Yeap, engine and power wise, uncontested. Unchallenged means they can be complacent.

Bad for consumers.

Too wishful. UMW more likely to fit a low tuned Atkinson cycle of M20

No it's not a simple drop in.
It's a drive train revamp with the direct shift CVT gearbox that was issued recalls (UMWT quiet oh )

And that dynamic force 2.0 NA still PALES compared to Civic 's 1.5T.
The main goal for dynamic force is still fuel economy -
similarly to Mazda SkyActiv regardless how many marketing bullshit they want to force down our throats.

and this is coming from a NA engine bias enthusiast.

What gap? those 2 jointly built cars are also for hardcore with very high price.

I heard something new gonna happen with Corolla facelift... lets see..
Wont be surprise if they price it to 150k... but seems ppl are accepting that price for C-segment (Civic, Mazda 3, Golf TSI)
I blame it on our weak ringgit

This post has been edited by OrangeGrove: May 31 2023, 01:30 PM

Steering rack depends on the suspension and road condition. If always drive on bad roads, the suspension will give way first then only the steering will follow.

EPS more sensitive because it is just an electric motor, wiring and sensor. After months of abuses, the motor will fail. Cars with EPS should only be driven on good roads like highways for example.

Those with hydraulic power steering will better luck as such outdated tech can withstand bad roads easily. Just ensure u check for oil leaks and belting.

I mean at least its not as if they need to do RND. The Corolla with 2.0 M20 engine already exists in many other production lines, only not in the Thailand line.... Of course I don't mean it is as straightforward as aftermarket change (mountings, GB, drive train all ready).
I for one, do not mind less power, less kick, less torque than the Civic. I just want something that is not as sedate as the current 1.8L, it is very sleepy at low RPM and CVT never lets you get to very high RPMS anyway, and by then the noise sucky.

Need RND la if they localising/CKD.
No CKD price will go to hell, either that or cheap out on specs in the name of profit (like current UMWT offerings)

CVT CAN get high RPM, sounds also can be tuned. Honda civic turbo does this exceptionally well.

After all, buy Honda engine, free car.

Nowadays almost all cars come with EPS as hydraulic power steering are phased out, correct me if I'm wrong. So it's unavoidable if the EPS fails with wear and tear even when driven on good roads. One of the causes of failure of the EPS or motor/electronics which form part of the steering rack, as explained to me is water seeping into the electronic box which is located below the car, fixed to the steering rack.

Corolla facelift, what news did you receive? Everyone including the sales advisors or even Toyota customer service are clueless when I enquired earlier this month. Will it be a hybrid? If not, what are the differences in comparison to the current Corolla model which is not available for sale anymore since earlier this month? The current high spec Corolla after discount was selling at RM130k+ and if they bump it up to RM150k without any major improvements, Toyota will have difficulty marketing the new model.

I dont think Corolla Hybrid will be coming in as the fully import for Hybrid will be expensive (no tax incentive for CBU) and locally UMW doesn't have a CKD production line for Corolla Sedan to assemble it.
It could be FL with new DFE, or FL with the old engine.

Whatever for Malaysia will be depending what configuration that Thailand will have.. Would need to wait and see..

cannot expect anything advanced or new from UMW bread and butter models lah

UMW understands our market well, the reason people buy Toyota within the price range is for - Comfort, Reliability and RV, that's it, everything else is optional

and people who mostly buy those models (eg: Vios, Corolla) tend to service their cars outside once the warranty period is over, the dinosaur 1.5L and 1.8L NA engines are perfect for this case since almost every ah beng workshop under the tree is familiar with it

that being said, putting aside powertrain. UMW Toyota models nowadays are actually pretty well spec'ed especially when it comes to safety. I still prefer Toyota Safety Sense compared to Honda Sensing or Mazda iActive Sense. And for some reason Honda in SEA market is still keeping Lanewatch instead of regular BSM + RCTA like other markets.

my only gripe with UMW is their OEM infotainment and the way they integrate it into the dashboard aka CRT TV

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: May 31 2023, 06:04 PM

the only brands that could give Honda a run for the money when it comes to engine power is VW, Hyundai/Kia, and any China brands using 1.6T. Toyota and Mazda don't have any small capacity turbo engines iinm

VW gave up with their locally assembled Golf R line. Same case for Hyundai and Kia, I blame the market and our exchange rate

that left us with only the upcoming China brands but I don't see people who could afford a Honda would consider any China brand. And their engine refinement leaves a lot to be desired still, when all China brands are focused on EVs now

in the end Honda will continue to reign in the C segment sedan market until its slowly consumed by SUV/crossovers

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: May 31 2023, 06:25 PM

No also.
Because their pricing and segments will be higher/different.

And if you go higher, there's the RS Hybrid which is pretty damn powerful and also the type R. (Too bad they didn't have the in between Sportier models like the manual hatchback and Si)

The main advantage for Honda in Malaysia is CKD.

VW had a good chance when they CKD the Golf 1.4 TSI

but they end up screwing the pricing and specs anyway

The Golf 1.4 TSI EA211 is tuned differently from Jetta 1.4 TSI Twincharged EA111.

Less fun, not going to give Civic any pressure.

but I've heard the fuel economy on that is kinda insane. Almost hybrid levels if you just drive it casually

And so is the Civic 1.5T.

what's your real world average fuel economy in Kl traffic? 1 full tank can go how many KMs?

I'm still contemplating between Civic and Corolla Cross now

Haven't you scare the hell out of SA during test drive?
ESP flashes? TC restrict the engine power corner exist?

No, then you are different group of consumers.

True FC, RV buyers will consider the Golf TSI and Civic, Corolla etc.
Enthusiastic buyer without 200k+ budget is forced to consider only Civic, dreaming to own Golf GTi or the likes one day.

Civic seems to sit between the sweet spot of value buy and passion buy.

In traffic (mostly Melaka, a lot of full stops and traffic lights, in a way worse than KL ) 10-11KM/L
If no regards to FC then between 9-10

If smoother traffic or highways, you can have it to up between 15-22KM/L.
yes that's hybrid level of FC.

Please use KM/L or L/100km instead of the archaic full tank ya lol.
The above figures can mean between 350 to 600+ km in a tank, huge difference oh.