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post Oct 11 2007, 06:28 AM


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Pictures of my gaharu trees



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post Oct 11 2007, 06:42 AM


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I thought agarwood can only be collected from dead fallen tree in the jungle ?? Never heard of commercially planted agarwood.
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post Oct 11 2007, 06:51 AM


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Yes, it is usually found in the jungle.But due to uncontrolled logging activities,the number of these trees have decreased.I just found out about this particular tree a few days ago from a man who is currently planting these trees.There is this one old guy planted agarwood trees on his 30 acres land and a Japanese investor wants to buy the trees for RM60 million.IM NOT JOKING.


Added on October 11, 2007, 6:53 amAgarwood, aloeswood, eaglewood, jinkoh, gaharu are names for the world's most valuable incense. This resinous material is produced by tropical rainforest trees and has been used for centuries as incense and in traditional medicine. In the past, old growth Aquilaria and Gyrinops trees were indiscriminately cut to find the resin (usually hidden within the center of only a few old trees). Today in many countries of Southeast Asia where the tree was once native, it has become very rare due to increased harvesting. The resinous wood or oil extracted from the inside of some trees is extremely valuable since it is highly regarded for use during Buddhist and Islamic cultural activities as well as an important ingredient in many traditional medicines. It is also an extremely important component in traditional Japanese incense ceremonies. Although most people in the United States and Europe are not familiar with this aromatic resinous wood, its use as incense (called aloeswood) is mentioned several times in the bible. People in the United States, Europe and other countries that have had the opportunity to smell the fragrance of this extraordinary incense find it very appealing and pleasant.

Aquilaria trees are now protected in most countries and the collection of agarwood is illegal from natural forests. International agreements, such as CITES (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora), accepted by 169 countries, is designed to ensure trade in agarwood products from wild trees does not threaten the survival of Aquilaria. Despite these efforts agarwood products from illegally cut trees continues to be sold and unknowing consumers create a demand that helps to destroy the last old growth Aquilaria trees in existence.

What triggers agarwood to form in some old growth trees has been an unsolved mystery.This technique consists of wounding trees in a specific manner and applying treatments to accelerate the natural defense responses of the tree. The technique allows a sustainable yield of resin to be produced in relatively young trees. Agarwood is a high value forest product that is easy to store and ship.The sustainable production of agarwood in plantation grown trees eliminates the need to cut old growth forest trees for the resin and will help save this endangered tree from possible extinction. This work also provides a source of cultivated agarwood so this magnificent aromatic resin can be enjoyed by people throughout the world.

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You could buy the trees for RM5-RM100 depending on the size and could plant around 450-600 trees on 1 acre of land.
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so, are you here to offer us "the trees"?
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post Oct 11 2007, 03:42 PM


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Hmmm... you can say that I am actually quite familiar with this topic because I am involved in a research related to gaharu. Just for your information, the price of the gaharu itself depends solely in the grade of the resin and cultivated gaharu is known to have a grade of around "C" which does not really fetch a good price in the market. There are still alot of grey area in this trade so you can say that there are risk involved.
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post Oct 12 2007, 06:27 AM


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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Oct 11 2007, 03:42 PM)
Hmmm... you can say that I am actually quite familiar with this topic because I am involved in a research related to gaharu. Just for your information, the price of the gaharu itself depends solely in the grade of the resin and cultivated gaharu is known to have a grade of around "C" which does not really fetch a good price in the market. There are still alot of grey area in this trade so you can say that there are risk involved.
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So do you think it's a good investment?So far I only heard positive stories about gaharu but you're the first one to tell me differently.But I really appreciate your opinion and your expertise though.I learned about gaharu from a man also doing a research on gaharu.He didn't mention anything negative about the plant.I wouldn't know because I am still new in this subject.In your honest opinion, how much does one kilogram of agarwood/resin cost in Malaysia?Do you think it's worth the money.I am planning to invest my money on these tress soon.Your opinion is much appreciated.
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What if there's 1k of person are planting this agarwood in Malaysia? Won't be the market price will also decrease? sweat.gif

Demand : High
Supply : Low
Market Price : High

Demand : High
Supply : High
Market Price : Normal
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What if there's 1k of person are planting this agarwood in Malaysia? Won't be the market price will also decrease? sweat.gif

Demand : High
Supply : Low
Market Price : High

Demand : High
Supply : High
Market Price : Normal
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I dont think it's so easy as planting it, then it will grow. Trees need time and skills to maintain it unfortunately...
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post Oct 12 2007, 02:15 PM


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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Oct 12 2007, 07:27 AM)
So do you think it's a good investment?So far I only heard positive stories about gaharu but you're the first one to tell me differently.But I really appreciate your opinion and your expertise though.I learned about  gaharu from a man also doing a research on gaharu.He didn't mention anything negative about the plant.I wouldn't know because I am still new in this subject.In your honest opinion, how much does one kilogram of agarwood/resin cost in Malaysia?Do you think it's worth the money.I am planning to invest my money on these tress soon.Your opinion is much appreciated.
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In my opinion, it is always a great investment to plant tree (because I am a forester tongue.gif). I have to first make myself clear that I am not trying to prevent you guys to plant the tree. Instead I want you guys to think about what I have to say and YOU yourself have to analyze the risk involve.

At the time being, there are alot of people in West Malaysia that is planting the tree. I myself know a close friend that has around two thousand tree intercropped in his oil palm estate which is growing nicely. What everyone has in mind is that "there are money to be made here" so they started to plant lots of it. What alot of people does not know is that planting the tree alone is not enough!!! In layman's term, you have to "treat" this tree in order for it to produce the valuable resin. Frankly speaking, this so called "treatment" is quite new to Malaysia and we did not have any convincing result that there is an effective treatment that we can use on the tree. At the moment, a lot of R&D department including the one that I am working in at the moment is testing the treatment out. On our side, we will at least need another 1 year to get some result. So for those that is interested to invest. You might have to take the risk that there might not be an effective treatment technique out there that you can use and the worse scenario is that you might need more than 7 years to grow the tree and you have to sell them off as timber or other wood based product.

Next is the price. You might have heard of those unbelievable expensive gaharu product somewhere before but mind you, those gaharu might be extracted from the wild (assuming no plantation can produce any at the moment). Good quality gaharu can fetch a price as high as rm60-70 per gram (rough estimation). Yes I know that it is kind of crazy but people actually pay to buy this stuff. Now back to the planting of the tree. Based on some data from Thailand which is way ahead of us in research. Gaharu produced in plantation will most likely give you grade "C" gaharu which can be sold as USD100 per kilo (around rm300, another rough estimation since i dont have my file with me now). So the real question is, Is it worth planting a tree for 7 years in hope of a return of rm300 per tree assuming the minimum resin production is 1 kilo per tree? There are actually a lot more to discuss here but I can only think about this for the time being.
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QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Oct 12 2007, 11:24 AM)
I dont think it's so easy as planting it, then it will grow. Trees need time and skills to maintain it unfortunately...
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It's not regarding easy or not to grow. This kind of market are the same like mushroom. It will grow whenever there's a chance to grow. smile.gif If you get what I mean.
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post Oct 12 2007, 11:41 PM


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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Oct 12 2007, 02:15 PM)
In my opinion, it is always a great investment to plant tree (because I am a forester tongue.gif). I have to first make myself clear that I am not trying to prevent you guys to plant the tree. Instead I want you guys to think about what I have to say and YOU yourself have to analyze the risk involve.

