ sand price first. Those are unchecked inflation.

You cant even build a landed double storey house now with 200K even you are given land for free.
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Why must double story and not single story ? doh.gif

Also, smaller sq for double story if insist ?
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post Jan 20 2024, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(hteekay @ Jan 19 2024, 10:55 AM)
If studio apartment didn't costs over RM100k, I'd buy one by now...
Farking stupid shit costs almost RM200k
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Low cost house kan ada .. Besides that, we stil have PRIMA, RUMAWIP etc as first house
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post Jan 20 2024, 08:41 PM

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House in Malaysia cheap like peanuts...still complain unaffordable? The barrier of entry is so low as well...if like that also cannot afford then just give up on life, you really failed.
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post Jan 20 2024, 08:44 PM

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The new gens live a YOLO life. Drive city or civic as starter car, drink starbucks and zus, go movie weekly and dates. Pandan muka la. No need to help them
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QUOTE(hollyweed @ Jan 19 2024, 04:17 PM)
my mom did this to all of my siblings..
but 1 person only get 1 property each.
Basically the best is just rent it out to get passive income without wasting any effort & time.
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1 person can stay in 1 property only unless you can spilt your body .. apa lagi mau when each given free (bonus) on top of each earning their own (IF)
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post Jan 20 2024, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Jan 20 2024, 08:13 PM)
Yup

I bought for my 2 kids already, they are 2 & 4 yrs old
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post Jan 20 2024, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Jan 19 2024, 11:56 PM)
You try live in KL without a car see see
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I live in KL w/o car .. using e-hailing and public transport (MRT/LRT) and sometimes metered taxi ever since I graduated til now
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post Jan 20 2024, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(darkmusses @ Jan 20 2024, 08:26 PM)
Why must double story and not single story ?  doh.gif

Also, smaller sq for double story if insist ?
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some say better buy big house, so future no need buy again, coz will kahwin and family will grow bigger
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post Jan 20 2024, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(darkmusses @ Jan 20 2024, 09:24 PM)
I live in KL w/o car .. using e-hailing and public transport (MRT/LRT) and sometimes metered taxi ever since I graduated til now
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Maybe because you’re in office job?

 

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