CFMoto 1250tr-g

est RM 89, xxx. xx
almost same as china price...











This post has been edited by basilisk: Nov 25 2023, 02:28 PM

engine from ktm v-twin.. i think safe to say 1250NK similar to superduke also coming?

no android or car play

wah.. already open for booking..

can test drive this ah

they dont hv test model yet ler...

Not even CN reviewer.. or I could be looking at the wrong venue?

maybe soon
but looking at google this bike announced since 2020 so maybe got production issue

Our biggest beef with the CFmoto brand is the after-sales service with Mforce which is open only during office hours (weekdays only).

It's a royal pain in the ass.

My wife's bike mysteriously died on her way to work last Saturday (I suspect it's ignition-related) and since it's technically still under warranty she had it towed to Mforce and left it there in front of the guardhouse after filling in the forms. No news from them for the whole week until I called them on Fri. That's when I was told they had just decided to prepare to have the bike sent to Penang.

Refused to tell me what's wrong with it. Although they said it'll take 2 weeks, I knew better than to believe it lah. Will probably take a whole effing month.

Not impressed.

Meanwhile, we're expecting the tyres to need replacements once the bike passes the 25000km mark. Finding a replacement set for that 18" + 17" combo is proving to be fucking aggravating...

that sucks to hear.. tbh that's what keeping me from pulling the trigger to get 800nk

first model + mforce handling, if any issue come up then have to wait more than 1 month to fix
and don't think there are any 3rd party workshop that can work on cfmoto issues too

That's the thing. When we bought the bike, the distributorship was under KTNS and they had a small network of service centers in Klang Valley. That changed when Mforce took over, who promptly cancelled this network and tapao all official after-sales & warranty-related work for themselves.

Stuff that involves error codes obviously needs a special OBD tool which most workshops won't have, although some may now have it. But if the bike is still under warranty, you hv no choice but to put up with Mforce lor.

Mforce tapao everything for all the Chinese brands it represents. So you can imagine the fucking queue of bikes every day at Mforce in Segambut. The only other outlet I know is in Seri Kembangan or something... so far lehhh, fukk dat!

Sorry to hear that. MForce is the only bugbear when it comes to Chinese bikes here. If something goes wrong with the bike, it would be weeks before it gets sorted out.

I think you can find Bridgestone T32s in the 18/17 combo. I think that's what our own ajaibman uses on his. What I want to know is how did you make the MT60s last 25000kms? Lol.

Shit I missed this.
Haiya.

We to Thailand survey campsite today. If I knew earlier surely I'd go to the test ride event.

Gentle throttle hand, no burnouts. LOL. My Anakee Adventures are holding up well too at 22000km, although the rear has started to square off. Still got some ways to go before both hit the treadwear indicator, but I'll start looking for replacements once I pass the 25000km mark.

T32s most shops have to order, as a result they're around RM1500 a pair. Niamah...

Ouch

That's the thing about MForce bikes. Some comes with good tyres but after market don't have replacements

The CLX adventure and Motomorini xcape comes with excellent scorpion STRs....but no one brings those sizes here.

It's one of the reasons keeping me from buying the CLX. Damn tough to find good sporting 18" fronts.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Dec 11 2023, 12:27 AM

got wht parts?
full with order option?
dont jz sell oil filter ....

Later say pre-order only. Hahahaha. Wait 1 month to arrive.

Ultimately it depends on Mforce's commitment for older customer bikes. But can MForce really stock up so many parts for so many bike models they sell/sold? If you buy an MForce bike, you are likely pretty much on your own for parts.

Wife's bike towed to Mforce Dec 2. No sound no picture from them until I called them up on Dec 8 when they told me they were preparing to send the bike to CFmoto Penang.

Today Dec 18, we called up Mforce Penang and they haven't even looked at the bike yet. So they dunno what's wrong with it and dunno when we'll get it back.

Walao ehh....

Damn man, good bike let down by horrible service. Send to hq also get treated like crap.

what bike does your wife ride ?

Yea this is currently what holding me from pulling trigger on CFMoto. Things that I consider when purchasing bike - after-sales support efficiency and community/owner gathering events.

I see other countries like US, EU, Aus and Philippines doing relatively well on this 2 aspect.

