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bereev
post Dec 27 2023, 12:06 PM

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S70 FC 6.2L/100km
this is just on paper

let say January removed petrol subsidies Ron95 is about RM3.22 compare to Vios and City on paper 5.3L/100km means S70 need to pay extra RM3 per 100km

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post Dec 27 2023, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(TAN WENG @ Dec 27 2023, 09:15 AM)
X50 very heavy right the weight I 🤔 thought ride handling is like sedan civic. My uncle have a x50 n mercedes he told me x50 eat more fuel than his mercedes
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QUOTE(autodriver @ Dec 27 2023, 10:52 AM)
X50 is not light at almost 1400kg but the car handling doesn't feel solid at all. X50 fuel consumption is quite high consider that the car is B segment SUV.
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QUOTE(bereev @ Dec 27 2023, 12:06 PM)
S70 FC 6.2L/100km
this is just on paper

let say January removed petrol subsidies Ron95 is about RM3.22 compare to Vios and City on paper 5.3L/100km means S70 need to pay extra RM3 per 100km
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X50 is fuel guzzler, my friend X50 is running 8.5km/l or 11.77l/100km. My X70 is 9km/l.

S70 is only 50kg lighter than X50. FC will be similar especially in city driving.
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post Dec 27 2023, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Dec 27 2023, 12:00 PM)
So you wanna dispute that X50 is not a fuel guzzler?
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We want more details. His uncle use which Mercedes? C200, C180, A45, or CLA 45? Getting 175hp using small displacement turbocharge engine expect the FC around that. Unless combo it with CVT gb to get better FC as outdated Japanese manufacturers.

Want better real driving with better FC, take NA instead small displacement turbocharge engine

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post Dec 27 2023, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Dec 27 2023, 12:00 PM)
So you wanna dispute that X50 is not a fuel guzzler?
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Problem is many of these fella all taking car with small engine output to compare the fuel consumption.

You want power, you need fuel, there's no magic to it.
255nm torque from the X50 even most 2.5L NA engine can't match its torque output,

Even the 1.0T Ativa wasn't fuel save, there's a review from Wapcar mentioned about this.

The thing these Turbo engine is it can achieve much better fuel economy at constant highway speed vs City drive, the fuel consumption gap is much wider VS NA engine

Example NA worst FC could be at 8km/L, best at 15km/L
Turbo worst FC could be at 5km/L, best also at 15km/L
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post Dec 27 2023, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Dec 27 2023, 12:21 PM)
X50 is fuel guzzler, my friend X50 is running 8.5km/l or 11.77l/100km. My X70 is 9km/l.

S70 is only 50kg lighter than X50. FC will be similar especially in city driving.
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Almost similar for x70 ckd. Purely at city drive but drove sedately get around 8.5L/100km, ECO mode all time. Tried Kajang - Pasir Gudang with 120-140kmh consistent getting at 8L/100km, that all based on meter.

But if tekan easily reach 10-11L/100km especially at 170kmh consistent
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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Dec 27 2023, 12:40 PM)
Problem is many of these fella all taking car with small engine output to compare the fuel consumption.

You want power, you need fuel, there's no magic to it.
255nm torque from the X50 even most 2.5L NA engine can't match its torque output,

Even the 1.0T Ativa wasn't fuel save, there's a review from Wapcar mentioned about this.

The thing these Turbo engine is it can achieve much better fuel economy at constant highway speed vs City drive, the fuel consumption gap is much wider VS NA engine

Example NA worst FC could be at 8km/L, best at 15km/L
Turbo worst FC could be at 5km/L, best also at 15km/L
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Bets he wanna compared it with those 102hp engine with Scooter GB for FC
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post Dec 27 2023, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Dec 27 2023, 12:42 PM)
Bets he wanna compared it with those 102hp engine with Scooter GB for FC
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No I wanna compare it with HRV 1.5T engine (same displacement as X50) which produces 240Nmn Torque and 179HP, both comparable if not better than X50, yet produces much better FC than X50.

Oh yeah, cos they are using outdated CVT GB that's why.
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post Dec 27 2023, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Dec 27 2023, 01:27 PM)
No I wanna compare it with HRV 1.5T engine (same displacement as X50) which produces 240Nmn Torque and 179HP, both comparable if not better than X50, yet produces much better FC than X50.

Oh yeah, cos they are using outdated CVT GB that's why.
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post Dec 27 2023, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Dec 27 2023, 12:06 PM)
S70 FC 6.2L/100km
this is just on paper

let say January removed petrol subsidies Ron95 is about RM3.22 compare to Vios and City on paper 5.3L/100km means S70 need to pay extra RM3 per 100km
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betul.. FC declared is under controlled test.
real world usage always add 25-30% from what is claimed.
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post Dec 27 2023, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Dec 27 2023, 01:27 PM)
No I wanna compare it with HRV 1.5T engine (same displacement as X50) which produces 240Nmn Torque and 179HP, both comparable if not better than X50, yet produces much better FC than X50.

Oh yeah, cos they are using outdated CVT GB that's why.
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DCT vs cvt cannot compare la. Drag race hrv vs x50 who wins?
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post Dec 27 2023, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Dec 27 2023, 01:27 PM)
No I wanna compare it with HRV 1.5T engine (same displacement as X50) which produces 240Nmn Torque and 179HP, both comparable if not better than X50, yet produces much better FC than X50.

