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 Intern. Should they be paid or not?

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likefunyouare
post Jun 1 2023, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(Why^Me @ Jun 1 2023, 08:24 AM)
they also human, got basic necessity need. if we dont pay intern, they want to eat what ? grass and sand ?

internship is where they apply their knowledge after study and we mentor them at the same time. they also spend their time working 8-5 like us. we should pay them.

they should make akta minimum to pay intern rm1,500.00 per month.
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if they can survive in uni without pay

then surely then can do 6 more months right?
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post Jun 1 2023, 10:52 AM

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industrial training is not work.
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post Jun 1 2023, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(latipbogiba @ Jun 1 2023, 08:13 AM)


I once pernah jumpa a boss of an intern asking the intern why should the intern get paid because, as long as the intern works under him, the intern get knowledge which is more valuable than money. The boss said lah.
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my boss also same lol.
then still got the audacity to "head hunt" them lepas their convocation. offering them min wages

and since my company no proper HR eventho it's a 200+ employee medium sized company, middle level managers/executives yang buat interview and head hunt. i dunno how many interns ghosted, maki saya.
I grew a thick face, so thick that my skin can withstand gun shots

EDIT: oh yeah, i remembered my CEO once said "hire interns la, why hire those with experience? we can easily train them to do this job. interns are free or cheap labour, dont pass up on slaves wanting to work."

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Sha91
post Jun 1 2023, 10:57 AM

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Should be paid.

I did real work during my internship before and didn't get paid for it.

My previous company that I worked, did not pay intern, used them to the max including coding, website handling, exclude them from company dinner (include them for the arrangement) and refuse to give certificate.

I needed to fight for my intern certificate and got nothing other 'why is she so special?'
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post Jun 1 2023, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Sha91 @ Jun 1 2023, 10:57 AM)
Should be paid.

I did real work during my internship before and didn't get paid for it.

My previous company that I worked, did not pay intern, used them to the max including coding, website handling, exclude them from company dinner (include them for the arrangement) and refuse to give certificate.

I needed to fight for my intern certificate and got nothing other 'why is she so special?'
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kind of stupid to stinge for small money but create the impression that is long lasting, where you hate the company for the rest of your life.
and word of mouth can spread, telling everyone to avoid such companies

end of the day, when their reputation drops, they blame mother father and ask govn for tongkat. hahaha
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post Jun 1 2023, 11:06 AM

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wait until u find company that looking for interns to do some petty stuff in name of training like filling/document converting/copying without paid then when 1st batch done he open for next one so by full year the company saving like 3-4 position for free.
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post Jun 1 2023, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(likefunyouare @ Jun 1 2023, 10:51 AM)
if they can survive in uni without pay

then surely then can do 6 more months right?
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lol with this logic imagine your boss said this to you with your salary sweat.gif
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post Jun 1 2023, 11:15 AM

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and if you are intern dont be a fool la ; find company that pays compensation.. why work for free if you know they not going pay you?

unless you agreed in first place dont get paid..then dont complaint
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post Jun 1 2023, 11:37 AM

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this kind of mindset, good luck la.

the bare minimum that an intern should be getting, as an allowance that is sufficient to cover the cost of traveling (i don't mean grab / taxi) / food etc. interns are here to gain knowledge and experience, but at the same time it is additional support to the business / organization.

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post Jun 1 2023, 11:38 AM

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post Jun 1 2023, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(latipbogiba @ Jun 1 2023, 09:51 AM)
yes. plus with lecturing to their ears
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Give some allowance is fine, should not be a pay. Depending on areas, some rm500 should be enough. Those that are good can get paid. Those that only want to pass the day, should not be paid

This post has been edited by Taikor.Taikun: Jun 1 2023, 12:14 PM
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post Jun 1 2023, 12:54 PM

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wow so my company bg intern byk la yeh rm 1k - 1.2k
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post Jun 1 2023, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jun 1 2023, 10:25 AM)
Let me put it this way. The companies do not NEED these interns.

It is more a CSR thing. If you were to add in minimum wage requirements, what do you think will happen? Instead of taking 2 interns, maybe they will take 1, or maybe just go without.

