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HalseyFrangipane
post Dec 10 2023, 03:20 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 9 2023, 03:30 PM)
Sounds like my friend Kent Toh (KTS https://maps.app.goo.gl/DzF6SYf8ANiRnDhW7 )
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Haha unfortunately not, he's a bm specialist in kuchai who dailies classics.

I guess your friend cares about your safety and wellbeing too.
Quazacolt
post Dec 10 2023, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Dec 10 2023, 03:20 AM)
Haha unfortunately not, he's a bm specialist in kuchai who dailies classics.

I guess your friend cares about your safety and wellbeing too.
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They are the best mechanics and partners thumbup.gif
constant_weight
post Dec 10 2023, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Nov 14 2023, 08:23 PM)
For my e46, I have changed 3 halfcut steering racks. Rebuilt 2 different units with 2 different mechanics.

1st rebuild is my own mechanic who advised against it but I told him to proceed for me to experiment the longevity of it. Lasted 554 days and 37k km before it started leaking.

Any other suggestions to fix this steering rack issue? Looking for a brand new rack for this particular model costs at least 12k+ excluding shipping lol.
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Wow, I don't even hit 30k km over 4 years.

I think with the mileage you rack up + driving style, you're in good hands.
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post Dec 10 2023, 08:00 PM

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I have been told my old Iswara needs it's steering rack replaced and the mechanic showed me torn bushing of the lower arms both sides but I am not sure if that's really. How do you proof it's really bad? And as for lower arm bushings I read skme places can press out the bush but my mech wants to replace the whole LA. Into a few Ks of price range.

I only had problems of noise, which is rubbing bearing clicking noises during slow U-Turn steering full lock manuevres which I read is more likely related to Drive Shaft or CV but I see no leaks from CV boots.

I also do not experience shuddering or shaking when going over speed bumps or going past small potholes which is said to be 1 symptom of bad steering rack.

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post Dec 13 2023, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Dec 6 2023, 11:29 PM)
1st rebuild was RM800. Brought my own rack in and installed at my own shop.

2nd rebuild was RM600. This time I just brought my car to check. This includes labour and power steering fluid.
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If drive in , DS AUTO remove steering rack on the spot and repair it same day?
I went to another workshop , on their facebook say can repair but reach their shop thy jz say will swap out mine and replace with recon and thy dont even get my car model & steering rack model correct , i dont trust them lol

U can try "Allied Pacific Steering Rack" https://apsteeringrack.com/
Thy r more pro , mostly fix BMW , Audi , merz and provide longer warranty like 6months to 1year but thy do not hv workshop to remove steering rack on ur car , mean u remove / bring ur broken unit for thm to fix .

This post has been edited by prdkancil: Dec 13 2023, 10:12 PM
HalseyFrangipane
post Dec 13 2023, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(prdkancil @ Dec 13 2023, 10:10 PM)
If drive in , DS AUTO remove steering rack on the spot and repair it same day?
I went to another workshop , on their facebook say can repair but reach their shop thy jz say will swap out mine and replace with recon and thy dont even get my car model & steering rack model correct , i dont trust them lol

U can try "Allied Pacific Steering Rack" https://apsteeringrack.com/         
Thy r more pro , mostly fix BMW , Audi , merz and provide longer warranty like 6months to 1year but thy do not hv workshop to remove steering rack on ur car , mean u remove / bring ur broken unit for thm to fix .
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Best to contact them before you send in so they can allocate a time slot for you. I only collected the following day.

For AP, when I tried to contact them, it seems like they are not aware of the type of specs for my rack, so I wasn't sure whether to go with them or not.
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post Dec 13 2023, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ May 29 2023, 05:17 PM)
A recent failure of the steering rack on my car has somewhat caused be to be phobic about another imminent failure. I'll try to cut a long story short. Basically I am curious to know if anyone has had experiences with the failure of the steering rack in your vehicle. If yes, is your vehicle running on electric power steering and at what mileage did the steering rack fail.

From my conversation with an experienced mechanic, I was made to understand that the steering rack failure is common with all vehicles which operate on Electric Power Steering, and the lifespan is about 8 to 10 years. He mentioned that vehicles with hydraulic power steering rarely have steering rack failures. Is this true?

The recent failure of the steering rack in my vehicle has also suggested that a half-cut steering rack is not a wise option for the replacement of the faulty or broken steering rack as in my experience, it does not last long. The steering rack of my vehicle a Ford Focus mk3 malfunctioned last year when it was 8 years old with mileage 70,000+ km. During that time, the steering rack could not be turned when the engine was started and the error message came up on the display, it was towed to the workshop for the replacement of the steering rack. However, just after 8 months, the (half-cut) steering rack failed again this year and this time, it was much dangerous. It happened when I was driving the car on the road, and the message suddenly came up and the steering wheel cannot be turned! This was when the car was moving at speed on the road and the steering wheel became very stiff and cannot be turned easily. I have to use all my energy to steer the vehicle to the emergency lane. This is extremely dangerous and can cause an accident. If it's a senior citizen, he/she might not have the energy to steer the vehicle to the emergency lane due to the very stiff steering wheel, and the vehicle might need to stop in the middle of the road or highway.

I am not sure if this is an inherent issue with the Ford Focus mk3 in that the steering rack fails rather early, in my case going into the 8th year with low mileage. I was made to understand that all other Focus mk3 also has this same problem and some owners experienced even earlier failure in their 3rd or 4th year. So back to the question. Does anyone here experience a steering rack failure in your vehicle, and how was the situation like? In my case it was a dangerous experience. Does this happen in all vehicles which come with EPS? Some checks on the internet revealed that the steering rack has a lifespan and will somehow fail at some point of time, and the average lifespan is around 160,000 km depending on usage pattern.

