what happened to Armata?

Patriot: "bring it on"

lel

just like Su-57 - so expensive and so awesome that "we didn't need to buy more, what we got is enough to defeat NATO"

Armata is certainly quite expensive, for a bunch of parade floats...

according to Russian media and /k, Ukraine Air Force entirely destroyed by February 26, 2022

TASS says 421 AFU aircraft have been destroyed
pretty impressive for a country that started with less than 200, all types.

well in this case it is TASS simply making up bullshit

as for the Russian Air Force, the RUSI report is very illuminating on their operational shortcomings, you should check it out. TL;DR attempts were made, but in a haphazard and occasionally lepaskan batuk di tangga, makan gaji fashion.

wrong
it matches previous Kinzhal wreckage recovered last year
this is in fact from Russian sources



This post has been edited by KLthinker91: May 12 2023, 09:59 AM

look carefully, the section he's standing next to is only part of the whole missile, in the top right corner of the collage I posted

I really have to do this eh?
leading an ass to water...



you know this, or you logic with your brain?
because let me tell you, evidence defies ill-informed logic

more like Mach 3+ and Mach 6
Kinzhal is not as fast as Putin claims

US military thinking has always stated that missile intercepts can still cause significant damage from fragments. the intercept can destroy the weapon, throw it off course, or damage its fuze so it doesn't explode - such as here - but large fragments remain

a glancing blow especially would be enough to damage the Kinzhal sufficiently so that it tears itself apart but into discrete pieces

besides, as the picture of the recovered Kinzhal from 2022 shows, Kinzhal can slam into the ground at Mach 6 (or less) and retain recognisable fragments

what, did you imagine that the weapon would literally atomise?

Kinzhal is CLAIMED by Putin to reach Mach 10, but other sources dismiss this claim on the basis that Iskander on which Kinzhal is based doesn't go that fast; the US rates Kinzhal at around Mach 6

the Kinzhal was probably shot down by a Patriot PAC-3, not PAC-2. PAC-3 has enhanced anti-ballistic missile capabilities and was tested extensively against US ballistic missile targets. the range of the missile itself is not the same as radar tracking time, for the obvious reason that radar has much greater range than a missile, and can be placed in different areas and networked together

the Kinzhal's pathing wouldn't be hard to predict at all because the faster it flies, the longer it takes to change course significantly. anyone who drives should know that. Patriot is designed to intercept a wide range of targets including manoeuvreing fighters

CSIS is a civilian nonprofit think tank, it compiles data
in this case, the Mach 10 claim is from Russian statements
which sorry to say, has been mostly indah khabar dari rupa so far (Su-57, Armata, Lider, etc)


true
well, the IADS network now continues to build up with more NATO batteries being delivered, thus coverage is expanding


yes, but Kinzhal is not a "true" hypersonic
one way to describe it is ballistically hypersonic vs manoeuvreing hypersonic

"manouevreing hypersonic" is as you say, can pull of manoeuvres while at Mach 5+. very few existing weapons can do this. the only Russian weapon claimed to be manouevreing hypersonic is Avangard.

"ballistically hypersonic" doesn't manouevre at Mach 5. either it slows down to manoeuvre, or its path is basically straight down (Ballistic). all ballistic weapons do this. the first ballistically hypersonic weapon is 80 years old - Nazi Germany's V-2 rocket.

luck always plays a part
but in this case, it seems that one way or another, the Kinzhal entered the Patriot's engagement envelope

for what it's worth, the USA claims to corroborate Ukraine's account:
"I'm not going to get into the specifics or trying to characterize it, other than, again, to say we can confirm that the Ukrainians took down this Russian missile with a Patriot missile defense system."
although it is unclear whether the missile was launched by a US-donated Patriot or a Dutch-donated Patriot