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 Is it the end for partition units?, Anyone heard more?

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post Aug 30 2023, 07:47 AM

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Rooms in older flats are like 400 ringgit per month. Maybe even less. How much cheaper do people expect they can rent a space for?

Many of these fancy ideas don’t work in Malaysia simply because there’s an oversupply which has suppressed prices. There is always a cheaper alternative if you look hard enough.
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post Sep 10 2023, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Sep 10 2023, 09:58 AM)
https://property.enanyang.my/%e8%b6%8b%e5%8...g24_aM3fapSpYpI

For those know how to read Chinese news. It's just discussion from the sublet business expert.

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No1. Look hmmmm
No. 2 look hailat

If you are dbkl, would you allow no. 1? Or your policy is actually ban no. 2 but no. 1 is OK?
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The question is how do you distinguish between 1 and 2 - a rational investor and one who is a slumlord. Who is going to enforce? Easier to just ban it all. A few pictures of number 2 in action is enough to make everyone cringe. This is actually good news for owners of older units as it pushes demand their way.

This will definitely push investors away from bigger units so developers need to be smart in their product mix from now on.

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post Sep 10 2023, 01:35 PM

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This is the most balanced view point I’ve seen from someone with skin in the game. You know it’s wrong and if you want to continue to flout the law then prepare to get prosecuted. The main thing is that this stops businesses and operators from openly advertising that this is an ideal investment solution.

His final remark that if you need partitioning to justify the price you paid for the property then it is overpriced and it is on you.

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post Sep 10 2023, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Sep 10 2023, 02:07 PM)
This topic is so suddenly be hot, and its happen start from an apartment or condo being raided from the 1st post of thread, then suddenly after 2 or 3 day the notice from dbkl, cob is issued to all jmb mc.

sweat.gif Is it any latest government or politician promised something regarding partition issues? Then at very suddenly moment implement it. sweat.gif .
whistling.gif Since Caveat video mentioned dbkl not enough man power for the enforcement to raid and spot check all the unit, and the responsible was push to MC & JMB, then in the end it was fall into "action take upon complaint basic". If not people complaint, then not action will be taken.

Except DBKL ready take effort on rewarding system that encouraging people to report this issues. Like i remember on some local government or authority tempatan at some place rewarding people catching the rats? 1 rats RM 0.50 or RM 1. I forgotten, but still remember ever read this kind of news.

dry.gif but in the end, received too many complaint & arrange too many manpower to raid the partition unit ready not give any benefit to the DBKL, so only the victims or the people suffering from partition unit neighbour was encouraging to make report. icon_rolleyes.gif
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DBKL has delegated already. They pushed the onus onto JMB so that no new partitioning can occur. Now with those in circulation if neighbour complain or tenant do something wrong then it raises flags then they spot check and issue letter. I don’t know if people were expecting DBKL to show up with sledgehammers and knock on each door to tear down your walls.

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post Sep 10 2023, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Sep 10 2023, 03:30 PM)
naughty question for you, how about this?
got living area, got dinning area  devil.gif

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An internal room that does not have the window to an external facade is not technically a bedroom. At most you can call it a +1 now the legality on whether it is deemed as an habitable environment should anything go wrong is up for debate. This is probably what needs to be regulated - the role of a REA in what is a habitable or non-habitable environment. Then they can get sued.

The crux of all our debates is should anything go wrong which all these room operators and all other vested parties have completely ignored which is capitalist human nature so that’s why regulation is needed.

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post Sep 12 2023, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(darren_yuri @ Sep 12 2023, 04:47 PM)
Not yet the end of the partition, as long no residents report no one will know unless enforcement agencies receive tip off or actively look online for action.

So many listings on ibilik publicly saying "partitioned" rooms.
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Everyone’s banking on limited enforcement. They just need to make an example of one person with a gigantic fine and make sure it’s well circulated to get some traction.
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post Sep 13 2023, 07:21 AM

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Smart. LHDN has more powers and are better resourced in getting what they want. They can throw a whole book of Law at you.
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post Sep 13 2023, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Sep 13 2023, 08:07 AM)
Most of the time, owner was delgate to rental company for rental stuff. So both party need to declare tax else? For onwer I think they are not ready in huge profit because the cost is huge and new vped condo most of the time not profitable.

The huge cost is the interest cost + maintenance sinking + assessment + renovation cost + repair cost etc.