Perhaps I made a mistake of going with half-cut steering racks which have a short lifespan. A new steering rack will likely have a longer lifespan but it's fairly costly (RM13k at service centre for the Focus mk3), lower price at outside workshops.
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Honda HRV 1.8 2017 Claim Steering rack at 60k km in 2022. Mine was due to a knocking sound turning left to right and not moving back into place after turning (only happened during a full turn). HRV issue is due to the the size of the steering rack used on bigger and heavier car therefore, mostly are knocking sound issues. If not mistaken, the steering rack is the same as City.

Another issue is due to the underbuilt quality and electric power steering. Not how it used to be. Last time, we used a steering pump; therefore, the steering rack needed to be heavy-duty. Now totally flimsy.

This post has been edited by JON97: Dec 18 2023, 08:32 AM
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post Dec 17 2023, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(JON97 @ Dec 13 2023, 11:50 PM)
Honda HRV 1.8 2017 Claim Steering rack at 60k km in 2022. Mine was due to a knocking sound turning left to right and not moving back into place after turning (only happened during a full turn). HRV issue on the other hand it is use to the size of the steering rack used on bigger and heavier car therefore, mostly are knocking sound issues. If not mistaken, the steering rack is the same as City.

Another issue is due to the underbuilt quality and electric power steering. Not how it used to be. Last time, we used a steering pump; therefore, the steering rack needed to be heavy-duty. Now totally flimsy.
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Thanks for the information. It's good to know you managed to claim the steering rack of your HRV under warranty just before the 5 year warranty ends.
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post Dec 28 2023, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Dec 13 2023, 11:40 PM)
Best to contact them before you send in so they can allocate a time slot for you. I only collected the following day.

For AP, when I tried to contact them, it seems like they are not aware of the type of specs for my rack, so I wasn't sure whether to go with them or not.
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This DS Auto workshop, do they expert to check ECU as well?
Not sure the problem of my car related to steering rack or ECU, so thinking of sending it to workshop that expert in both.
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post Feb 24 2024, 07:50 PM

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My almera N17 9 year old plus using EPS steering send to workshop check the technician say that my steering rack on left side have sound when he hit the rack consider faulty, but my car didn't come out error indicator light and my steering become more soft when turned but have metal sound and kor kor sound . Do i need to replace the steering rack or continue driving or with cause in dangerous situation?

This post has been edited by acespeed88: Feb 24 2024, 07:51 PM
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post Feb 25 2024, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(acespeed88 @ Feb 24 2024, 07:50 PM)
My almera N17 9 year old plus using EPS steering send to workshop check the technician say that my steering rack on left side have sound when he hit the rack consider faulty, but my car didn't come out error indicator light and my steering become more soft when turned but have metal sound and kor kor sound . Do i need to replace the steering rack or continue driving or with cause in dangerous situation?
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How much does a new steering rack cost? Is the workshop where you sent your vehicle for check up the authorised Nissan service centre? FWIW the question you are asking if you need to replace the steering rack or continue to drive it, or it's a dangerous situation, I would ask the service centre rather than the forum since they would be able to assess the actual situation. Who knows only certain parts are faulty and the whole steering rack is not required to be replaced, just change certain faulty parts only?

I believe the parts for the Nissan Almera N17 won't be too costly like some vehicles such as Ford Focus where the steering rack replacement costs RM9k+ outside workshop (although price may have dropped a little now). Better change it if there are noises when you turn the steering wheel left or right. My only recommendation is to get it done in the service centre if possible, or only reliable workshops or mechanics outside.
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post Feb 25 2024, 08:47 AM

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The question if it's a dangerous situation and whether you can continue to drive the Nissan Almera N17 with the noises, so far it's the Ford Focus mk3 that show this dangerous situation when the steering rack fails. There is no report or experiences of this same dangerous situation on this thread with other vehicles so I presume it's only the Ford Focus mk3.

If there's no error message that pops up on the screen and the steering wheel can still be turned, it should be alright.

Just to reiterate, the situation is only dangerous when the driver is unable to turn the steering wheel when the vehicle is still moving on the road, the steering wheel becoming very stiff. It will happen suddenly without any warning.
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post Feb 25 2024, 02:15 PM

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small rim still can steer without any power assist one. just like old cars lo
big rim susah, yet doable
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post Feb 25 2024, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Feb 25 2024, 08:47 AM)
The question if it's a dangerous situation and whether you can continue to drive the Nissan Almera N17 with the noises, so far it's the Ford Focus mk3 that show this dangerous situation when the steering rack fails. There is no report or experiences of this same dangerous situation on this thread with other vehicles so I presume it's only the Ford Focus mk3.

If there's no error message that pops up on the screen and the steering wheel can still be turned, it should be alright.

Just to reiterate, the situation is only dangerous when the driver is unable to turn the steering wheel when the vehicle is still moving on the road, the steering wheel becoming very stiff. It will happen suddenly without any warning.
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Thank for advice.
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post Mar 16 2024, 08:45 AM

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I guess good also crappy honda steering racks low quailty to be changed freq. My ketam changed 2x warranty(rm7k+) n 3rd after/refurbished(1.8k)
Most issues just their famous kluk,ticking noises n 1 claimed issue some minor kickbacks.
So far heard most H owners dont hv severe racks issue) incidents.
Now civic Fe owners some had changes more than 3 times n many 2x .
Recently got G10 accord also kena racks issue, which i didnt realize until SC told me n said seems rare no issue usually for this model, cost 21k. Lagi giler

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