Russia is upgrading its tanks with Arena M active protection system







https://tass.com/defense/1599611

Arena M system:- How it works


This post has been edited by judas: May 12 2023, 12:42 AM

Shut up and quickly finish the war

Well does this explains why there is only 1 tank in the military parade?

huh seems like ERA didnt do very well if they needed APS

Not bad ,time to be battlefield proven .

Congratulations UK on escalating the war to next level.

If Ukraine is allowed to shoot long-range missile now against Russia, I suppose on the opposite side it is only fair that Russia would start firing hypersonic missiles at Kiev.

This ain't ending anytime soon with USA and UK main culprits of shit stirring to look like the hero of the world.

u just got out from cave?

russian has been firing long range hypersonic missile towards ukraine

You got reading comprehension is it? Escalation means much more rapid firings to come and Ukraine citizens better start packing their bags soon. Nothing good come out of this sending by UK.

o m g game changer

Sumpah rumah I ada 10 Ferrari. Betol-betol ada, semua dlm bengkel servis je, that's why I drive Saga today, my maid car.

much more rapid firing pulak......

lmao....
stupid delusional pootin simps
always got own theory 1

so if ukraine dont do anything, pootin will slow down on missile firing??

btw, when pootin want unleash secret weapon? winter already passed

Drop 5 nukes on Kiev first, then Putin can proceed to drop 6995 nukes equally on Europe and USA

/lol

putin

Putin die = war end

Aih everytime you post, you only show yourself how stupid you sound to the whole world. You poor sad soul.

so pekan kecik bila lagi nak fall?

what happened to Armata?

Patriot: "bring it on"

so upgrade from cardboard filled ERA to something that actually has some explosives in it?

Too expensive
Now all of the old tanks gets arena M.

fake news
according to media and /k, all RU tanks already destroyed in UA

lel

just like Su-57 - so expensive and so awesome that "we didn't need to buy more, what we got is enough to defeat NATO"

Armata is certainly quite expensive, for a bunch of parade floats...

according to Russian media and /k, Ukraine Air Force entirely destroyed by February 26, 2022

TASS says 421 AFU aircraft have been destroyed
pretty impressive for a country that started with less than 200, all types.

Current reports are very conflicting, some mention Ukrainians moving towards Russian border. We still have to see if any of this is real, but the situation is rather similar to September and November regroupings.

I don't know why, every time you criticise people, it sounds more apt to describe you. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

When can someone creates a shield that does this.


Shield of Reflection
Armor (shield), rare (requires attunement)

Crafted from pure platinum and polished to a mirror finish. This shield reflects the world around it perfectly.

While holding this shield you gain a +1 bonus to your AC, in addition to the normal bonus of a shield. Due to the magic in the shield, any shapechanger or someone altering their appearance is shown as their true self in the reflection of the mirror.

The Shield of Reflection has 5 charges, you can expend a charge to turn an attack back against the attacker. When you are targeted by a melee or ranged attack and the attacker rolls high enough to hit you, you can use your reaction to send the attack back to them. The attacker then becomes the target of the attack. Use the same roll. If the attack you are reflecting is a critical hit, it takes 3 charges to reflect.

You can expend 3 charges to reflect a spell at the one who cast it. The spell reflected must have only one target. If the attack requires a saving throw, the caster must save against their spell save DC.

The Shield of Reflection regains 1d4+1 charges at dawn. If you expend all 5 charges, roll a d20. On a 1, the shield instantly shatters and becomes nonmagical. Nothing short of a wish spell can repair it.

RuAF functions exactly like a dysfunctional corporation where departments and functions compete against each other instead of working together, and prioritize/ inflate their own department KPIs to the detriment of the larger org.

Kek
Thats some menral gymnastics there buddy

Sounds like malaisya government....

Ownself revise from 'start' to 'much more rapid' when corrected, then gaslight it on other people's 'reading comprehension'.

according to kumaos, defend against yourself is escalating haha

what a sad bunch of losers...

well then, it be interesting to see these new reactive armor in action.
there is so much russian hardware i want to see in action but they never in frontline.

T-14 Armata, SU 57, the latest one is the BMPT2 Terminator which after one was blown up and never see anymore on the field from both sides of media.

well in this case it is TASS simply making up bullshit

as for the Russian Air Force, the RUSI report is very illuminating on their operational shortcomings, you should check it out. TL;DR attempts were made, but in a haphazard and occasionally lepaskan batuk di tangga, makan gaji fashion.

This war could have been the best marketing opportunity for Russian weapons makers, but looking at the burning hulks of T90s, T-80s and captured vehicles, I think it set their reputation back by many decades. Now almost everyone thinks Russian stuff is either junk or vaporware

🤦‍♂️

Always the same shortsighted Ukraine groupies gathering circlejerking each other again day after day to momentarily feel good and righteous then proceed with their miserable life clearly seen from the collective toxicity, what an eyesore bunch.