While Malaysia side a bit let down, see Instagram official no longer update as if no more event going around (like community ride or gathering events, whereas FB only update test ride event shj). Unlike other brand such as Triumph or RE under Didi doing community ride events support to push sales + awareness

Would like to see some improvement on that matter (if their representative is reading this) and more owners sharing. The only group i see slightly active is 800MT community and small bunch of 450SR.

Got outside workshop can do CFMoto, if warranty is not an issue.. can do in any big bike shop that use to do either Kawasaki or KTMs.

the CLX700 and 650 series. 80% Er6 Kawa engine with bore-up pistons and Titanium valves.

Just the electronics run by Bosch with "KTMesque" wiring..

Yes, M-Force sucks when it comes to aftersales service for all of their brands at least in the Central region, don't have the familiarity with their Jawi HQ in Penang.

This post has been edited by ajaibman: Dec 18 2023, 09:16 PM

800NK using 80% ER6 kawa engine, not the duke 790 engine ke same like 800MT?

Can try T32 Bridgestone for a more biased tire pattern, both back and front sizes are available in MY.

Ah sorry, I was referring to CLX700 series of parallel engines.

800 MT and NK is a copy of the KTM Duke 790 engine.

I guess the engine is the part that you don't really need to worry about since its based on reliable platform, but rather the electronics.
Troubleshooting + ordering = kena sidai?

But looks like most of the 800MT guys are happy bunch so maybe not much to worry about

Not sure about that "sidai" part, but from my experience ordering stuff directly from CFMoto CN dealership via Taobao is very fast (took only 3 days for the brake disc rotor and pads to arrive).

Just need to find the right mechanic in MY who is accustomed to doing Continental bikes especially when it comes to the electronics part.

how do you search for the parts at taobao?

Search the part number online

https://cfmoto.motohobi.ee/product/2022-motorcycle-cf700-2a

once found search for it on Taobao,

off course is not a direct hit result but in most cases, it was the closest of the kind, then from there chat with the seller to check.

if don't know chinese how

Neither do I ...

This response win hahaha.

If there's a will, there's a way.

Kawen bini cina. Mine is the Queen of Taobao... SRJK & Guangzhou mari lololol...

not copy of duke 790 engine. Actually both 800NK and 800MT have the same engine with KTM duke 790, they are on the same production line.

just that the tuning of engine/ECU/throttle are done by CFMOTO themself.

Mana beli, bro? Aku tanya kedai, semua bilang mesti mau order... harga RM1500 tak lari... damn cilaka coz this T32 model was launched a friggin' decade ago!

Call Chan bikers see. He even managed to get 18" rear for my old Yamaha lol but needed to wait a few days

Sunny Cycle, 1200++ for 2 depan belakang..

Aussie pricing released.
Cheaper than ktm 390 adventure.

Hngghhhhhh

Today 22 Dec, still no picture no sound from Mforce Penang. Called them up. They still haven't even looked at the bike. Next week baru tengok, they said. Perghhhh... pook kai hamkarchan....

then say next week cannot because christmas and new year..
then next next week cannot also because prepare for cny.

look like the Mforce after sales is very very bad according to you case

We're looking maybe at RM32-34K maybe or less, and RE450 should be price similar

Yikes, looks like MForce aftersales really eat full sell bao (吃饱卖包 in canto)

Below rm30k I'm definitely getting one.

Maybe cos its using ktm dtuffs ? My fren had a 1290 ktmadverure and that thing had a forever ignition issue. Finally they sent it to the ktm plant in juru. Over there they changed thr whooe ignition system under warranty but when he went riding and the bike died on him. So he kecut and sold off the bike.

I doubt is gonna be less than RM30k, 450SR already 28800, we'll be lucky to get <RM32k

Well today my wife hounded them again coz as usual no picture no sound from them. This fella by the name of Wan asked her if she had serviced the bike, to which she said of course and always by the book at GS Cycle where she bought it from. Then he went on about this bike needing to be serviced every 2000km (which is utter pig shit, coz he thinks he can con a woman rider any way he wants). Basically he avoided telling her what's wrong with it, so we knew the bastards never even touched her bike yet after almost 1 month. Then he gave Mforce's infamous, "2 minggu lagi" rubbish. By now we all know what that means lah.

cf what?

Walao the dude on the phone still stuck in old kapcai mentality ar. Even rs150 also recommended service interval 5k km if not mistaken. Triumph engine all pecah already la 16k km interval.

