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 Digital bank Rize, By Al Rajhi Bank

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post Apr 20 2023, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 20 2023, 05:57 PM)
Versa 3.95% until june only. back to 3.55% after that...but lose out to KDI in depositing and withdrawal..
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4% is until June 🤦‍♀️ 3.95% is actual the base net return since Feb 🤦‍♀️

3.55% is January base net return as the base net return changes monthly after distribution is paid out 🤦‍♀️

As long as the fund size is at 1.2billion it is easy for them give out 3.8% consistently with the current OPR

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post Apr 21 2023, 04:33 AM

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QUOTE(NoNameSoldier @ Apr 20 2023, 08:18 PM)
BNM only authorized All Rajhi bank ..
Beside saying POWERED BY AL RAJHI BANK, there was no declarations and commitment saying they are part of the bank or whatsoever
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PIDM coverage and the card issued by Al Rajhi bank with their contact details and registered company and address under it 🤦‍♀️

They don’t need to say it because it is registered under Al Rajhi just like MAE 🤦‍♀️

QUOTE(BWassup @ Apr 20 2023, 09:13 PM)
How did they get PIDM if not under Al Rajii?
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Yes that is right they are using PIDM coverage under Al Rajhi
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post Apr 21 2023, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(PueRTeaA @ Apr 21 2023, 08:32 AM)
https://www.pidm.gov.my/en/how-we-protect-y...em/member-banks

The PIDM registered bank is "Al Rajhi Banking & Investment Corporation (Malaysia) Berhad"

For Al Rajhi Bank, how can the wording "Investment" use for PIDM as usually investment banking not cover for PIDM :confused:  :confused:  :confused:
They can merge the conventional banking and Investment bank become 1 entity and get PIDM cover :confused:

For local bank, usually conventional bank and investment bank is 2 different entity.
For this case, if the Al Rajhi Bank investment business invest in Grade C Bond and ''zhap lap'' which affect their conventional banking and Digital Banking(Rize), do we still get PIDM cover?

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Bottom also got the notes, Investment bank can not be a member of PIDM.

Non-Member Institutions:
Investment banks
Overseas branches of member banks
Development financial institutions and cooperative banks
All non-bank financial intermediaries such as provident and pension funds, co-operative societies, housing credit institutions and building societies which are not supervised or regulated by Bank Negara Malaysia
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It is just the name only 🤦‍♀️ as long as BNM give them a banking license doesn’t matter because PIDM coverage is not based on company but specific products itself 🤦‍♀️

QUOTE(BrookLes @ Apr 21 2023, 09:39 AM)
Anyone have major issue scanning ic? Why they cannot just allow user to manually take a photo. Really stupid and troublesome.

And I am a gamer so if I cannot do it most ppl cannot do it too.
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Not stupid and troublesome when the ekyc scanning rules rules are set by BNM as to capture actual live scan of the ID 🤦‍♀️

QUOTE(confusedway @ Apr 21 2023, 10:22 AM)
Bro, PIDM protect the 'product' bank offer eg saving account etc... but not the whole banking entity, which you mentioned investment banking are not part of the product that is covered under PIDM... some banks like sotong and harimau bank also offers products that not covered under PIDM, so can we say harimau bank saving account are not cover or protected by PIDM???
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Yes that’s why some ppl doesn’t understand between product and entity 🤦‍♀️ BNM license to entity while PIDM cover only specific product and doesn’t cover for the entire banks

Remember that the Sotong bank is involved with the CS bonds yet does PIDM cover them 🤦‍♀️ is a very good example of your illustration 👏
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post Apr 21 2023, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 21 2023, 12:49 PM)
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Are you guys talking about whether this Rize fund is protected by PIDM?
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Someone is confused because of the entity and not the product 🤦‍♀️ which is being covered by PIDM as they are mandated only to cover all registered and licensed banks by BNM on savings and FD products only with the exception of BSN savings and FD which is covered by the govt itself
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post Apr 21 2023, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(PueRTeaA @ Apr 21 2023, 01:10 PM)
Damm, seem PIDM just a marketing gimmick, bank sell 1 product under PIDM, then keep promote we are under PIDM, then sell other 99 product no cover see which customer will fall into doh.gif

Is like shipee discount voucher giv u 99% but max cap at RM 1 biggrin.gif
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If you want blame the banks for using it as marketing blame it on BNM 🤦‍♀️ as PIDM is only is to covered the sum insured set by BNM on certain products and any marketed using the name PIDM it is BNM fault not to regulate it on the marketing standpoint use of it

Customer fall into it only for one reason not financially savvy enough and be too greedy 🤦‍♀️ as you got to hand it to Shipee as they innovative to use max cap but yet ppl blinded by the greed with 99% without reading the t and c 🤦‍♀️

QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Apr 21 2023, 01:14 PM)
to trick stupid consumers who fall for it
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Not all consumers are financial savvy in the 1st place 🤦‍♀️ otherwise we won’t see the rise of the scams
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post Apr 21 2023, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(PueRTeaA @ Apr 21 2023, 01:26 PM)
I fill self-employed. May be they don't like self-employed as someone mention bank got discriminate self-employed customer. hmm.gif
I do email them, no update. Just now 1:21pm try login still in processing....I registered on 18 April, as the App mention max 1-2 working day, haiz

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Likely is your ekyc failed with ID scan

Call them on Tuesday and ask why
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post Apr 21 2023, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Apr 21 2023, 02:13 PM)
You all dare put money in this bank? shop also don't have. the extra 1% more interest not worth the risk.
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Otherwise why do you think why TNG, Boost and GrabPay doesn’t have shop why ppl still put in money and use 🤦‍♀️

It is not like you put all your money into it just a portion of your savings as you think have shop means stability and won’t collapse 🤦‍♀️ CS have shown you otherwise if if they got shop 🤦‍♀️

QUOTE(vhs @ Apr 21 2023, 02:37 PM)
Never seen this bank as one of the licensed digital bank before.
https://www.bnm.gov.my/-/digital-bank-5-licences

Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) wishes to announce the five successful applicants for the digital bank licences as approved by the Minister of Finance Malaysia.

A. The following applicants are to be licensed under the Financial Services Act 2013 (FSA):

a consortium of Boost Holdings Sdn. Bhd. and RHB Bank Berhad;

a consortium led by GXS Bank Pte. Ltd. and Kuok Brothers Sdn. Bhd; and

a consortium led by Sea Limited and YTL Digital Capital Sdn Bhd.

B. The following applicants are to be licensed under the Islamic Financial Services Act 2013 (IFSA):

a consortium of AEON Financial Service Co., Ltd., AEON Credit Service (M) Berhad and MoneyLion Inc.; and

a consortium led by KAF Investment Bank Sdn. Bhd.
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Anyone can be a digital bank as long as the money is transacted through licensed bank itself 🤦‍♀️ in this case it is through Al Rajhi

Even TnG can be a digital bank as long they are partnering one with bank license holder currently

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 21 2023, 02:48 PM)
I think the savings account under AlRajhi Bank but on different platform... In this case Rize

Something like that...
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Yes as the actual physical money is transacted through Al Rajhi network while the execution is done through Rize while piggybacking and collecting just the data from Al Rajhi hence Rize Platform which doesn’t have or hold the actual money
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QUOTE(wan7075 @ Apr 21 2023, 04:02 PM)
Bankcard RM10, first year free, 8 ATM withdrawals free monthly + 9th onwards : 0.50 each

may i confirm do it mean the ATM withdrawal through MEPS is free for 8x monthly?
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Better check with your bank issuance card as some banks known not to honour it and force you take option 2 instead 🤦‍♀️
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 21 2023, 04:42 PM)
so it's kinda safe then...

only is the data being "exploited" for their marketing & others purposes
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As long as PDPA is adhered no issue on marketing purposes if they share internally

QUOTE(virulence @ Apr 21 2023, 04:54 PM)
you can check Support under FAQ on their website, it does state their Support team operates 24/7
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24/7 is only fraud team everything else is by banking hours 🤦‍♀️

QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Apr 21 2023, 05:00 PM)
Yes indeed it is very confusing as there are 2 different amended TnCs as below:

https://www.rize.com.my/application/themes/...OTICE_Final.pdf

https://www.rize.com.my/application/themes/..._Rize_Final.pdf

So which is the real final one??? :confused:
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No confusion as there is no final one 🤦‍♀️

The 1st is the master while the amended 2nd is only to cover the interest calculation only
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Apr 21 2023, 05:39 PM)
I will try again in a few days time.
Unless it's my card too old or something, I think the exact position that I need to place in order for my card to be scanned is a little bit too much. Not worth this few dollars(I can still put in versa in the mean time for 4%)

Sometimes I dunno what is their purpose. Why make until so complicated. When I scanned using other application also not so difficult. Even though my card is a little bit old.
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The purpose is to capture the actual size of the ID 🤦‍♀️ as mandated by BNM and the problems lies in the image capture recognition app that they use embed to it

QUOTE(virulence @ Apr 21 2023, 05:51 PM)
I tried to transfer 50k to another bank earlier but the Rize app said transaction was blocked and to contact CS. I was annoyed and thinking today was a holiday too but in about 2 mins their CS called me to verify regarding this transaction. Not sure if this is a good thing as this security is to avoid scams.
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At least now we know that fraud team is actually working 24/7 since there is such security in place 👏
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QUOTE(BWassup @ Apr 21 2023, 06:37 PM)
If the debit card charge is a deal breaker to anyone, one way to test it would be to deposit a small amount now, but don't apply for the debit card yet, and see what kind of interest you get for April. According to the Amended T&C effective 20 March 2023:

"Profit earned from relevant Special Profit Rate will be credited to the Eligible Customer’s CMSA on the 1st of every month beginning on 1 March 2023".