At the time being, there are alot of people in West Malaysia that is planting the tree. I myself know a close friend that has around two thousand tree intercropped in his oil palm estate which is growing nicely. What everyone has in mind is that "there are money to be made here" so they started to plant lots of it. What alot of people does not know is that planting the tree alone is not enough!!! In layman's term, you have to "treat" this tree in order for it to produce the valuable resin. Frankly speaking, this so called "treatment" is quite new to Malaysia and we did not have any convincing result that there is an effective treatment that we can use on the tree. At the moment, a lot of R&D department including the one that I am working in at the moment is testing the treatment out. On our side, we will at least need another 1 year to get some result. So for those that is interested to invest. You might have to take the risk that there might not be an effective treatment technique out there that you can use and the worse scenario is that you might need more than 7 years to grow the tree and you have to sell them off as timber or other wood based product.

Next is the price. You might have heard of those unbelievable expensive gaharu product somewhere before but mind you, those gaharu might be extracted from the wild (assuming no plantation can produce any at the moment). Good quality gaharu can fetch a price as high as rm60-70 per gram (rough estimation). Yes I know that it is kind of crazy but people actually pay to buy this stuff. Now back to the planting of the tree. Based on some data from Thailand which is way ahead of us in research. Gaharu produced in plantation will most likely give you grade "C" gaharu which can be sold as USD100 per kilo (around rm300, another rough estimation since i dont have my file with me now). So the real question is, Is it worth planting a tree for 7 years in hope of a return of rm300 per tree assuming the minimum resin production is 1 kilo per tree? There are actually a lot more to discuss here but I can only think about this for the time being.
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If I'm not mistaken,the researcher who introduced me to gaharu told me they have found a way to create the resin from the trees.He's working in Malaysian Institute for Nuclear Technology Research (MINT) and they claimed that they have found the method to create the resin.Furthermore,he said even MARDI or other government institutions haven't found the treatment yet.To be honest,I'm a bit skeptical about it.I'm sure you are familiar with injecting the trees to create agarwood.By the way,which company or institution are you from?Well,I guess I have to do a thorough research first before I invest in these trees.


Added on October 12, 2007, 11:45 pmAnw, Selamat Hari Raya to all Muslims.

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From what i've heard, the demand for these artificialy created resin in the middle east has drop due to the allergic & flu the arab gets after using it in their house.
And the is one company in kelantan which is giving free 'dopu' tree to be planted by land owner and from the brochure that i saw this morning during Raya gathering at my mother in law house, it is our beloved Tengku Anis who give out these free dopu tree. maybe i could scan the brochure and paste it here but this is raya day. maybe tomorrow i post it.

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there are only a few suitable place to plant this tree in malaysia one of it is in pahang near bentong one of my partner friend has already done this for the past two years.....so now is waiting for the tree to mature
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post Oct 14 2007, 03:14 AM


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QUOTE(tuo850 @ Oct 13 2007, 12:05 PM)
From what i've heard, the demand for these artificialy created resin in the middle east has drop due to the allergic & flu the arab gets after using it in their house.
And the is one company in kelantan which is giving free 'dopu' tree to be planted by land owner and from the brochure that i saw  this morning during Raya gathering at my mother in law house, it is our beloved Tengku Anis who give out these free dopu tree. maybe i could scan the brochure and paste it here but this is raya day. maybe tomorrow i post it.

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What's a dopu tree?What it's usually called in Malay?Hope you could post the pictures/brochure a.s.a.p.zzThanks.


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there are only a few suitable place to plant this tree in malaysia one of it is in pahang near bentong one of my partner friend has already done this for the past two years.....so now is waiting for the tree to mature
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So what was your friend's opinion or yours about the plant?Do you think it could make a lot of money as people perceive it could?

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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Oct 14 2007, 03:14 AM)
What's a dopu tree?What it's usually called in Malay?Hope you could post the pictures/brochure a.s.a.p.zzThanks.


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So what was your friend's opinion or yours about the plant?Do you think it could make a lot of money as people perceive it could?
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it might make alot of money when it works but have to wait and see
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post Oct 14 2007, 06:49 PM