Do keep us updated on your case

In hindsight, we probably could have gotten it fixed immediately at GS Cycle had we not decided to claim warranty.

I really suspect it's just a RM10 relay or something. But these Mforce fuckers are either understaffed or overloaded to really honour their after-sales commitment.

Maybe a case of Mforce Segambut toolan coz too much year-end work so taichi to Mforce Penang so that they can cuci tangan, then Mforce Penang toolan coz they're forced to deal with Mforce Segambut's shit. Owner suffer lah.

I'll probably tekan GS Cycle too in this case, since you're buying from them as well. They have to support you to chase as well since you're a customer to them not just to MForce.

Should've record the convo between that staff who say 2000km service interval, kasi balik to the upper management how they train staff or kasi viralkan social to pressure them.

Yesterday they sent my wife a quotation for her to pay, even though the bike is still under warranty. First they claimed they had to tear down the whole engine so it needs fresh engine oil when reassembled. Then they said the bike is almost due for a major service at 20000km anyway, so might as well do it.

My problem with this is:

1) Engine tear down! At under 20000km? What the fuck????
2) They still *REFUSED* to say what the problem is. Huge red flag.
3) Manual says major svc is not due until 40000km.
4) The parts they quoted are not stuff needed for major service. Air filter, coolant & brake fluid all need to be replaced at 20000km. Either they don't know, they're incompetent or they're bullshitting my wife.
5) If they really had torn down the engine, they should definitely charge for coolant as well. The fact they didn't is telling.
6) They backdated the quotation. Sales ppl do this to pad their numbers, which may reveal the actual motivation behind this amount.

I'm starting to think Mforce ppl are full of shit & they're not honest.

This post has been edited by ZZR-Pilot: Jan 3 2024, 05:22 AM


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By acting like that, they're just shooting themselves in the foot. They should always follow the maintenance schedule as specified by the factory like all respectable authorized dealers should, unless it is an extraordinary situation that arose. This action does not do well for any future sales. It will probably scare more people away from the brand which I feel has pretty good products. As usual the key is many times, the people handling the brand.

did you ask your wife to ask then what is the root cause for current issue ?

susah la maciam ni...

what a sleazy bunch.. official people also cant do their job properly

Okay so I finally got clarification from one of the technicians named Evan. He finally tells me what the problem is - 2x bent exhaust valves in one of the cylinders. He explains that it is due to a loose 'valve guard' (whatever that is) from the factory, so it's a manufacturer defect and not due to user negligence or abuse.

So they have started doing a top overhaul for this bike. If that's the case then it makes sense they wanna change the oil, filter and plugs only, coz they would have removed the top end and valvetrain off the engine block.

It would have been so much easier if they had explained this much earlier.

This explanation puts Mforce in the clear, so they're not the shysters I thought they were before. Mea culpa.

That aside, I dunno why I keep ending up with lemon bikes... sighh... kena mandi bungalah, buang sial...

new year new bike...

Not to troll, but having identify it is a manufacturing defect, the invoiced consumables are still billable?

idk.. but oil change always get charged even under warranty

I can imagine the relief. But keeping a customer in the dark for months is still unacceptable.

However you case isn't unique..heard quite a few owners have had bikes parked for a long time waiting for troubleshooting.

I think it's a manpower issue. Everyone taichi ..end up nothing gets done. They are probably swamped at the service centre....as you guess, segambut probably just ships everything back to PG.

Checking for a no start, no run problem is actually quite simple and straightforward. First check for spark and fuel. Then compression and leak down test.


First the Dominar, now the CLX... U sure got bad luck with cheap bikes.

1250 TRG launched with RM88,888 price

1279cc ktm v-twin engine, 12 inch tft screen, come with side box

not even 90k..
really competing with other sports touring like gsx-s1000gt, ninja 1000sx, ktm adventure already 100k+

wonder how would the v-twin feels like compared to 4-inline for a bike this big

and waiting for cfmoto 'super-duke' with this engine





This post has been edited by Patent: Jan 11 2024, 12:42 PM

Maybe it would feel a bit like the BMW R1250RT which is also a big cc 2-cylinder bike? The beemer is a boxer though.

the look very similar to the beemer, and use 1250 name also

and this model is not released in europe or america yet.. my guess is probably some compliance issue?

so far only china and malaysia have this model

V2 and Boxer, lots of low down torque, but it might have more responsive throttle due to the more direct drive chain instead of shaft in BMW.