At first 5 year the interest cost of installment is around 70%+-.
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True most property are negative cash flow nowadays. It’s actually a privilege to pay tax after all deductions.
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post Sep 14 2023, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(darren_yuri @ Sep 14 2023, 12:36 PM)
Actually my condo is not that old so all corridors have CCTV, just that depending on the management to take action or not.
Every night so many people (in a gang of 5-8 people) passed thru my unit i also worried something fishy going on.
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Yea this is something we all have to worry about - especially if you have a teenage daughter or a wife who doesn’t look like Ros***. Scratch that looking like that also I worry.
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post Sep 14 2023, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(darren_yuri @ Sep 14 2023, 02:58 PM)
Reported to security they said nothing to worry about, whether they really look into issue or not that one I not sure.
Hence I am looking to move out from my condo in the next few years time.
So tired of my neighbors keep changing, from friendly neighbor (house visits during festive seasons yeah) to neighbor that keep changing every couple of months (became rented/AirBnB).
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Some of these are cyber scammers or online syndicates. My area in PJ a bunch were arrested. It was a scam operation for Australians.
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post Oct 15 2023, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Oct 15 2023, 03:32 PM)
Housing Ministry to crackdown against ‘birdcage’ rooms for rent https://newswav.com/A2310_mcJsFf?s=A_hdXi3pu&language=en
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Thanks for sharing. All these are unnecessary. We are not Japan. Put in a bunk bed maybe 2 in a room if need be. People can get own rooms for 500 so I don’t know why this is all necessary unless you are really low skilled or a migrant worker.
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post Oct 15 2023, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(guysmiley @ Oct 15 2023, 05:51 PM)
please make sure you check you facts before making statements. the law existed long time already.
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It wasn’t spelt out. People still did what they did believing there’s No enforcement. I only brought this up at the right start because partitioning was so prevalent. Read the rest of the thread la.

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post Oct 17 2023, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(rumahwip @ Oct 17 2023, 07:25 AM)
any action taken? or all talk only?
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Now is still warning phase and creating awareness around it. It’ll be a while yet before serious action is taken.

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post Oct 17 2023, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Oct 17 2023, 09:57 AM)
And it ll eventually die down when ministry is under pressure with some pressure fr those vested parties 🤣🤣🤣

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The act has been around since 1970s. They are just spelling it out for everyone as they are getting complaints. So if everyone pakat together then it’s no problem. If the place has nosy own stayers like myself then I will make noise non-stop.

How can they be intimidated by people who are intentionally flouting the law. They will jaga developers. Do developers ask you to partition? It’s completely third party and done independently. JMC is not to allow these types of renovations either. Your only recourse is to do it curi curi knowing you are going against the law. You will get caught eventually knowing how dumb SAs or other promoters are to spray the ID and unit address all over social media.

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post Oct 18 2023, 04:17 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Oct 17 2023, 04:07 PM)
Some ppl prefer gostan mode instead cos they dun need brilliant rakyats to fill their kocek

They need more dumbno in order to stay in powder
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Think you’re reading too much into this. I haven’t seen people protest about this but of course people are fighting about Israel and Palestine.

This is also a local council issue not federal.
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post Oct 20 2023, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Oct 19 2023, 11:21 PM)
The shoplot "adjacent" to Perdua Maluni is close proximity to MRT stn. Perfect candidate to do "capsule unit"

Not sure how long and frequent the enforcement takes place..... else the partition activities will keep "alive" inKL
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They have done their bit. Crime persists everywhere despite police enforcement so how is this different? Just need to name and shame a few to create awareness. This is them helping developers by reducing the number of available rooms publicly.

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post Oct 21 2023, 05:50 AM

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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Oct 20 2023, 11:08 PM)
To name and shame a few does not necessarily guarantee long term results.
Continuous enforcement is the key, if kpkt is really serious about it. Time will tell if the authority is just hangat hangat tahi ayam.

Also, cracking down on commercial premises by the authority may create an impression that "KL residence premises are not affected". Hope to see more actions by the authority.
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You won’t catch everything. Above is an extreme example. To be fair if you know how to bargain, you can get own room in a really old Chan unit for 300.

This kind of cage I think is used for illegal workers. Deduct their pay to live in such conditions. I don’t think your average Malaysian on a budget would go near such a place.

All we can hope for is property gurus and portals to stop blatantly advertising partition rooms. Big results come from small acts.

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post Oct 21 2023, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 21 2023, 07:47 AM)
Is nice to read in the morning that there are no poor m'sians living in cages.

The rich msians definitely won't live there.

The poor m'sians will live there.

The average msians not too sure thou since they are in between. If location is strategic to work, it is worth considering.

And every tanned skin person is deemed to be a foreigner, I guess 😂, legal or otherwise.
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I’m just speculating but even if you’re B40 you would have enough street smarts to not cram in a 70 room dorm with 1 toilet.

300 per month is not that cheap for this kind of living condition. I’d expect it to be free. You can share a normal room with 1 person and pay less than 300.

300 * 70 = 21k. This kind of ROI is superior than any commercial premise.

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post Oct 23 2023, 07:10 AM

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The worst offenders are usually your typical landed or shop lot in convenient location but they are individual titles and unless people complain no one really knows.

A living room in a high rise being partitioned of is no where near as bad as these cases but they are strata and shared ownership. Building insurance can be invalidated in the event of fire. So expect more noise when everyone has a stake in it. Now that it’s spelt out as an illegal obstruction, people need to be aware of the consequences of their actions.

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Oct 30 2023, 08:08 PM)
"iBilik defends partitioned rooms’ importance for Malaysia’s young and low earners"

https://thethaiger.com/world/news/564088/

I think better follow singapore, limited people live in a house. Not doing partition room but room sharing max 2 people in a room.
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They compare partitioned room to renting whole units. Why not just individual rooms in a unit. Always pushing an agenda.

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