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Bila menyebut gaharu, ramai di antara kita yang membayangkan harganya yang begitu mahal sehingga ada yang mengatakan ia lebih bernilai dari emas. Harganya boleh mencecah sehingga RM14,000 - RM20,000 sekilogram untuk kepingan gaharu yang bermutu tinggi. Namun, semua hasil ini diambil dari hutan dan kini realitinya, pokok karas diancam kepupusan.Tanpa kesedaran untuk penanaman semula, negara kita mungkin tidak lagi dapat mengeksport hasil gaharu yang begitu tinggi permintaannya ke negara-negara Timur Tengah dan juga negara lain seperti Taiwan, Jepun dan sebagainya. Mungkin kita patut menoleh ke negara jiran yang lain seperti Indonesia, Thailand dan Myamar, mereka sudah jauh meninggalkan kita dari segi teknologi dan perladangan.
Mungkin, kekurangan sumber maklumat yang tepat dan juga permulaan modal yang tinggi untuk diusahakan secara komersil menjadi faktor ia kurang diminati. Wajar, agensi - agensi kerajaan yang ada memainkan peranan dalam menyalurkan fakta yang lengkap dan perkembangan teknologi harus dicapai dalam usaha menjadikan ia sebagai industri direalisasikan.Ramai di antara kita yang tidak sedar, usaha penanaman pokok karas sudahpun dilakukan oleh beberapa agensi yang ada di beberapa tempat di negara kita, juga penyelidikan dalam penghasilan gaharu melalui kaedah suntikan dan inokulasi juga giat dijalankan.Namun, kurangnya pendedahan dan pengumpulan maklumat, ia kurang memberi impak dalam pelaksanaannya.Untuk mereka yang berminat dalam penanaman pokok karas, mungkin ada berita gembira. Mulai tahun hadapan (2007), teknologi dalam penghasilan gaharu akan dibawa masuk ke negara kita. Usaha menjemput Prof. Blanchette oleh satu agensi kerajaan adalah sangat tepat pada masanya. Namun, jika kita tidak menanamnya, teknologi tiada makna.Berbalik kepada usaha penanaman pokok karas secara ladang, beberapa faktor harus dipertimbangkan seperti pemilihan anak benih, jarak tanaman, kaedah tanaman, kaedah suntikan dan pasaran. Ia harus dinilai untuk meminimakan risiko yang ada dan mendapat hasil yang maksima selepas 7 tahun pelaburan.Pertamanya, pemilihan anak benih sering menjadi persoalan. Ada yang mengatakan spesis A lebih baik dari spesis B dan ada yang sebaliknya kerana ia lebih cepat membesar dan lebih mahal. Seharusnya kita meneliti semula beberapa kajian, pokok karas sebenarnya mempunyai method yang berbeza dengan pokok lain. Pokok yang sihat dan membesar dengan cepat menghasilkan resin gaharu yang sedikit berbanding pokok yang sakit dan diganggu. Ia sebenarnya selari dengan kejadian semulajadi gaharu di dalam hutan, pokok yang berada di kawasan berbatu dan mengalami tindakbalas kecederaan yang teruk menghasilkan gaharu yang lebih bermutu. Kita juga harus melihat kepada permintaan pasaran, spesis manakah yang menjadi pilihan pembeli dan mempunyai harga yang tinggi. Spesis Aquilaria Malaccencis adalah merupakan salah satu spesis yang mempunyai nilai komersil yang tinggi.Manakala kaedah penanaman, jarak penanaman 6"x6" atau 10"x10" menghasilkan jumlah tanaman pada 430 pokok atau 1,000 pokok seekar. Penanaman secara intergrasi adalah lebih meminimunkan risiko, malahan memberi pulangan jangka pendek yang boleh menampung kos keseluruhan. Sulaman boleh dilakukan dengan tanaman herba dan tanaman kontang. Penjarakkan yang sesuai harus dilihat. Selepas pokok karas mencapai usia 5 tahun, suntikan sejenis enzim dilakukan untuk penghasilan gaharu dan dibiarkan selama 2 tahun sebelum mendapat hasil. Perlu diingatkan, tanpa teknologi ini pokok karas tidak akan membentuk gaharu di dalamnya. Berbeza dengan semulajadi, gaharu terbentuk pada usia pokok 20 - 40 tahun melalui gangguan oleh fizikal atau microrganisme.
Banyak laporan di dada akhbar dan laman web, menyatakan setiap pokok menghasilkan gaharu bernilai sehingga RM14,000 - RM18,000. Tetapi, kita perlu menilai setiap aspek dan risiko. Mungkin tidak keterlaluan jika kita meletakkan RM1,000 sahaja untuk sepokok yang menghasilkan gaharu. Bayangkan anda menanam 1,000 pokok dan anda tentu dapat mengira angkanya. Malahan jika hanya 50% sahaja yang menjadi, jumlah pendapatannya masih tinggi! Oleh itu, amat penting untuk kita semua memperolehi sebanyak mungkin maklumat untuk merealisasikan penanaman pokok karas secara ladang. Diharapkan ada agensi yang bertindak sebagai pemantau dan dapat menyimpan data semua ladang karas di negara kita. Maklumat sebegini amat berguna untuk rujukan dimasa akan datang.



Sorry guys,I dont have the English version.Hope this is ok.

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Not worth the money and time dump into a venture that is uncertain, unpredictable, no proven success method.
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post Oct 17 2007, 05:54 AM


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How would you know it's not worth is?Read all of my post.
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Oct 15 2007, 10:15 AM)
Not worth the money and time dump into a venture that is uncertain, unpredictable, no proven success method.
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usually the uncertain,unpredictable,no proven success method type of venture which will give the highest gains example just look at the ipod..........
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usually the uncertain,unpredictable,no proven success method type of venture which will give the highest gains example just look at the ipod..........
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Thanks smile.gif

Anyone interested in this investment?Maybe one of you guys could be my business partner.If you guys thinking of starting it,we could share our knowledge or something.And I know someone who could supply the trees. (I'm not a supplier)

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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Oct 13 2007, 12:41 AM)
If I'm not mistaken,the researcher who introduced me to gaharu told me they have found a way to create the resin from the trees.He's working in Malaysian Institute for Nuclear Technology Research (MINT) and they claimed that they have found the method to create the resin.Furthermore,he said even MARDI or other government institutions haven't found the treatment yet.To be honest,I'm a bit skeptical about it.I'm sure you are familiar with injecting the trees to create agarwood.By the way,which company or institution are you from?Well,I guess I have to do a thorough research first before I invest in these trees.


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Researcher from MINT? I met a few of them before but I cant seems to be able to remember their name. tongue.gif Yup, I think the method that he mentioned to you is the one we are collaborating in. It involves drilling the tree and apply some "miracle drug" in it. tongue.gif

I am actually from the research division of the Sabah Forestry Department. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Oct 18 2007, 10:12 AM)
Researcher from MINT? I met a few of them before but I cant seems to be able to remember their name. tongue.gif Yup, I think the method that he mentioned to you is the one we are collaborating in. It involves drilling the tree and apply some "miracle drug" in it. tongue.gif

I am actually from the research division of the Sabah Forestry Department. biggrin.gif
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Amir is quite persistent, so go ahead & please get as much info in your new venture - my sincere advise 'discuss & get advise from your best friends' - the famous quote is 'success is created & a bit of luck'

Generally our researchers most of them are laid back and not intrested to dirty their hand find ways to improvise farmers/planters life rather depend on other researchers [foreigners] presenting their finding and we 'evaluate' them and post questions to challange their findings. Taking cue from Prof HAssan [Prof GAmat].

Thailand is far ahead of us - they are running, but our researchers are crawling - Sorry dude. cool.gif

Amir you could PM/email me rclxub.gif

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Looking from these pictures, I think you're goin to have tough competition from Thai growers.

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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Oct 18 2007, 10:12 AM)
Researcher from MINT? I met a few of them before but I cant seems to be able to remember their name. tongue.gif Yup, I think the method that he mentioned to you is the one we are collaborating in. It involves drilling the tree and apply some "miracle drug" in it. tongue.gif

I am actually from the research division of the Sabah Forestry Department. biggrin.gif
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I thought you're in Semenanjung smile.gif If you do come here, do PM me ok? Maybe we could have a drink and discuss on this topic.


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Amir is quite persistent, so go ahead & please get as much info in your new venture - my sincere advise 'discuss & get advise from your best friends' - the famous quote is 'success is created & a bit of luck'

Generally our researchers most of them are laid back and not intrested to dirty their hand find ways to improvise farmers/planters life rather depend on other researchers [foreigners] presenting their finding and we 'evaluate' them and post questions to challange their findings. Taking cue from Prof HAssan [Prof GAmat].