On the downside, Chain Maintenance lor...

From the feedback of KTM 1290 owner, this bike got electronic sensitivity, ensure the Battery is fully optimize, below 90% of health, will show lots of christmas tree light in the dashboard (even though its not really electrical or sensory issue)

But IMHO, to pay 89k of wealth for a Mainland bike.... I'll wait for now thanks.. (80% due to MForce )

This post has been edited by ajaibman: Jan 11 2024, 03:26 PM

the electronics are handled by cfmoto right? so might not have same issue with ktm

800nk also still no local review
I guess china bike + mforce reputation arent helping the sales

fler 185cm

Haha their test ride bike also limited and have to rotate between their dealer nationwide, macam like no media bike for review 😅.

I'm surprise they didn't push more on the 800 lineup since much more value.

Adoi, surely not a bike for shorties...

Their parts management and lack of service network? Service quality?

Hahahaha as how one of our friends does, better buy used. 1st owner has taken the depreciation...generally used bikes (not modified) are well cared for...I did mention generally ya.

for power train it like scooter, i mean just trottle, or this 6 speed gear?

still normal 6 speed gear, but got quickshifter

seat design very important.

Very true. Like the new Triumph Daytona 660, they have an optional low seat so the height is only 785mm from 810mm. I think this is a feature all bike manufacturers need to have. Cars have adjustable seats. Why not bikes?

i owned Dominar 400, CBR650R, 800MT and now 800NK

800NK is really a fun bike, really no brainer to get this for 38k ish compare to a KTM 790 at around 70K...

The bike throttle improved tremendously, even better then 800MT. Brake is also good, suspension and build quality...really cant find any downside except there is no TC.

Power is super, i think the fun factor is on par with MT09. and u only need phone to unlock the bike...(they gave wireless key as well)

together with carplay...

Wonder if anyone in here owns the 450 SR?

great to hear. is it easy to use the screen for google map/waze for navigation?

Good, if they sell enough NKs maybe MForce will support the bike and owners more. Kudos being the brave soul that would still give MForce a chance.

Since you have an 800NK, did yours come with a USB charging port? Right side, under the tank fairing?

Dealer seems to be unsure if it's standard item included with the bike. Which is really weird, since China manufacturer usually throws everything in....which is even weirder as they DID give you every option as standard on the NK. Dealer says have to buy separately. (Around 100). From which dealer did you get your NK from?

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Jan 17 2024, 11:57 AM

Went around asking in Sentul, NKS quoted RM1400 siap pasang for a set of T32s made 10 months ago. Malas nak fikir panjang, so they went on the bike so that I have one less thing to worry about while the wife resumes commuting on the bike.

Got the bike back after 1.5 months. Mforce Segambut now tells me the defect was such that the exhaust valves in one of the cylinders were destroyed so they replaced the whole block except the crank & crankcase under warranty. That wasn't exactly what Evan from Penang told me. Haihh. Was instructed to break-in the engine again for the next 1000km. She has been riding it to work since and it runs fine now.

Once her Trident arrives, I'll service the brakes, flush the cooling system, send it in to have the air filter, oil + filter replaced... and put it up for sale. So whoever buys it gets a brand new engine, fresh tyres & a freshly serviced bike plus consumables for the next service.

this is the 2nd CLX that I knew almost the whole engine was replaced, the whole engine is gone. 1st was that Winston guy who broke the valve while in Thailand.

Touch wood mine still runs fine till now, 20k km still going..

Looks like CFMotor has a loose QC tolerance count. Many lemon cases.

donno will it have 800MT and 800NK to test ride or not

u oredi asked,
so wana go??

to cope with demand??

yes, i will go, just very near to my house only, i go there just need 5 min only

This post has been edited by Vincent6596: Feb 19 2024, 09:14 PM

good la, mebe u will buy cfmoto since the fs n hq is near u.
any claim oso ask them to come ur hse take.... lol..

i will not easily change my decision to purchase CF due to this reason
due to my 1st time self walk in to CF factory to purchase engine oil, oil filter and gasket ring, this whole process need to take 1 hour 15 min to complete it, what a service in CF factory, and there is only me, 1 customer and no any other people walk in anymore.

This post has been edited by Vincent6596: Feb 20 2024, 09:02 AM

Anyone here planning to get this?