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post Sep 6 2024, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(kembayang @ Sep 6 2024, 04:10 PM)
Thanks for the sharing. Genius.
Which means the current 10 pockets you use 45.75 for each to max out the %?
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For the current period (i.e., prior to 1st of October), the magic number is RM 61 per pocket (+ main account).

Same formula, just different number 0.005*366/0.03 = RM 61. (Right now the rate is still 3% p.a., only after 1st of October it's revised down to 2% p.a.)

So for now till 1st of October, you put 61 MYR into 10 saving pockets + main account = 671 MYR in total. Every morning between 12 am and 1 am, 0.11 MYR interests will be credited to your 10 pockets + 1 main account. After 1st of October it will still be the same, just that you need to top up all your 10 pockets and main account by 30.50 MYR each to earn the same 0.11 cents in total (which is reasonable as the rate is reduced from 6% -> 4% effectively, you need more capital to earn the same absolute amount of return).
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post Sep 8 2024, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Sep 7 2024, 06:58 PM)
Hmm that article says 60.84 can already earn 0.01 MYR interest per day (per saving pocket/main account).

How come not RM 61?

Sifus can chip in and explain? hmm.gif
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post Sep 8 2024, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Sep 7 2024, 06:16 PM)
You explain so much yet some people say it’s an abuse. puke.gif

That's why sometimes when you tag me on some questions and i did not answer. No point being a lowyat accountant.
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Don't feel sad. We appreciate your thriftiness and contribution. console.gif

Every week I cross over to JB and take the AA1 bus to Senai airport to fly back to Penang. Will belanja you makan when you are free. biggrin.gif

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post Sep 8 2024, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Sep 8 2024, 12:47 AM)
2023 - 365 days
2024 - 366 days
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Hahahaha you got me man. My bad! I said ACT/ACT but I forgot it myself lol laugh.gif

Thanks thanks.
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post Sep 15 2024, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(underscore_lee @ Sep 15 2024, 11:07 AM)
Hi guys, now that GX is gonna reduce their 3% daily savings interest, where else would be a good place to park $? I need the fluidity to move around as emergency cash, hence not keen on FD.

Heard boost is 3.6% weekly?
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Even after they cut rates to 2%, your first 1006.50 MYR at GX Bank can still earn 4% p.a. with the round-up trick.

This is followed by Rize's 3.8% p.a. ending on 30 September (we will see if they extend this one).

Thereafter is Boost 3.6% p.a. (interest credited weekly).

Finally it will be GX Bank (anything above 1006.50) or AEON Bank's 3% p.a.

At least that's what we have for now.
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post Sep 16 2024, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Sep 16 2024, 04:06 PM)
TOS sifu, whats is the magic number ady for 4%? RM 92 ++Β  per pocket right?Β  notworthy.gifΒ  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(ericlaiys @ Sep 16 2024, 04:46 PM)
since when gxbank got 4%? do i missed anything
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QUOTE(guailow83 @ Sep 16 2024, 06:47 PM)
can enlighten me pls?

only 1006.50 not more or less?Β  hmm.gif

main account or need to create multiple pockets?Β  hmm.gif
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I computed the numbers before at a post attached below:

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4% p.a. is from 1st of October onwards. GXBank will reduce its rate from the current 3% ("rounded-up" to 6% p.a. for the first 671 MYR) to 2% p.a. And we then double the rate using the round-up trick to 4% p.a.

91.50 MYR per pocket/main account * (10 saving pockets + 1 main account) = 1006.50 exactly. Nothing more, nothing less. Every day you will still get 0.01 MYR * 11 = 0.11 MYR. The absolute amount stays the same just like now but the effective rate is reduced from 6% to 4% as you put in more capital (1006.50 vs 671).

From now until 11:59 pm of 1st of October (a few minutes earlier would be better, as you need some buffer time to top up the amount to 91.50 MYR per pocket/account), you may keep 61 MYR per pocket/main account * 11 = 671 MYR and still earn 0.01* 11 = 0.11 MYR per day. (effective rate 6% p.a.).

And yes, you need to create multiple pockets to maximize the interest obtained. Otherwise you will earn 4% (6% now) on peanut amount of uhmm RM 91.50 (RM 61 for now) which gives you 0.01 MYR per day. We want more than 0.01 per day for sure, and there's this facility called "saving pocket" which we abuse utilize to obtain more money for value.

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post Sep 17 2024, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(nnannon24 @ Sep 17 2024, 07:20 AM)
is it a must to keep the exact 91.50 MYR everyday? We will received 0.11 MYR after a day so should I withdraw the +.11 MYR?
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Yes, you can keep anything above 91.50 MYR but the effective rate will drop over time if you don't withdraw the interests out. Your opportunity cost isn't that high, it's around RM 1-2 per year at a (reinvestment) interest rate of 3.5-4% p.a... so if you think the laziness convenience is worth more than that RM 1-2 you can just leave the interest there and withdraw once a while, like say every 1-2 weeks.