Thailand is far ahead of us - they are running, but our researchers are crawling - Sorry dude. cool.gif

Amir you could PM/email me  rclxub.gif
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Are you interested?I'll start buying and planting the trees in early 2008 because currently I don't have the capital.
I just got a job as a PTD officer and I won't be getting my salary until February.

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what kind of land is suitable for this tree? is there any bug that attack this type tree? dont want to invest in this tree then find all of it die.

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what kind of land is suitable for this tree? is there any bug that attack this type tree? dont want to invest in this tree then find all of it die.
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It's a forest tree and no need to take care of it often.

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Dopu tree is the same as Agarwood, if I'm not mistaken.

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How much does it takes to do these kinda business ... i think timber is quite a big business not sure if its profitable ... If successful the pay off should be good high risk high return ...
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How much does it takes to do these kinda business ... i think timber is quite a big business not sure if its profitable ... If successful the pay off should be good high risk high return ...
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if timber is not profitable then there shall be no timber business, no corruption in timber biz bla bla bla..

u ask small children also they know tokey balak..banyak wang...

about gaharu, it is becoz
1. it is new to us so we dunno the real potential.
2. our food/agriculture/timber technology is way behind thailand.
3. nobody who has venture in this biz willing to share..

but from here say it is very potential.
got 2 output, 1. gaharu, 2. oad oil

my bro inlaw last time produce oud oil and he can sell it to dubai customer for usd250/quater tola (quater tola is about the same size as the small perfume tester bottle).

The only problem is the supply of the dopu/gaharu tree to produce the oil (it involve distillation)

so if u can plant the trees u can produce 2 output.

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Just bought the trees (Aquilaria Malaccensis), but still small though.RM5 each. Bought only 10 trees (No money) in Damansara.


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How much does it takes to do these kinda business ... i think timber is quite a big business not sure if its profitable ... If successful the pay off should be good high risk high return ...
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Got this infrormation from Jasben Plantation:

Anggaran Kos Permulaan Penanaman (Kelantan) bagi Seekar Tanah


1)Membersih tanah- RM500.00

2)Anak Pokok 10 Bulan (RM5.00 x 430 pokok)- RM2150.00

3)Baja C.I.R.P (RM0.50 x 430 ketul)- RM215.00

4)Kos penanaman (RM1.00 x 430 pokok)- RM430.00

5)Sistem siraman (anggaran polypaip untuk seekar)- RM3500.00

6)Kayu penegak / buluh (RM0.50 x 430 batang)- RM215.00

JUMLAH- RM7,010.00


Anggaran Kos untuk 7 tahun Seekar Tanah


1)Kos penanaman awal- RM7,010.00

2)Pembajaan C.I.R.P (3 x 3 tahun x RM0.50 x 430 pokok)- RM1,935.00

3)Penjagaan / pembersihan kawasan (RM 200 x 7 tahun)- RM1,400.00

4)Kos suntikan/ inducement pada tahun ke - 5 (RM50 x 430 pokok)- RM21,500.00

5)Kos penebangan pokok dan kutipan hasi- RMl3,500.00

6)Lain-lain kos (pagar / jagaan dsbnya)- RM5000.00

JUMLAH- RM41,345.00


GAHARU - Anggaran Hasil

Anggaran hasil minimun RM 1,000.00 sepokok.

Seekar (430 pokok)

- 100% RM 430,000.00

- 80% RM 344,000.00

- 50% RM 215,000.00



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bro, may i know where did you find those infos on the starting cost ?
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bro, may i know where did you find those infos on the starting cost ?
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From this website http://www.jasbenplantation.cjb.net/ or try this one http://www.jasbenplantation.com smile.gif
There's a lot of information on gaharu in these websites. Unfortunately the website is in Malay and English version is not available.

Pricing on Agarwood

Jadual Gred di Pasaran

Buat masa ini tiada gred yang seragam dan selalunya berbeza mengikut negeri. Berikut adalah gred yang dikeluarkan oleh JPSM dalam Bengkel Penyeragaman Penggredan Gaharu di Semenanjung Malaysia pada awal bulan Jun 2007 yang lalu di Kuala Lipis Pahang.

Harga (perkilogram)/ Price (perkilogram)

Gred Super A-RM 25,000 ke atas

Gred A-RM 20,000

Gred B-RM 18,000

Gred C-RM 15,000

Gred D-RM 8,000

Gred E-RM 3,000

Lain-lain Gred-RM 500 - RM 1,000

Gred Kayu untuk Minyak-RM 5 - RM 100

Minyak Gaharu-RM 300 - RM 350/ tola (12gm)


Wow waa wee waa.......(Borat) shocking.gif sweat.gif

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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Oct 14 2007, 04:14 AM)
What's a dopu tree?What it's usually called in Malay?Hope you could post the pictures/brochure a.s.a.p.zzThanks.


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So what was your friend's opinion or yours about the plant?Do you think it could make a lot of money as people perceive it could?
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Hello amir, saya suka dikenali sebagai wangmali............teruskan niat saudara tu untuk menanam pokok gaharu...dan saya pun baru je selesai tanam seluas 4 ekar........sekarang ade lagi tanah kosong 5 ekar dan 30 ekar. yang 5 ekar ni sya nak buka kepada pelabur yang berminat.........semuanye saya uruskan.....portion pelabur 70% k sikitami tuan tanah 30%.........

Lokasi tanaman : Daerah Kluang, Johor.

Satu lagi projek ialah 30 ekar.....saya nak buat sistem ladang...............semua pokok gaharu saya guna benih vietnam....projek 30 ekar ni saya share ngan syarikat GLC 50/50

Kalau En. Amir dan kawan2 masih ingin melabur lagi...........boleh la contact saya ........012 7997821

Hasilnya lumayan.......apa salahnye kita kongsi.......harapan saya ialah nak buktikan yang tanaman ni menguntungkan.

En. Amir tak yah dengar cakap2 negatif diaorg tu......diaorang asyik buat research je tapi belum tanam lagi....dan belum tahu teknologi terkini.....yang boleh menghasilkan resin yang berkualiti..........

Kalau di thailand...........lagi pelik............lepas 4 tahun dah ambik hasil.......suntikan vaksin memang terbukti....
Syarikat thailand ni dah lama business......bukak la web www.agarharvest.com .....

sekarang ni jabatan hutan kita pun ade hantar org kat vietnam utk study lagi.

So.....saya harap en.amir teruskan usaha tersebut dan kalau ade info2 yang baik email je kat saya azam_gx@yahoo.com .

saya pun baru je lagi

satu lagi ....en. amir ade tak proposal dan costing yang lengkap.....klu boleh bagi saya.....sebab nak wat presentation la kat.....funder................

kalau boleh kita jumpa.....lagi bagus dapat gak belajar lagi

ok........selamat maju jaya.


