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post Jan 5 2024, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jan 4 2024, 11:44 PM)
Maybe can post an intro on this. I also don't know what's padu and now everyone talking about it.
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Yes, updated a bit using info from the star and some link. Lol.
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post Jan 5 2024, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 5 2024, 07:48 AM)
No / less commitment???

So basically your is "cash rich"... No or less subsidies $$$ for you 😔
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Bro gashout is crypto rich...PADU don't have section for crypto...i have to talk to Rafizi later today about this over lunch. laugh.gif
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post Jan 8 2024, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(kitkat21 @ Jan 8 2024, 12:10 AM)
Think of current Padu as version 1 .0 software.

To be honest, i'm wary of signing up for Padu (yeah.....i know its voluntary). The few major leaks in recent years from govt databases and telcos mean many of the key info on you are already out in the wild....

Padu is a system developed entirely by Malaysian civil servants....don;t mean to diss them but i have never heard the IT pros in the civil service at the tech forefront in terms of world-class tech innovations and world-class cybersecurity as acknowledged by independent global outfits. Have you? Because the product has to be of world-class calibre and follow global best practices to be able to resist constant attempts to break into this treasure trove of info from all corners of the world.

I would be partly reassured if the Padu system had been opened to the world's top white hackers to do stress/penetration tests for 6 months to a year prior to rollout and see whether Padu comes out on top. If it remains impenetrable (NO online system is breach-proof but can be made breach-resistant), then the world knows Padu is the Fort Knox and gold standard by which govt databases the world over  shld modelled after.

As some IT experts have proposed, it would be better to follow Singapore way to create an API gateway to tap into existing databases in various govt agencies to avoid reinventing the wheel. Or have a hybrid model along that line.
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Agreed. There has been so many security breaches even with better managed organization....and this one, all runs by NOOBs. Think very hard before you upload your IC...

QUOTE(ronnie @ Jan 8 2024, 08:05 AM)
just think from your Govt perspective would you be given subsidy based on your current income ?
if you think yes, register.
if you think no, don't register
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i think like this:
If you think you are currently already qualified, don't register.
If you think you are currently not qualified, but the subsidy is insignificant to you, don't register.
If you think you are currently not qualified, but the subsidy is important to you, and by pumping additional data makes you qualified due to your heavy commitments, please wait until last minute before register. Need to see how it plays out the next few months first.

Lastly, i believe the closing of registration is Hogwash. Those information they are capturing needs to be updated frequently at least once a year, else what's the point of PADU if they keep using old data? And there are new young people to register also.

The threat of registration closing is just to trigger FOMO and fool people to register without thinking further.
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post Jan 10 2024, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(kitkat21 @ Jan 10 2024, 03:43 PM)
BfM radio podcast today weighed in on Padu, with opinions from two expert observers. Hosted by Richard Bradbury. The experts have affirmed what I have already expressed in this forum.

Coming out with the physical Padu database, the gist of their reaction was: Why, oh why? It's an inelegant solution. The insinuation is that the Madani Govt had received bad advice. We would like to know who is the adviser who proposed Padu.

The podcast is a great listen.

Check it out at: https://www.bfm.my/podcast/enterprise/enter...digital-product
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Menteri Ekonomi, who else!
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post Jan 13 2024, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(dummies @ Jan 13 2024, 02:29 PM)
my father falls into T20 category and currently my sister and I two of us studied in university (one local and one oversea), and he also needs to take care my grandparents too, my mum is working. In this case, should my dad fill up the data in PADU because he thinks his chance to get the subsidy will be slim even he fill it up because gomen said no more subsidy for T20. anyone with similar situation here?
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The way I sees it...PADU is to reduce subsidy...meaning hunting for people who are richer than they are ...not looking to give subsidy to T20 who are not rich enough...else what's the point of PADU...just give a blanket subsidy, no need to do so many work.

On the flip side, you also have nothing to lose...unless you have other incomes the gov don't know yet, then don't declare.

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 13 2024, 04:04 PM)
or basically one knows one will not be able to get any subsidies if the database is updated properly with info that the gov definitely can get their hands on.

eg: previously I officially don't have any taxable income and hence my filing in lhdn will reflect this fact.
unfortunately, once they tie in the EPF balance, no chance for me to get subsidies already. So no point updating the PADU system anymore, as PADU also asked for other info that the gov currently don't have access to, like your interest income and dividend income.
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Yes, problem is we don't know the criterias. It is totally not transparent. If EPF savings is a factor, whatever you and i fill in PADU also useless already. Best bet is not to do anything.


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QUOTE(magika @ Jan 20 2024, 02:21 PM)
Any definition of household members ? Over 21 children consider household if living at same place. What about children living in other places ?
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I think you can go in and check lah. Just create account, but don't do the IC upload and submit. Just check what they need you to fill.
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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...ce-says-armizan

PADANG BESAR: The government will conduct efforts to retarget subsidies in phases this year with improvements on social assistance, says Datuk Armizan Mohd Ali.

The Domestic Trade and Cost of Living Minister said his ministry, the Finance Ministry and the Economy Ministry are in discussions to refine "cash transfers" provided to the people, including the Rahmah Cash Aid (STR), by considering the subsidy retargeting efforts.


“We will carry out retargeting of subsidies in phases which will involve the diesel and RON95 components,” he told reporters after attending the Rahmah Sale programme, here Saturday (Jan 20).

He said among the improvements for the STR is to raise the amount and expand the assistance to a larger target group, adding that Malaysians should update their details on the Central Database Hub (Padu).