There was a tered recently where someone complained about charities asking for a minimum amount for donation.

Same thing here. Beggars should not be choosers.

edt: see post above mine for a good reason. these interns are not long term employees looking to grow together with the company, they can fark up the company just for the lulz.
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QUOTE(ileys @ Jun 1 2023, 10:28 AM)
The interns NEED the company to learn, to get a degree.
The company DOES NOT NEED the intern AT ALL.

The intern SHOULD PAY THE COMPANY.

:-)
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There is always returns to this companies! The college basically do a free advertisements for these company that they are affiliated with. Many company use interns to do basic day-to-day job as well since they dont want to to hire full time.

My sis is at a job hunter companies, tons of company contacts them for interns placements.

Look at the world governance/standards, AU, UK, US, pays their interns the basic minimum salary stipulated by their law....
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post Jun 1 2023, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(Maknusia @ Jun 1 2023, 07:23 PM)
There is always returns to this companies! The college basically do a free advertisements for these company that they are affiliated with. Many company use interns to do basic day-to-day job as well since they dont want to to hire full time.

My sis is at a job hunter companies, tons of company contacts them for interns placements.

Look at the world governance/standards, AU, UK, US, pays their interns the basic minimum salary stipulated by their law....
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Not really la, you can check with most HR people. In most cases, they get more resumes than they can deal with.

As I mentioned before, these interns are only there for a few months, not really reliable in most cases. For most cases, it is easier and safer to assign jobs to the normal staff.

Not sure about contacting job hunter companies, I know it is common to look for graduate trainees, but interns not really lah. If they want they can come, if not we won't miss them.

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Do interns get paid?
Depending on the position, interns may or may not be paid. Unpaid internships are common, especially when the internship counts as academic credit toward graduation. For an internship to qualify as unpaid, according to the U.S. Department of Labor, both the employer and intern must agree upfront that the internship will be unpaid. There must also be a clear connection between the intern's educational program and job responsibilities.

That said, many employers do pay their interns. Some companies recognize there is value in training someone who could become an employee after they graduate college. The majority of Fortune 500 companies pay interns, as do jobs in the private sector. Industries where aspiring interns can find paid internships include banking, accounting, advertising, public relations, IT, government and fashion.

The national average salary for paid interns is $12.88 per hour, although the salary can range from $7.25 to $30.15 depending on the industry and geographic location.

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-sa...nterns-get-paid

edit: I am not trying to lowball these interns. I am already retired. Just hoping that these youths don't get an overinflated sense of importance.

This post has been edited by loserguy: Jun 1 2023, 08:22 PM
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post Jun 1 2023, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jun 1 2023, 08:15 PM)

Not sure about contacting job hunter companies, I know it is common to look for graduate trainees, but interns not really lah. If they want they can come, if not we won't miss them.
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-sa...nterns-get-paid
Job search platform Indeed to cut 2,200 jobs
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/jo...nchment-3367221


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post Jun 1 2023, 08:24 PM

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Job search platform Indeed to cut 2,200 jobs
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/jo...nchment-3367221


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just the first link that popped up when I did a search, you can do your own search if you want.
https://duckduckgo.com/?va=v&t=ha&q=do+inte...get+paid&ia=web
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post Jun 1 2023, 08:30 PM

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As long as people think it is acceptable to exploit interns and not pay minimum wage, we will not advance as a society.

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post Jun 1 2023, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jun 1 2023, 08:24 PM)
just the first link that popped up when I did a search, you can do your own search if you want.
https://duckduckgo.com/?va=v&t=ha&q=do+inte...get+paid&ia=web
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Glassdoor
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/hong-kon...631_KO10,16.htm

22yo M’sian Intern in Hong Kong Gets Paid RM7K
https://worldofbuzz.com/22yo-msian-intern-i...darin-language/

So need to pay a not?
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post Jun 1 2023, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Jun 1 2023, 08:31 PM)
Just saying, if they can get a good salary go ahead. Just don't complain about difficulty finding places to do their internships later on.

I would rather hire 2 banglas than an intern at 7k lol.

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