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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Oct 24 2007, 07:24 AM)
Just bought the trees (Aquilaria Malaccensis), but still small though.RM5 each. Bought only 10 trees (No money) in Damansara.


Added on October 24, 2007, 6:42 am

Got this infrormation from Jasben Plantation:

Anggaran Kos Permulaan Penanaman (Kelantan) bagi Seekar Tanah


1)Membersih tanah- RM500.00

2)Anak Pokok 10 Bulan (RM5.00 x 430 pokok)- RM2150.00

3)Baja C.I.R.P (RM0.50 x 430 ketul)- RM215.00

4)Kos penanaman (RM1.00 x 430 pokok)- RM430.00

5)Sistem siraman (anggaran polypaip untuk seekar)- RM3500.00

6)Kayu penegak / buluh (RM0.50 x 430 batang)- RM215.00

JUMLAH- RM7,010.00


Anggaran Kos untuk 7 tahun Seekar Tanah


1)Kos penanaman awal- RM7,010.00

2)Pembajaan C.I.R.P (3 x 3 tahun x RM0.50 x 430 pokok)- RM1,935.00

3)Penjagaan / pembersihan kawasan (RM 200 x 7 tahun)- RM1,400.00

4)Kos suntikan/ inducement pada tahun ke - 5 (RM50 x 430 pokok)- RM21,500.00

5)Kos penebangan pokok dan kutipan hasi- RMl3,500.00

6)Lain-lain kos (pagar / jagaan dsbnya)- RM5000.00
 
JUMLAH- RM41,345.00


GAHARU - Anggaran Hasil

Anggaran hasil minimun RM 1,000.00 sepokok.
   
Seekar (430 pokok)
   
      - 100%      RM 430,000.00
   
      - 80%        RM 344,000.00
   
      - 50%        RM 215,000.00
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Satu lagi en. amir.............boleh u bagi contact supllier untuk benih vietnam,baja CRIP dan Vaksin untuk suntikkan tu......saya tengok awknye murah la.................saya guna org tengah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,klu leh direct kan ke jimat kos......
nanti jumpa kita minum kopi la.........kautim,,,,,,,,,,,hehehehehe

Satu lagi contact no. en. amir

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wangmali respek bro., saya masih tunggu approval tanah di perak ni, boleh message saya no bro tak?

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Hello amir, saya suka dikenali sebagai wangmali............teruskan niat saudara tu untuk menanam pokok gaharu...dan saya pun baru je selesai tanam seluas 4 ekar........sekarang ade lagi tanah kosong 5 ekar dan 30 ekar. yang 5 ekar ni sya nak buka kepada pelabur yang berminat.........semuanye saya uruskan.....portion pelabur 70% k sikitami tuan tanah 30%.........

Lokasi tanaman : Daerah Kluang, Johor.

Satu lagi projek ialah 30 ekar.....saya nak buat sistem ladang...............semua pokok gaharu saya guna benih vietnam....projek 30 ekar ni saya share ngan syarikat GLC 50/50

Kalau En. Amir dan kawan2 masih ingin melabur lagi...........boleh la contact saya ........012 7997821

Hasilnya lumayan.......apa salahnye kita kongsi.......harapan saya ialah nak buktikan yang tanaman ni menguntungkan.

En. Amir tak yah dengar cakap2 negatif diaorg tu......diaorang asyik buat research je tapi belum tanam lagi....dan belum tahu teknologi terkini.....yang boleh menghasilkan resin yang berkualiti..........

Kalau di thailand...........lagi pelik............lepas 4 tahun dah ambik hasil.......suntikan vaksin memang terbukti....
Syarikat thailand ni dah lama business......bukak la web www.agarharvest.com .....

sekarang ni jabatan hutan kita pun ade hantar org kat vietnam utk study lagi.

So.....saya harap en.amir teruskan usaha tersebut dan kalau ade info2 yang baik email je kat saya azam_gx@yahoo.com .

saya pun baru je lagi

satu lagi ....en. amir ade tak proposal dan costing yang lengkap.....klu boleh bagi saya.....sebab nak wat presentation la kat.....funder................

kalau boleh kita jumpa.....lagi bagus dapat gak belajar lagi

ok........selamat maju jaya.


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Satu lagi en. amir.............boleh u bagi contact supllier untuk benih vietnam,baja CRIP dan Vaksin untuk suntikkan tu......saya tengok awknye murah la.................saya guna org tengah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,klu leh direct kan ke jimat kos......
nanti jumpa kita minum kopi la.........kautim,,,,,,,,,,,hehehehehe

Satu lagi contact no. en. amir
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A'kum Encik Wang Mali.Saya dah lama tak check thread ni,tak sangka ada lagi.Banyak jugak pokok yang encik nak tanam.4 ekar tambah lagi 30 ekar akan datang.Saya buat masa sekarang tak start tanam lagi.Cuma beli anak pokok dan biar kat rumah.Baru ada 20 pokok dan akan tambah lagi lepas dapat gaji pertama.Pasal nak tanam kat tanah tu tak tahu bila sebab tanah masih semak,belum clear.Jadi kena upah orang bersihkan dulu dan tanah saya ada dalam 7 ekar tapi plan nak tanam dalam 4 ekar.Pasal nak tanam besar-besaran ni,nanti dulu rasanya tapi saya ada terfikir untuk meminjam tanah dari kerajaan atau menyewa dari orang lain.Tapi kalau nak tanam 30 ekar tu saya tak pasti lagi dan masih ada risikonya.Pasal baja,anak pokok dan lain2 tu,encik boleh check Jasben Plantation.Saya beli anak pokok kat sana.Baja dia 30sen seketul tapi suntikan tu saya tak tahu lagi.Harap boleh jumpa encik dan berbincang pasal gaharu.


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wangmali respek bro., saya masih tunggu approval tanah di perak ni, boleh message saya no bro tak?

tkasih
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Boleh tahu macam mana u apply nak dapat tanah?Dari jabatan mana nak apply?

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amirbashah..

can we meet up...I m interested to know and get information from you about this project..

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wangmali respek bro., saya masih tunggu approval tanah di perak ni, boleh message saya no bro tak?

tkasih
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ontact no. saya 012-7997821 , tanah u kenapa,......u tukar syarat ke?..........saya tak...............buat je kat tanah kebun..tu...klu nak tunggu2 aprrove...........lambat la beb....

Saya pun tengah cari investor yang berminat utk tanah seluas 30 ekar.buat tanam gaharu...........sekarang ni semua sourcing i dah dapat...pasaran akan datang pun dah ade...........klu ade yang minat boleh la,

amir pun minat tu..........nanti nak jumpa dia.
k.....ade masa col la ..