Padu is crucial in assisting the government to channel social assistance to the target groups and prevent individuals from being excluded, he added.

Meanwhile, Armizan said the government’s commitment to helping the people was evident when it announced on Friday (Jan 19) that the amount for the Sumbangan Asas Rahmah (Sara) cash aid will be increased to RM1,200 this year from RM600 last year.

“It involves a significant allocation. Last year, RM130mil was set aside, but this year the allocation has increased to RM700mil, in terms of the recipients, it only involved the hardcore poor last year, but this year, it will also benefit poor individuals, which is an increase of 700,000 recipients from 210,000,” he said.

On the Rahmah Sale, Armizan said the ministry will expand the programme to ensure that the people continue to benefit from it, in line with the increase in the allocation set aside for the imitative from RM100mil last year to RM200mil this year. - Bernama

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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Jan 21 2024, 09:02 AM)
It's expected.

STR is the way to distribute cash aid
That's why PADU need bank account number.
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Erm, they already have the bank account in LHDN, this is how they currently distribute the STR.
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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Jan 21 2024, 01:29 PM)
if I'm not mistaken. in STR website also one needed to fill up Applicant Bank account details. and your spouse bank details too.
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Ah yes, probably from there. There is absolutely no reason why PADU needs to ask this question again since already have the info.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 22 2024, 04:35 PM)
All civil servants directed to update data on Padu by Feb 15

The instruction was issued by Public Service Department director-general Datuk Seri Wan Ahmad Dahlan Abdul Aziz via a circular dated Jan 17, which was posted on the department's official Facebook account today.

The circular was addressed to secretaries-general of all ministries, all heads of departments at the federal-level, state secretaries and heads of all statutory bodies at the federal-, state-, and local government- levels.

https://www.nst.com.my/news/government-publ...ata-padu-feb-15
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Not Compulsory, but PaksaRela. laugh.gif
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post Jan 22 2024, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 22 2024, 06:26 PM)
around 5% +/- only people applied so far...
government feel "pressured". only way to increase is to "force" Civil Servants to fill up PADU...
got 1mil application guaranteed  brows.gif
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https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/01/...ches-13-million

4.7% only. Whole Malaysia came read our thread here, all don't want to register. Later Menteri Ekonomi come ban this thread. 😂
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 23 2024, 02:13 PM)
The last few days news been of interest... not trying to do fear mongering.

Can see what is happening to certain wife/kid/relative of politicians... MACC asking them to declare their assets...

My genuine question is when we declare stuff to PADU, what does it entail?

NONETHELESS, I doubt MACC or LHDN is so free to come after all who declared stuff in PADU, but one should still be aware of the implications.

and whats the real benefit for those who filled up PADU? 100rm worth of fuel subsidies per month?
(and i don't think we will get 1rm subsidy for 1 litre of petrol lor... 100rm per month is like subsidizing 100 liter for month)
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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...ntry-says-anwar

Read here.

The real purpose of PADU?? Pikir pikir lah sendiri.....

Remember...the ULTIMATE OBJECTIVE is to TO REDUCE SUBSIDY. NOT ENLARGING THE SUBSIDY to see if you kecian M40 4 kids going to University, or has a big house or car loan, not making enough...



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QUOTE(Mijac @ Jan 23 2024, 06:23 PM)
Can Penjawat Awam ‘ingkar arahan’ ??
I thought  Penjawat Awam have to imitate arahan Pekeliling JPA?

So daring to disobey arahan?

What are the consequences, if any?
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Tak ada kenaikan gred dan pangkat. brows.gif

Really disgusting this gov. Using thinly veiled threat on civil servants and rakyat.

If they want people to declare, why not just upgrade LHDN BE form to get additional info? No need to pusing pusing, sneaky like this. Put in LHDN, then state what are the purpose and benefits and how is it measure. Don't play farking games.

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Jan 23 2024, 07:41 PM)
actually... they will get a surge by Feb 15 since 'directive' already given to all Gov servants to reg

but what you mentioned is true as well just by looking at how tax filing trend works biggrin.gif

now they keep asking you to reg by saying if you dont reg later not given subsidy dont cry f cry m.. playing mind game? brows.gif
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I can say this is a total lie. How can they stop people updating their details? Then there's no purpose to PADU if it only register once and still use the same data 10 years later.

Rafizi is a shit liar.
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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Jan 23 2024, 11:56 PM)
Need to wait for that Rafizi guy to clear things up on criteria for subsidies....

Who actually getting & who not....

From the looks of it..
Registration seems slow down... Many having doubt...

Now asking penjawat awam to fill up... As if they don't know the staff income since it's government that pay salary monthly....
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He suspect all the civil servant got side income not declared.... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Jan 24 2024, 08:53 AM)
Actually there's truth on that.
Some I personally know does some side income jobs especially teachers. Some do in house, some at center. Confirm additional 2k above depending on the subject you teach & total students...
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Likely those who declared extra 2k, all no subsidies. laugh.gif
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From 1.6mil to 30 million in days? Wanna cheat who...
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QUOTE(magika @ Jan 25 2024, 01:03 PM)
Prefilled data from multiple different database ? Mine almost xero. Can anyone update whether theirs filled to the brim with data ?  biggrin.gif
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Mine also got 1 or 2 items got info only. Rest all Kopi O Kosong.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 25 2024, 01:05 PM)
many of us is all blank page... 

already married for years but stated as "single" laugh.gif
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