QUOTE(nnannon24 @ Sep 17 2024, 10:04 AM)
So the minimum has to be in each pocket is 91.50 MYR?
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Yes, minimum has to be exactly 91.50 MYR each, nothing less (but can be more with lower effective rate overall and terrible marginal rate of 2% p.a.).
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QUOTE(Nom-el @ Sep 17 2024, 06:51 PM)
Actually, for Boost Bank, the highest effective rate can go up to as high as ~7.99% p.a. for the special savings jar using the same trick. It needs to be adjusted for 7 days though as it is credited and rounded weekly.

Special Savings Jar - ~7.99% p.a.
Normal Savings Jar - ~7.19% p.a.
Main Savings Account - 5% p.a.
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Hmm let me do the maths then... just to check that would mean 0.005 MYR interests after 7 days of savings, then rounded up to 0.01 MYR right?

I think I can rearrange the maths equations to solve for the principal needed for 0.005 interests after 7 days of savings.
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post Sep 18 2024, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(Nom-el @ Sep 18 2024, 03:19 PM)
Yes.
The magic number for each should be

Special Savings Jar - 6.54
Normal Savings Jar - 7.27Β 
Main Savings Account - 10.46

Feel free to verify for yourself.
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I see what you mean now.

For all others:

Main saving account amount to deposit = (0.005/0.025)/(7/366) = 10.46 MYR (you get 0.01 every 7 days)

Normal saving jar amount to deposit = (0.005/0.036)/(7/366) * 8 = 7.27 MYR * 8 = 58.16 MYR (you get 0.01 every 7 days per jar for a maximum of 8 jars)

Special saving jar amount to deposit = (0.005/0.04)/(7/366) = 6.54 MYR (you get 0.01 every 7 days per jar)

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The effective rate (simple interest, no compounding aka FD-equivalent quote) will be 0.01 per week * 52 weeks per year / amount to deposit, which are:

Main saving account: 4.97% p.a.

Normal saving jar: 7.15% p.a. (per jar, can open maximum of 8 jars)

Special saving jar: 7.95% p.a. (per jar)

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I am one of those without access to special saving jar... So counting only main account + normal saving jar, you deposit 68.62 MYR into Boost, split into 10.46 MYR in main + 58.16 MYR in 8 saving pockets, each having 7.27 MYR. You will earn 0.09 MYR per week. Assuming EOD balance remains the same for the next 52 weeks/1 year, that translates to an overall effective return of 0.09*52/68.62 = 6.8% p.a.

Let me know if any of my calculations are wrong. smile.gif

If we are all good, I will post this over to the Boost Bank thread for more appropriate discussion as this is GX Bank thread.

Thanks!

This post has been edited by TOS: Sep 18 2024, 04:24 PM
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post Sep 18 2024, 06:00 PM

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Err nope. Wait a moment. That's not how Boost Bank computes their daily interest.

https://support.myboostbank.co/hc/en-gb/art...rest-calculated

First, the daily interest has to be rounded to 10 decimal points and then the daily interest accrued is rounded to 2 decimal points only.

So using saving account as example, 10.46 * 0.025/366 = 0.00071448.. when rounded to 2 d.p., you get 0.00 because the 3rd decimal place is still 0...

So we need to rethink our formula and our goal is to earn a daily interest of 0.005, so that when it's rounded up to 2 d.p. you get 0.01 accrued interest per day to be paid out after 7 days later.

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With the above in mind, the new formula is:

Saving account: 0.005*366/0.025 = 73.20 MYR

Normal saving jar: 0.005*366/0.036 = 50.84 MYR (up to 8 jars)

Special saving jar: 0.005*366/0.04 = 45.75 MYR

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Effective interest rate is:

Saving account: 0.01*366/73.20 = 5% p.a.

Normal saving jar: 0.01*366/50.84 = 7.2% p.a. (up to 8 jars)

Special saving jar: 0.01*366/45.75 = 8% p.a. !

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So it's the same as GX Bank, only thing is the interests are paid out every 7 days instead of every day. You will lose 6 days of interests of interests, assuming reinvestment rate of 3.8% p.a. (aka Rize), no special saving jar, to first order (we ignore "interests on interests on interests"), we lose 0.09*6*52*0.038*6/366 = 0.017 MYR every week for a total of 0.884 MYR per year. It seems that after all, the 6-day withholding period does not incur a significant opportunity cost over GX Bank's daily interest, to first order.

Hey, looks like Boost Bank is as good as GX Bank after all!

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post Sep 19 2024, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(songokujames @ Sep 19 2024, 12:50 PM)
Ya, you can earn double interest from Tng and Gx bank in a day. Ex. Cash out from tng after 4pm and cash in to GX bank before 11.59pm everyday to earn double interest
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Wow what what... Another loophole coming? laugh.gif

That means the same 671 MYR can earn 9.4% p.a. (3.4% in TNG + 6% in GX Bank)?
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post Sep 27 2024, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Sep 27 2024, 09:50 AM)
gxbank only participate in DuitNow OBW (online banking/wallet) which is designed to superseded FPX in few years time (been delaying for year after year due to market condition and pushback from banks)

majority of the ecom sites out there are using FPX, which is why gxbank is not listed.
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Oh, why the banks wanna push back? You got insider news to share? brows.gif

i actually notice some redundancy in the DuitNow and FPX features... so it's good that they consolidate everything into one.
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post Oct 1 2024, 12:02 AM