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A'kum Encik Wang Mali.Saya dah lama tak check thread ni,tak sangka ada lagi.Banyak jugak pokok yang encik nak tanam.4 ekar tambah lagi 30 ekar akan datang.Saya buat masa sekarang tak start tanam lagi.Cuma beli anak pokok dan biar kat rumah.Baru ada 20 pokok dan akan tambah lagi lepas dapat gaji pertama.Pasal nak tanam kat tanah tu tak tahu bila sebab tanah masih semak,belum clear.Jadi kena upah orang bersihkan dulu dan tanah saya ada dalam 7 ekar tapi plan nak tanam dalam 4 ekar.Pasal nak tanam besar-besaran ni,nanti dulu rasanya tapi saya ada terfikir untuk meminjam tanah dari kerajaan atau menyewa dari orang lain.Tapi kalau nak tanam 30 ekar tu saya tak pasti lagi dan masih ada risikonya.Pasal baja,anak pokok dan lain2 tu,encik boleh check Jasben Plantation.Saya beli anak pokok kat sana.Baja dia 30sen seketul tapi suntikan tu saya tak tahu lagi.Harap boleh jumpa encik dan berbincang pasal gaharu.


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Boleh tahu macam mana u apply nak dapat tanah?Dari jabatan mana nak apply?
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Nanti la en. Amir kita jumpa.....klu saya naik KL boleh la....sys col u..........pasal tanah tu tak yah....pening ....saya banyak lubang di johor ni..........u cari funder je...........buatla aggreement camne dia orang nak....saya nak buktikan yang industri gaharu ni memang real dan genuine............member kita kat pahang dan kelantan tu lagi la dah lama kaya raya dah...........nasib baik kita ni sekarang ade cara teknologi baru....pakai suntikan.......

saya pakai benih vietnam........benih umur setahun.......lepas tanam 5 tahun dah bleh jadi kaya.

tanah no hal...............funder yang berminat je...nak...cari........i bleh present.....u pun leh present gak.....nanti kita jumpa...k...bye


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ontact no. saya 012-7997821 , tanah u kenapa,......u tukar syarat ke?..........saya tak...............buat je kat tanah kebun..tu...klu nak tunggu2 aprrove...........lambat la beb....

Saya pun tengah cari investor yang berminat utk tanah seluas 30 ekar.buat tanam gaharu...........sekarang ni semua sourcing i dah dapat...pasaran akan datang pun dah ade...........klu ade yang minat boleh la,

amir pun minat tu..........nanti nak jumpa dia.
k.....ade masa col la ..


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Nanti la en. Amir kita jumpa.....klu saya naik KL boleh la....sys col u..........pasal tanah tu tak yah....pening ....saya banyak lubang di johor ni..........u cari funder je...........buatla aggreement camne dia orang nak....saya nak buktikan yang industri gaharu ni memang real dan genuine............member kita kat pahang dan kelantan tu lagi la dah lama kaya raya dah...........nasib baik kita ni sekarang ade cara teknologi baru....pakai suntikan.......

saya pakai benih vietnam........benih umur setahun.......lepas tanam 5 tahun dah bleh jadi kaya.

tanah no hal...............funder yang berminat je...nak...cari........i bleh present.....u pun leh present gak.....nanti kita jumpa...k...bye
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wangmali,

sy berminat ut berjumpa dgn tuan dan tahu lebih lanjut pasal industri ni..

kalo kat kelantan..di mana boleh sy dptkan anak pokok gaharu nih?

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amirbashah..

can we meet up...I m interested to know and get information from you about this project..

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We could definitely meet up if you want to know more. I'm willing to share my knowledge to anyone who's interested.
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all need info of young agarwood tree pls call or sms me at 012-2592142.


dan sesiapa yang berminat untuk menbeli anak pokok call or sms saya jugak.

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i'm interested to be potential partner with anyone of you. kindly let me know your current status, finance, budget, and how much expected.

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ok you can provide land for rent if you want to be partner then we will talk.
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what kind of land? just normal suburban or.. foresty area?
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hi there amirbashah, if u r organizing a gathering for those who r interested in this project, let me know anytime...just PM me or contact me @ 012-9211883...i believe if we pool all our resources here, we can definitely work on something...looking forward to ur reply... smile.gif
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yeah..would be great if we can meet up have a coffee and discuss about this project..

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QUOTE(kwaytiau @ Jan 13 2008, 03:28 AM)
yeah..would be great if we can meet up have a coffee and discuss about this project..

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bila nak nak buat perjumpaan nih tak sabar nak share apa yang ada
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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Oct 11 2007, 06:28 AM)
Do you guys have any information on Agarwood/Gaharu?I heard it's a good investment.It is a tree or wood used for making perfume.The demand for the commodity is quite high and selling around RM10k-RM20k per kilogram.The oil from the trees are more expensive which could sell around RM20k-RM40k per kilogram.You could buy the trees for RM5-RM100 depending on the size and could plant around 450-600 trees on 1 acre of land.The oil/wood from the trees can be harvested after 7 years.If I'm not mistaken,the trees from an acre of land can generate you a profit of RM500k-RM1 million.If you guys are expert or have a lot of information on this subject please let me know.And feel free to discuss.
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I know where to find / buy seeds of gahary trees. u can just call me at 062021774032 or send me emails to oazfari@yahoo.com .
I'm from sumatra, and that particular tree you are searching is now very rare and only exist in the jungles of indonesia. Well, that doesnt mesn that I cant make lots of those trees.


Added on January 14, 2008, 6:08 pmLook, if anybody wanna find some small gaharu trees, just let me know or email me at oazfari@yahoo.com

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oOo...

why dont we gather all the resources.. and set up a small scale industry for this..?


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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 12 2008, 12:17 PM)
what kind of land? just normal suburban or.. foresty area?
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wenjie 86 i want land suburban can u get for me .... than we discuss about share patner because now i have 5000 seed gaharu baby trees to be plant.

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It is good to see that this thread is still alive and kicking!!! I will try to support everyone on the research side. As off now, there will be an assessment of the gaharu induced tree on March 2008. I will try to keep everyone updated on this. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Jan 15 2008, 10:02 AM)
It is good to see that this thread is still alive and kicking!!! I will try to support everyone on the research side. As off now, there will be an assessment of the gaharu induced tree on March 2008. I will try to keep everyone updated on this. biggrin.gif
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Hi eehsitna, I haven't check this thread for quite some time. Do you have any new information which you could share with us? You're in Sabah/Sarawak right now right? I was thinking of organizing a gathering in the future. Maybe you could join us?


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hi there amirbashah, if u r organizing a gathering for those who r interested in this project, let me know anytime...just PM me or contact me @ 012-9211883...i believe if we pool all our resources here, we can definitely work on something...looking forward to ur reply... smile.gif
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Does anyone want to meet up? We could organize a meeting and discuss about agarwood. I'm really glad a lot of people are more interested in agarwood now. By the way, I just bought 100 more trees last month but haven't plant it at my land sad.gif

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wenjie 86 i want land suburban can u get for me .... than we discuss about share patner because now i have 5000 seed gaharu baby trees to be plant.
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well, i can find the land for you, it's cheap to rent those land... in johor got a lot.. and my father always got connection with those who want to sell land and rent the land.

