YMMV. During my time, it was like Playboy Mansion. I maintain you gotta find your tribe to do good or naughty things with. I have heard horror stories of course. The co-living companies need the converted living room to justify their premiums. Tenants don’t.

That’s the key there - workers from other states and the odd “expat”. KV locals would be able to see through how poor value these co-living places except if you only intend to use it for a few months. Once you get to 6 months or more then traditional renting would be better no? In that regard, they work well as a temporary rumah penginapan.

Exactly. This should in theory force developers to look at their pricing properly. 800 psf in Sungai Buloh just because u can partition is nonsense. Selangor needs to take note of this too.

I was waiting for a cladding fire accident or crowd crush incident for authorities to take notice but luckily it didn’t need to come to that.

The big difference is should anything happen then it falls to the individual property owner. In the case of units, you would impact hundreds if not thousands of other owners should anything go wrong. So what is reasonable here? When a fire happens, you will get a nullified insurance claim and Bomba will fine the JMB for illegal obstruction. I’d like to see apatopia address this. They just gloss it over.

An old terrace house being converted is different from a fancy new unit with strata management. Even in the old neighbourhood, other owners will make noise if they don’t like what is going on.

Try being in a 50 storey building and you’re older or less mobile then you will see the true extent of disaster when your elderly parents are trampled to death or burnt alive.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Aug 19 2023, 09:06 AM

People who don’t remember Grenfell in London that relied on cheap cladding that burnt like wildfire. I wouldn’t put it past our penny pinching developers to do something unethical.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Aug 19 2023, 05:38 PM

Urgh I really feel like slapping their smug faces. But hey can’t blame them for trying to make money with a presented opportunity. How they dig their business out of this hole is another.

It’s padan muka if along the way, no one ever thought that this was illegal. The big F U is that they didn’t give a damn about other owners and neighbours who don’t want this environment. This all thrived on a tidak apa attitude and reliance on weak enforcement. Tell developers they want specific investment property with just bedroom and ensuite. Don’t go and make it something it is not.

Property gurus are out there to make a buck not to act in your best interests.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Aug 21 2023, 09:30 AM

Really negative value now for their “investment”. The co-living companies are still ok as they provide convenience to rent out a fully furnished room.

Someone did a tik tok on how they partitioned up a unit in a few days. I’d love to see the reverse. 😂

They just started. Issuing saman and letter to dismantle is already something major. If people wanna flout it then people can continue to complain and send authorities in. Maybe end result is Lelong? How serious of a repercussion is needed before people pay attention and do the right thing?

Don’t know what your expectations are but it’s been barely 3 weeks since this started. I don’t know if you were expecting CCP level of action or what but in my mind this is very good already considering people were blatantly advertising how many rooms they could cram into your new “investment”.

Many Malaysians operate in the grey and if they didn’t then our national GDP would likely be below Myanmar. Ok I’m exaggerating but this is a line in the sand to say that this is wrong to clear out any reasonable doubt. This is the way democracy works so do your part with your voice to enable enforcement.

The fact that co-living companies have to issue PR statements to their fansi is already a big win.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Aug 27 2023, 06:40 PM

You may nullify the whole building tower’s insurance. Capiche? It’s not just your internal contents, it’s all the other structural stuff that may be impacted and need to be made whole.

Can you see how bad it got? And this was one of the “reputable” ones. It was so brazen and shameless. So there is very little sympathy if they go under.

You are endangering your tenants’ lives and run the risk of causing financial loss to all other unit owners of your development should something major happen and the building insurance is nullified.

You are providing housing so just reduce your rates that it’s not profitable to you. It’s already a known fact that owners have to top up the mortgage for their poorperly anyway.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Aug 28 2023, 12:03 PM

Utter nonsense. You’ve disregarded every other safety law as well as impact on own stayers.

Just say it as it is, it’s pure greed that drives you to do this not some benevolent act.

What risk do you have as a property owner? Merely financial loss and if you didn’t take the time to understand the market and what is going on then it’s all on your own bad decision making.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Aug 29 2023, 08:31 AM

Indirect costs not often brought up are the wear and tear on said facilities which requires replacement sooner than their life span. These are all costs to the owners corp which raises the maintenance fees.

The overall degradation of the environment also brings down the entire development as no new prospective buyer would want to buy into a “hostel”. There’s a reason why old MK units have held their value well by being selective.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Aug 29 2023, 08:39 AM

LOL troll. Yea it helps you break even but that’s none of my business is it? I’d rather pay 400 for a room where we don’t take number to use the toilet.

It’s a moot point anyway as it has been formally declared illegal.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Aug 29 2023, 10:42 AM

Wtf is horizontal partitioning? If you mean those double wide living and dining room then yes all these structures are not meant to be in the unit and used as “rooms”.

If this is meant to be like the capsule hotels in Japan then our real estate is not expensive enough to justify that level of renovation.

You can put in 2 bunk beds in a room.

They will just be a rental/tenancy management focused business with high turnover. There is a need for it in Malaysia. It’s just no partitioning.