Narrowminded and shortsighted people like you bunch mentioned do what they do best, not being able to see the forest from the one tree in front of them, not able to comprehend Ukraine had been manipulated to destruction from the start and still being manipulated present day to continue fight harder banging the wall until Ukraine's future and fate is eventually sealed.

Gloat under your delusions as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that Ukraine is being led by the nose to the path of destruction even faster now.

u talk so much, winter mana?

Hindustan times one of the most pro Russian channel.

Almost zero pro Putin in China media, yet people still accusing China as pro Russia.

Lolcow mode activated

Already Spring you ask Winter for what? If think that's a effective diss, sorry to dissapoint you that it is not. EU members is no longer as collectively supportive of Ukraine compared to before last Winter given their own self interest and difficulties economically outweights so called "selflessly helping Ukraine in the name of justice" in the present day are all after-effects of the whole Winter 2023.

So very collectively stupid if you bunch groupies that kept using the "Winter how, winter how?" asif victorious but in actuality refuse to acknowledge the effects thereafter since, bodoh betul. 😒

This post has been edited by Etude8891: May 12 2023, 09:00 AM

your the one talking so big about what going to happen to EU and Ukraine come winter time.
so winter mana?

talk so big already fail but yet still want to tunjuk bodo to us topkek!

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: May 12 2023, 09:00 AM

Only bodo will believe such fake news

already debunked, the one thats shot down is BETAB-500 bomb. look at comparison of the alleged "kinzhal" vs actual

wrong
it matches previous Kinzhal wreckage recovered last year
this is in fact from Russian sources



This post has been edited by KLthinker91: May 12 2023, 09:59 AM

good jobs Putin!

bullshit, so youre telling me Klitschko is 6m tall to stand next to a 7m long Kinzhal?

look carefully, the section he's standing next to is only part of the whole missile, in the top right corner of the collage I posted

its not even lined the same nor the same size

this is how big a Kinzhal is FYI

All the fuss about S400: can't shoot down Himars
All the fuss about T90, laser jammers, kena bantai by Javelin
All the fuss about Khinzai hypersonic: kena shot down by Patriot
All the fuss about SU-34: kena shot down by obsolete stinger

Now this? all bullshit and overhyped

This post has been edited by mezanny: May 12 2023, 11:01 AM

So you think the whole missile is intact when it is shot down ?

adoiii another cannot see the difference.. even if its the tip, the shape is already different? thickest point the diameter of kinzhal is 1.2m. so even if its the top part the diameter is still wider than what an average human is

also patriot destroys missile via brute kinetic force, what do you think happens when a patriot travelling at mach 4 hits an incoming kinzhal at mach10? protip, everything will be in pieces

I really have to do this eh?
leading an ass to water...



you know this, or you logic with your brain?
because let me tell you, evidence defies ill-informed logic

if these upgraded tanks don roll into kiev in 3 months, how then?

upgrade their jets and missiles with reactive armor too?

This post has been edited by seather: May 12 2023, 11:25 AM

so youre telling me physics taught you when a mach 4 collides with mach 10 and somehow the projectile will retain its shape?

ghey

kad upgrading dah keluar

none to spare for one of the greatest yearly display of Russian military might except for one lonely T34 tank lol

at least modern tank la why show off t34

make sense or not? lmao

you may need to read on this, it doesn't fly mach 10 all the way.
and the Khinzal is not really a true hypersonic missile. according to popular mechanics site and US think tank, it is more of a ballistic missile than hypersonic due to its inability to maneuver at high speed.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/w...not-hypersonic/



if it got shot down with its propulsion taken out, there is a good possible chance that it will retain its shape considering the special material it needed to sustain the mark 10 flight at some point.

eh eh kau ni...this topic started by your judas priest maa

we just turn up to reply suddenly get accused. Are you upset you ppl cant have your usual wankfest? did we ruin your circlejerk group therapy sessions?

not sorry lol

more like Mach 3+ and Mach 6
Kinzhal is not as fast as Putin claims

US military thinking has always stated that missile intercepts can still cause significant damage from fragments. the intercept can destroy the weapon, throw it off course, or damage its fuze so it doesn't explode - such as here - but large fragments remain

a glancing blow especially would be enough to damage the Kinzhal sufficiently so that it tears itself apart but into discrete pieces

besides, as the picture of the recovered Kinzhal from 2022 shows, Kinzhal can slam into the ground at Mach 6 (or less) and retain recognisable fragments

what, did you imagine that the weapon would literally atomise?

get the war over and return the world peace!
we dun want the high food price to feed the stomach

ya fast2 escalate and flatten ukraine and end it.