5000 seed gaharu baby?

is seed or baby tree?

if baby tree... i suggest, plant the baby tree in the plastic bag, wait until few months only, change into a piece of land, then after that only transfer to the land wanna it to grow..

my dad use to be working in nursery .. he got knowledge about plantation.

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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 15 2008, 11:40 AM)
well, i can find the land for you, it's cheap to rent those land... in johor got a lot.. and my father always got connection with those who want to sell land and rent the land.

5000 seed gaharu baby?

is seed or baby tree?

if baby tree... i suggest, plant the baby tree in the plastic bag, wait until few months only, change into a piece of land, then after that only transfer to the land wanna it to grow..

my dad use to be working in nursery .. he got knowledge about plantation.
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I'm also looking for land to plant my trees. Currently I own 7 acres of land in Sungai Merab (Near Putrajaya) but I'm looking for more. Johor is quite far from my place so it's quite difficult for me to go there and monitor the tress. Does anyone know where I could find any land in Selangor? I agree with wenjie on planting the tress in plastic bag. I did the same thing. I bought the trees and replaced it in a bigger poly bag. After a few months, I will plant it on my land which I have to clear first brows.gif
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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Jan 15 2008, 12:28 PM)
Hi eehsitna, I haven't check this thread for quite some time. Do you have any new information which you could share with us? You're in Sabah/Sarawak right now right? I was thinking of organizing a gathering in the future. Maybe you could join us?


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Does anyone want to meet up? We could organize a meeting and discuss about agarwood. I'm really glad a lot of people are more interested in agarwood now. By the way, I just bought 100 more trees last month but haven't plant it at my land  sad.gif
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Yes I am in Sabah. Going to attend a meeting in FRIM end of February so we might be able to meet up then?

Ps: Do not buy the seedling and left it unattended for too long. It will stun the growth of the tree.
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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Jan 15 2008, 11:54 AM)
Yes I am in Sabah. Going to attend a meeting in FRIM end of February so we might be able to meet up then?

Ps: Do not buy the seedling and left it unattended for too long. It will stun the growth of the tree.
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I'll give you my contact number so you could call me when you're here- 0123766234. Do give me your phone number as well. What do you mean by unattended? Do I have to quickly plant it on my land? Currently I replaced the seedlings in a bigger poly bag.

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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Jan 15 2008, 12:49 PM)
I'm also looking for land to plant my trees. Currently I own 7 acres of land in Sungai Merab (Near Putrajaya) but I'm looking for more. Johor is quite far from my place so it's quite difficult for me to go there and monitor the tress. Does anyone know where I could find any land in Selangor? I agree with wenjie on planting the tress in plastic bag. I did the same thing. I bought the trees and replaced it in a bigger poly bag. After a few months, I will plant it on my land which I have to clear first  brows.gif
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those land in muar.. johor tongue.gif cheap ^^

it's easy to get to muar, about 2 hours from KL biggrin.gif

well, try find rural land, it's better... a lot of malay in rural got land but didn't use it.. if can get them to rent their land is the best, in the same time ask them take care tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 15 2008, 12:34 PM)
those land in muar.. johor tongue.gif cheap ^^

it's easy to get to muar, about 2 hours from KL biggrin.gif

well, try find rural land, it's better... a lot of malay in rural got land but didn't use it.. if can get them to rent their land is the best, in the same time ask them take care tongue.gif
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It's cheap but do they really want to rent it for 7-10 years? That's the question you have to ask.

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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Jan 15 2008, 01:43 PM)
It's cheap but do they really want to rent it for 7-10 years? That's the question you have to ask.
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yeap.. i think so smile.gif
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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 15 2008, 11:40 AM)
well, i can find the land for you, it's cheap to rent those land... in johor got a lot.. and my father always got connection with those who want to sell land and rent the land.

5000 seed gaharu baby?

is seed or baby tree?

if baby tree... i suggest, plant the baby tree in the plastic bag, wait until few months only, change into a piece of land, then after that only transfer to the land wanna it to grow..

my dad use to be working in nursery .. he got knowledge about plantation.
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it is baby tree i already plant it at polybag, this gaharu need space 6 feet from each other when u plant it to land, then can u find land at selangor and can be rent for 7 years
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anywhere i can get aquilaria subintegra in (KK)sabah?

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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Feb 12 2008, 11:40 AM)
anywhere i can get aquilaria subintegra in (KK)sabah?
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1st of all this tree don't have seed that why we need baby tree .... if u want i can supply this subintegra
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QUOTE(joe_hunt @ Feb 13 2008, 09:52 AM)
1st of all this tree don't have seed that why we need baby tree .... if u want i can supply this subintegra
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how much is it?

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Funder or Loaner Wanted;

more info is here
http://carigold.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=29710


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QUOTE(joe_hunt @ Feb 13 2008, 10:52 AM)
1st of all this tree don't have seed that why we need baby tree .... if u want i can supply this subintegra
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Correction. The species does produce seeds but the seed is recalcitrant (low shelf life). That is why it is difficult to buy those seeds. Furthermore, if I am not mistaken, Aquilaria subintegra is an exotic species so you will not be able to find it in the forest.

Ps: By the way, I am going over to KL for a meeting on the 26th to 29th February. Anyone interested to meet up for a chat? biggrin.gif I will be staying in the Setapak area.


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Do I have to quickly plant it on my land? Currently I replaced the seedlings in a bigger poly bag.
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I thought I answer this before but I might as well repeat myself. tongue.gif

Try not to keep it in the polybag for too long. The best time to plant it is when the seedling is around 6 month old and around 2 feet tall. I kept some seedlings for around more than a year in the polybag and the root was growing out of the polybag. In my observation, those overgrown seedlings show signs of stunted growth.

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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Feb 21 2008, 09:06 AM)
Correction. The species does produce seeds but the seed is recalcitrant (low shelf life). That is why it is difficult to buy those seeds. Furthermore, if I am not mistaken, Aquilaria subintegra is an exotic species so you will not be able to find it in the forest.

Ps: By the way, I am going over to KL for a meeting on the 26th to 29th February. Anyone interested to meet up for a chat? biggrin.gif I will be staying in the Setapak area.
PM me your number-- maybe we can have a coffee chat.. thumbup.gif



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PM me your number-- maybe we can have a coffee chat..  thumbup.gif
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pls contact me 0122438420 for coffee chat.

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anyone know where i can buy the agarwood seed/baby tree?
and does anyone know roughly how much the cost per tree or seed?


Added on March 23, 2008, 4:47 pmanyone know?