So from the profit credited on 1 May 2023, the special profit rate applied can be derived.

Then you know what to do next.
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I thought minimum amount is rm20? Or it can be as small as 0.01

QUOTE(CyberKewl @ Apr 21 2023, 06:41 PM)
even small transaction will call. large one lagi call for sure. their fraud detection team is really good from what i experienced.
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Now can really can confirm 24/7 fraud detection team

Even better than having 997 👏
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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 21 2023, 08:15 PM)
Talking about fraud, how does bank verify that those fraudulent transactions are not done by the account holder? And how does the account holder prove that they didn't actually perform those transactions?
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Because the app is using linked device these days hence they would know 🤦‍♀️ together with TAC they can verify it easily
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QUOTE(CyberKewl @ Apr 21 2023, 09:53 PM)
regardless of who made transaction they will call to be sure. that's the best way. no special detection.
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What makes you think that call is able to confirm the transaction? 🤦‍♀️ Call can be spoofed and even personal details can be verified easily if the personal details is leaked out 🤦‍♀️

The best way is triple factor authentication with device, TAC and Facial or thumb recognition in order to authenticate it properly
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post Apr 22 2023, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(CyberKewl @ Apr 22 2023, 07:24 AM)
they call you and if calling you can be spoofed or intercepted then koyak ledi...if u call diff story..
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Why on earth would you call unless you are unable to access the account 🤦‍♀️

With AI tech advancement these days voice spoofing it is easily done and hardly for banks are able to detect it which is why linked device is being used now for a reason
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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Apr 22 2023, 10:48 PM)
Is Rize on daily interest or mthly ?
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Read already mentioned many times 🤦‍♀️ monthly
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QUOTE(hlyh1230 @ Apr 23 2023, 06:38 PM)
just got response from CS, the debit card is not compulsory to be acquired in order to enjoy the 5% promotional rate
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Yes if you open under the Apple promo campaign

QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Apr 23 2023, 09:13 PM)
ask for black and white documentation.
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https://www.rize.com.my/application/themes/...(CleanCopy).pdf

Only Valid for those open under Apple campaign 🤦‍♀️
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QUOTE(BWassup @ Apr 23 2023, 10:01 PM)
Presumably this promo is also eligible for 5% interest?

Rize keeps amending their campaign. Those who opened a week earlier and applied for debit card must be annoyed. Hope they can just waive all debit card fee charge for the first year. tongue.gif
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Yes based on this landing page https://www.rize.com.my/index.php/promotions#acquisition

All accounts are eligible for 5% provided meet the criteria date

Apple promo is one off for 30 days starting from 420

QUOTE(oks911 @ Apr 23 2023, 10:11 PM)
I applied my Rize account on 19 April 2023 and it is pending activation as of today. May I know do I entire for this campaign, RIZE ACQUISITION CAMPAIGN 2023?
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Yes it is based on activation date as per TnC 🤦‍♀️

QUOTE(PueRTeaA @ Apr 23 2023, 10:54 PM)
Got Apple campaign ?

I read website only got Rize Deposit Campaign 2023 & Rize Acquisition Campaign 2023.

BTW lucky draw prize winning chance is very low, I bet lau li kong gang & family will win First or 2nd prize  ranting.gif
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Apple campaign only started at 420 🤦‍♀️ won’t be lau li kong winning it because the chances are fixed and very low 🤦‍♀️ as 0.005% chances of winning
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QUOTE(LuckyBai @ Apr 24 2023, 12:36 AM)
Do you know monies not in the savings pot can earn interest, right ?
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Technically yes based on the disclosure from T and C
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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Apr 24 2023, 10:55 AM)
why do they have a clause that says transfer out first 5K is free and transfer out more than 5K there is a charge of RM0.50 per transfer.... tot digital bank should encourage online transfer more often n make it free ????? where is the logic?
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The logic is to pay the 5% interest to depositors 🤦‍♀️ and discourage bank runs and deposit transfer to other banks

QUOTE(virtualgay @ Apr 24 2023, 11:51 AM)
Need to write to BNM see can give pressure or not
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No point because BNM has approved this fee before they are able to charge 🤦‍♀️

QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 24 2023, 01:21 PM)
have to charge to give you high interest... wink.gif
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That is why ppl don’t understand how banks make money and pay depositors 🤦‍♀️
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QUOTE(wan7075 @ Apr 24 2023, 07:00 PM)
who si lau li kong? why you said he can get? he can hack into bank database to change the result? :confused:
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