yes thats currently the kinzhal's weakness, intercept it during early-mid launch but the issue is a patriot isnt a long range interceptor

thats why the math doesnt compute. kinzhal boosts "up to" mach 10 only when close to the target. at its top speed of 205km/s (assuming it went into the hypersonic mode) a patriot battery with pac2 missile (160km range) has only seconds to live adjust its trajectory to intercept the kinzhal. also kinzhal is an endo atmospheric type missile which are more unpredictable compared to usual ballistic missile paths

not saying impossible but assuming average 30% interception chance, and UA firing at least 4-6 missiles per kinzhal to increase chances and it can hit. but the main issue is can UA with their limited equip detect kinzhal fast enough for patriot to react? US has multiple early warning systems that does that, UA dont

thats why claims of "up to" but the thing is its still a darn beech to intercept given what UA has even if it goes beyond mach4. US has high success with patriot as they have a multitude of other systems to boost to patriot's accuracy in tracking

not atomise, but be in so many pieces its literally unidentifiable

the kinzhal from 2022 is reported to crash with the MIG-31K, so i dont think its launched even nor is it in hypersonic speeds

Notice me senpai!

just read my damn posts up there

Kinzhal is CLAIMED by Putin to reach Mach 10, but other sources dismiss this claim on the basis that Iskander on which Kinzhal is based doesn't go that fast; the US rates Kinzhal at around Mach 6

the Kinzhal was probably shot down by a Patriot PAC-3, not PAC-2. PAC-3 has enhanced anti-ballistic missile capabilities and was tested extensively against US ballistic missile targets. the range of the missile itself is not the same as radar tracking time, for the obvious reason that radar has much greater range than a missile, and can be placed in different areas and networked together

the Kinzhal's pathing wouldn't be hard to predict at all because the faster it flies, the longer it takes to change course significantly. anyone who drives should know that. Patriot is designed to intercept a wide range of targets including manoeuvreing fighters

You're theorising so many possibilities yet can't see the damn thing is inside the missile.

Still useless if against top down trajectory anti tank missile like the javelin

yes these are claims, but US CSIS also knew it can reach up to mach 10, thats not something where taht capability can be dismissed entirely

but prob is the pac 3 is too short range vs the longer range pac2 to quickly intercept the incoming? with longer range pac2 they can fire more in advance, intercepting it further before it went into that mode of impossible to intercept. anywho, the key ingredient always has been whether or not UA has enough early detection radar to help the patriot system. if they do then yes they have a chance, but so far i dont see it given how they couldnt intercept previous kinzhals

correct yes, but at same time the danger part is when it can go hypersonic + new pathfinding. think of it like this, if say in my radar i see you approaching north while driving at 100km/hr, and i send out vehicles to intercept you based on your current pathing + speed. suddenly you floor the pedal and changed direction slightly + reaching 300km/h, so what ive informed to the interceptors are now moot and i have to adjust on the fly on your new pathing. problem is do i still have time to adjust? thats why hypersonics are dangerous, cause it really shorten the hell out of the reaction time

it is possible to intercept at almost point blank if during hypersonic phase the patriot fired in time during its final pathing mode but thats too damn close for comfort + much luck involved

which i argued back that the kinzhal due to sheer kinetic energy wouldve shattered in pieces if it was indeed hit by patriot?

Now no more arguing about it's size?

CSIS is a civilian nonprofit think tank, it compiles data
in this case, the Mach 10 claim is from Russian statements
which sorry to say, has been mostly indah khabar dari rupa so far (Su-57, Armata, Lider, etc)


true
well, the IADS network now continues to build up with more NATO batteries being delivered, thus coverage is expanding


yes, but Kinzhal is not a "true" hypersonic
one way to describe it is ballistically hypersonic vs manoeuvreing hypersonic

"manouevreing hypersonic" is as you say, can pull of manoeuvres while at Mach 5+. very few existing weapons can do this. the only Russian weapon claimed to be manouevreing hypersonic is Avangard.

"ballistically hypersonic" doesn't manouevre at Mach 5. either it slows down to manoeuvre, or its path is basically straight down (Ballistic). all ballistic weapons do this. the first ballistically hypersonic weapon is 80 years old - Nazi Germany's V-2 rocket.

luck always plays a part
but in this case, it seems that one way or another, the Kinzhal entered the Patriot's engagement envelope

for what it's worth, the USA claims to corroborate Ukraine's account:
"I'm not going to get into the specifics or trying to characterize it, other than, again, to say we can confirm that the Ukrainians took down this Russian missile with a Patriot missile defense system."
although it is unclear whether the missile was launched by a US-donated Patriot or a Dutch-donated Patriot

Makan tank bateri or not these things?

how many more days/weeks/winter before ukraine gets destroyed, bro.

🤦‍♂️ Idiots multiplying. Don't understand that if continue its heading to WW3 and not just remain localized in their continent is it?

the second most powerful army in Ukraine doesn't really have the prestige to initiate a world war