Oh yeah, cos they are using outdated CVT GB that's why.
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As a starter based on official site : -

X50 official fc is 6.4 litres per 100 km
Honda HRV 1.5T is 6.5 litres per 100 km


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post Dec 27 2023, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Dec 27 2023, 01:38 PM)
As a starter based on official site : -

X50 official fc is 6.4 litres per 100 km
Honda HRV 1.5T is 6.5 litres per 100 km
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Ask any X50 user if they can achieve that FC, and ask any HRV user what their best FC is, and you will get the answer.
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post Dec 27 2023, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Dec 27 2023, 12:40 PM)
Almost similar for x70 ckd. Purely at city drive but drove sedately get around 8.5L/100km, ECO mode all time. Tried Kajang - Pasir Gudang with 120-140kmh consistent getting at 8L/100km, that all based on meter.

But if tekan easily reach 10-11L/100km especially at 170kmh consistent
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Based on meter is wrong calculation. Should be based on manual cal. And no I never speed. Pure city drive is worse. Eco mode is also worse because have to press more to get it to move, X70 is badly engineered chassis, way too heavy kerb weight for the segment heavier than CX5 by 100kg.
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Dec 27 2023, 01:53 PM)
Based on meter is wrong calculation. Should be based on manual cal. And no I never speed. Pure city drive is worse. Eco mode is also worse because have to press more to get it to move, X70 is badly engineered chassis, way too heavy kerb weight for the segment heavier than CX5 by 100kg.
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100kg just an additional 1 pax + luggage
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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Dec 27 2023, 01:37 PM)
DCT vs cvt cannot compare la. Drag race hrv vs x50 who wins?
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Unfortunately for you, the evidence exists. X50 clearly lost. So worse power, worse fuel consumption. Stupidest and most pointless 3 cylinder in the world.



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post Dec 27 2023, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Dec 27 2023, 12:40 PM)
Problem is many of these fella all taking car with small engine output to compare the fuel consumption.

You want power, you need fuel, there's no magic to it.
255nm torque from the X50 even most 2.5L NA engine can't match its torque output,

Even the 1.0T Ativa wasn't fuel save, there's a review from Wapcar mentioned about this.

The thing these Turbo engine is it can achieve much better fuel economy at constant highway speed vs City drive, the fuel consumption gap is much wider VS NA engine

Example NA worst FC could be at 8km/L, best at 15km/L
Turbo worst FC could be at 5km/L, best also at 15km/L
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Completely useless rant in the face of the HRV 1.5 turbo. Same weight as X50, same power, drag race X50 lose to HRV, 4cyl supposed to be more fuel used compared to X50 3cyl.

And yet HRV is vastly better in fuel consumption. Faster, more powerful and yet more economical. Face it, as a X70 owner myself, Geely engineering is still nowhere near Honda.

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post Dec 27 2023, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Dec 27 2023, 01:40 PM)
Ask any X50 user if they can achieve that FC, and ask any HRV user what their best FC is, and you will get the answer.
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And that's your credible answer doh.gif

U first day here ke, ppl buy Honda mau maruah where want to admit own car bad
Ppl buy proton all no maruah so continue to bash and be bashed.

if any of us would want to prioritize FC and minimized spent on depreciating asset we would have gone for Axia the first day.

Let's face it ppl who buy HRV because they want a Honda HRV, not because of just that marginally difference in fuel consumption.

If you ask me I would say both of them also high FC, which beat which marginally does that even matter at the difference of about 20k difference of selling price for a car priced over 100k?
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post Dec 27 2023, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Dec 27 2023, 02:40 PM)
Ask any X50 user if they can achieve that FC, and ask any HRV user what their best FC is, and you will get the answer.
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X50 Owner here, best I can get is 5.8KM/l, thats purely 80% highway and 20% city, while 100% city driving around 9KM/L.

Those who question why X50 is so heavy, please google whats HPF is and check whether HRV has the HPF embed to its frame or not.
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post Dec 27 2023, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Dec 27 2023, 01:38 PM)
As a starter based on official site : -

X50 official fc is 6.4 litres per 100 km
Honda HRV 1.5T is 6.5 litres per 100 km
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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Dec 27 2023, 01:40 PM)
Ask any X50 user if they can achieve that FC, and ask any HRV user what their best FC is, and you will get the answer.
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post Dec 27 2023, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Dec 27 2023, 02:05 PM)
Completely useless rant in the face of the HRV 1.5 turbo. Same weight as X50, same power, drag race X50 lose to HRV, 4cyl supposed to be more fuel used compared to X50 3cyl.

And yet HRV is vastly better in fuel consumption. Faster, more powerful and yet more economical. Face it, as a X70 owner myself, Geely engineering is still nowhere near Honda.
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Both of them have pros and cons, but everyone know who bought HRV is not because of that marginally difference in fuel consumption of could be slightly faster in 0-100km/h drag race.
They bought Honda HRV because is a car well perceived by the public VS Geely which just in like recently + Malaysian have a lot of trust in Japanese tech when it comes to auto industry.

Just enjoy what you bought and stop looking at what you could have bought for that negligible difference will make your life less miserable, both X50 and HRV is pretty good car for its price, at least u did not get the almost 20 years old engine by some maker which already discontinued at other region.




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