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Starting from now onwards, GX Bank rates are lowered to 2% p.a., already showed up in the app. (First 1006.50 can earn effectively 4% p.a.)
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QUOTE(CODDarkKnightDk @ Oct 1 2024, 12:41 AM)
For 1006.50 is savings pocket or savings main acc?
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Kindly see below:

QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 16 2024, 08:14 PM)
I computed the numbers before at a post attached below:

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4% p.a. is from 1st of October onwards. GXBank will reduce its rate from the current 3% ("rounded-up" to 6% p.a. for the first 671 MYR) to 2% p.a. And we then double the rate using the round-up trick to 4% p.a.

91.50 MYR per pocket/main account * (10 saving pockets + 1 main account) = 1006.50 exactly. Nothing more, nothing less. Every day you will still get 0.01 MYR * 11 = 0.11 MYR. The absolute amount stays the same just like now but the effective rate is reduced from 6% to 4% as you put in more capital (1006.50 vs 671).

From now until 11:59 pm of 1st of October (a few minutes earlier would be better, as you need some buffer time to top up the amount to 91.50 MYR per pocket/account), you may keep 61 MYR per pocket/main account * 11 = 671 MYR and still earn 0.01* 11 = 0.11 MYR per day. (effective rate 6% p.a.).

And yes, you need to create multiple pockets to maximize the interest obtained. Otherwise you will earn 4% (6% now) on peanut amount of uhmm RM 91.50 (RM 61 for now) which gives you 0.01 MYR per day. We want more than 0.01 per day for sure, and there's this facility called "saving pocket" which we abuse utilize to obtain more money for value.
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QUOTE(cikpyan @ Oct 1 2024, 12:59 PM)
will follow 1006.50 exactly.  tqvm
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Make sure it's 91.50 * 11, minimum balance per pocket/main account at any given time is 91.50 MYR. Below that number you will lose 1 day interest for that pocket/main account.
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QUOTE(CODDarkKnightDk @ Oct 1 2024, 01:03 PM)
Just to clarify by today still can MYR61*10 and starting tomorrow will put MYR91.5*11 bro?
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Nope, today must be 1006.50 already. Yesterday is the last day to keep 61*11 = 671.

TODAY ONWARDS must be minimum 91.50 per pocket/account, for a total of 10 pockets + 1 main account = 1006.50.
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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 1 2024, 12:02 AM)
Starting from now onwards, GX Bank rates are lowered to 2% p.a., already showed up in the app. (First 1006.50 can earn effectively 4% p.a.)
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0.01 * 11 MYR interests credited successfully, confirming the magic number for a 4% p.a. effective rate.
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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Oct 2 2024, 12:11 AM)
i withdrew all my GX pockets on few accounts and moved it over to Boost already.
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You are very confident on the daily interest thingie yea tongue.gif

I keep GX Bank as a spare account, after all 4% isn't too bad, considering its stability versus all other digital banks.

The opaque communications from BoostBank is scary to me, and pushing out 5% birthday jar without T&C ready and auto-lock money sounds ridiculous. At least GX lets users know weeks before they cut rates... all other banks wait till last minute.
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QUOTE(Wolgie @ Oct 2 2024, 10:29 AM)
so now GXBank is 4% or 2%?
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4% p.a. if you put EXACTLY 91.50 MYR per saving pocket/main account.

Anything above 91.50 earns 2% p.a.
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QUOTE(Wolgie @ Oct 2 2024, 10:36 AM)
so if tomorrow 91.50+interest, then tomorrow need take out interest, so the main back to 91.50, right? doing daily?
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This question has been asked before. It's an economics question: the choice to withdraw the daily interests is dependent on the opportunity cost of doing so.

Think about what will you lose if you keep the 0.01 MYR per pocket interest in GX Bank (or BoostBank)?

If you don't spend the money, you lose the interest on interest, right? So what matters here is the reinvestment rate. This is not a fixed number, it varies from person to person.

For starters, for this month, your reinvestment rate is 5% p.a. (assuming you haven't hit the 25k Boost birthday jar limit). It could have been some other numbers if you hit the Boost special jar limit, e.g. 4% p.a. on GX Bank (need to top up till 91.50 MYR to earn the 4% p.a. rate), or 3.6% p.a. on normal saving jar in BoostBank (in which case, you just deposit all the interests to the BoostBank normal saving jar) or something else.

You need to judge the reinvestment rate based on your circumstances.

Now the maths part: compute the interest on interest. The numbers will look very pathetic. because the original interest, which now forms your principal, is small in amount to start with.

For BoostBank, assume DSA + 8 saving jars + 1 special jar for 12 months, with daily interests and 3% reinvestment rate (to be conservative) you get 0.10 * 366 * 0.03 = 1.10 MYR. GX Bank should yield about the same number.

So you only withdraw out your daily interests if you think you are willing to forgo RM 1-2 interests per annum.

This post has been edited by TOS: Oct 2 2024, 11:03 AM

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