cannot expect anything advanced or new from UMW bread and butter models lah

UMW understands our market well, the reason people buy Toyota within the price range is for - Comfort, Reliability and RV, that's it, everything else is optional

and people who mostly buy those models (eg: Vios, Corolla) tend to service their cars outside once the warranty period is over, the dinosaur 1.5L and 1.8L NA engines are perfect for this case since almost every ah beng workshop under the tree is familiar with it

that being said, putting aside powertrain. UMW Toyota models nowadays are actually pretty well spec'ed especially when it comes to safety. I still prefer Toyota Safety Sense compared to Honda Sensing or Mazda iActive Sense. And for some reason Honda in SEA market is still keeping Lanewatch instead of regular BSM + RCTA like other markets.

my only gripe with UMW is their OEM infotainment and the way they integrate it into the dashboard aka CRT TV

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: May 31 2023, 06:04 PM

the only brands that could give Honda a run for the money when it comes to engine power is VW, Hyundai/Kia, and any China brands using 1.6T. Toyota and Mazda don't have any small capacity turbo engines iinm

VW gave up with their locally assembled Golf R line. Same case for Hyundai and Kia, I blame the market and our exchange rate

that left us with only the upcoming China brands but I don't see people who could afford a Honda would consider any China brand. And their engine refinement leaves a lot to be desired still, when all China brands are focused on EVs now

in the end Honda will continue to reign in the C segment sedan market until its slowly consumed by SUV/crossovers

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: May 31 2023, 06:25 PM

VW had a good chance when they CKD the Golf 1.4 TSI

but they end up screwing the pricing and specs anyway

but I've heard the fuel economy on that is kinda insane. Almost hybrid levels if you just drive it casually

what's your real world average fuel economy in Kl traffic? 1 full tank can go how many KMs?

I'm still contemplating between Civic and Corolla Cross now

For me now I just want something comfortable, practical, and handles decently with good fuel economy

Driving like an enthuasiast now scares me with the amount of cars and crazy motorcyclist on the roads. And its not like i visit Genting or Ulu Yam every weekends

Hence it's down to the Civic and Corolla Cross (hybrid) for me. If this is me in my single years I would've gone for Civic without a doubt, but with a family now the Corolla Cross is starting to tick the boxes


Got it. The traffic figure is what I'm concerned about mostly since I spend most of my time in KL anyways

Traffic is really crazy now even during weekends after MCO

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: May 31 2023, 08:15 PM

its gonna be enough for me if UMW would even bring in the normal HEV variant

2.0T PHEV? is that a 330e?