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Hi eehtsitna,
any news and whats the results of the test done by Sabah Forest Dept on the inoculation by Professor Robert Blanchette?
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TS, I have a 12 acre land in perak.....plain area, can plant it?
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QUOTE(am_eniey @ Apr 2 2008, 11:31 AM)
TS, I have a 12 acre land in perak.....plain area, can plant it?
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yes sure you can plant it.

start NOW!!

and also build contact with all 'agarwood farmer'(penanam gaharu/karas)

thanks
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QUOTE(kwaytiau @ Apr 2 2008, 11:33 AM)
yes sure you can plant it.

start NOW!!

and also build contact with all 'agarwood farmer'(penanam gaharu/karas)

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but the thing is I'm living in KL and even if I plant the trees, who's going to manage them? I'm sick of being cheated
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but the thing is I'm living in KL and even if I plant the trees, who's going to manage them? I'm sick of being cheated
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No need to take care of the trees.Just plant the trees and leave them for a few years. You only need to put fertilizer twice a year. But make sure the area is fenced so people won't steal them. I usually buy the trees for RM5 per tree. Quite cheap if compared to other sellers.
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sounds interesting... this tree suitable on wat type of soil?
might consider to join since my friend got abandoned land about 10acres at mlk.
how much is the estimated initial investment amount?

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sounds interesting... this tree suitable on wat type of soil?
might consider to join since my friend got abandoned land about 10acres at mlk.
how much is the estimated initial investment amount?
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Check my previous post.
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No need to take care of the trees.Just plant the trees and leave them for a few years. You only need to put fertilizer twice a year. But make sure the area is fenced so people won't steal them. I usually buy the trees for RM5 per tree. Quite cheap if compared to other sellers.
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now still can get RM5 for tree ? because lot of sellers sell at more than that price

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TS, I have a 12 acre land in perak.....plain area, can plant it?
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mind telling me which part in perak?


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Hey guys! I would like to propose a joint venture project to anyone who is interested and has already planted their karas/agarwood tree. My friend and I are currently searching for the best inoculation technique in the international market. Once we have identify the best technique, we will bring it into Malaysia.

In a nutshell, what we will propose is that you will be incharge of planting those karas/agarwood tree and later on my friend and I will come in to inoculate those tree for you. Later after that, we will split the profit among ourself based on our agreement. If you are interested with it, please pm me your detail such as:

Your full name:
Contact number:
Number of karas tree you have:
Age of the tree:
The location of your plantation:

Remember, this is not the final proposal. We still have to work out all the detail. If you are really interested, we might have to find a day and discuss this face to face.

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Early sign of gaharu resin formation. 1 year after inoculation.

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mind telling me which part in perak?
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Kampung Gajah.......between ipoh and teluk intan
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Hey guys! I would like to propose a joint venture project to anyone who is interested and has already planted their karas/agarwood tree. My friend and I are currently searching for the best inoculation technique in the international market. Once we have identify the best technique, we will bring it into Malaysia.

In a nutshell, what we will propose is that you will be incharge of planting those karas/agarwood tree and later on my friend and I will come in to inoculate those tree for you. Later after that, we will split the profit among ourself based on our agreement. If you are interested with it, please pm me your detail such as:

Your full name:
Contact number:
Number of karas tree you have:
Age of the tree:
The location of your plantation:

Remember, this is not the final proposal. We still have to work out all the detail. If you are really interested, we might have to find a day and discuss this face to face.

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I didn't know there are different inoculation techniques and the result will differs. Seems interesting. Please keep us updated smile.gif

Just now, I met with one of the managar at Malaysian Herbal Corporation and he said Mardi has found a serum that can produce karas much faster than inoculaton technique in the market. It takes only a few months rather than 2 years.

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I didn't know there are different inoculation techniques and the result will differs. Seems interesting. Please keep us updated  smile.gif

Just now, I met with one of the managar at Malaysian Herbal Corporation and he said Mardi has found a serum that can produce karas much faster than inoculaton technique in the market. It takes only a few months rather than 2 years.
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Inoculation is process to shorted mature period for agarwood/gaharu. This technique coming from thailand and between inducement person who inject agarwood tree have own reason. Some of them make spiral inoculant by 4 in distance beetween every inducement. Without inoculation gaharu resin need 20-100 year will produce. Most agarwood tree will do inoculation at year 5 and the will cut the tree at year 6 and can sell RM1000 for every one. If you wand to sell wood RM20/kilogram and to produce perfume RM800 pertola and mostly faound 8-10 tola(12gram) for more info please visit www.dapat.net/agrotechsupplyandservices
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QUOTE(ilhamcipta @ Apr 18 2008, 12:41 PM)
Inoculation is process to shorted mature period for agarwood/gaharu. This technique coming from thailand and between inducement person who inject agarwood tree have own reason. Some of them make spiral inoculant by  4 in distance beetween every inducement. Without inoculation gaharu resin need 20-100 year will produce. Most agarwood tree will do inoculation at year 5 and the will cut the tree at year 6 and can sell RM1000 for every one. If you wand to sell wood RM20/kilogram and to produce perfume RM800 pertola and mostly faound 8-10 tola(12gram) for more info please visit www.dapat.net/agrotechsupplyandservices
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thats good.

thanks for link.


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QUOTE(kwaytiau @ Apr 18 2008, 01:06 PM)
thats good.

thanks for link.
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I involed in agarwood 1.5 year,before that we hear thar agarwood can growth at asia rainforest. My nieghbour was involved to agarwood plantation have 2 milion child of agarwood in Laos. With him i get more info abaout agarwood. And now he was build agarwood factory in Thailand that have 136 steam equipment to produce accence/resin od perfume oil, and who have 1000 agarwood tree confirm millionare . My costing if you sell a wood tree after inoculation yo found RM855,000 and RM6.2 Million if you produce perfume oil. For time being i just sell child of agarwood with minumum order (10 pcs) arround puchong and gombak with consultation how to plant gaharu/agarwood. Makesure that you know type of spesis . In malaysia famous with sub integra-oil RM >RM50K/Kg,Crassna -oil > RM30K per/kg and malacencess-oil > RM10K/kg. Only Sub integra and crassna coming from out site (kemboja/thai) 6-7 year can sell,malacencces is local specis and longer to produce oil 7-8 year
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My friend already started 2 year ago 33 acres with sub integra from Thailand, Im plainning for 17 acre, im just wondering if I can do cloning with his trees via cuttings. Any comments or ideas?
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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Apr 20 2008, 03:40 PM)
My friend already started 2 year ago 33 acres with sub integra from Thailand, Im plainning for 17 acre, im just wondering if I can do cloning with his trees via cuttings. Any comments or ideas?
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where is your friend and you are located?

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Just planted a tree at my land. Finally. But just one tree, my land is like a forest. Still 'semak'. Anyone could give me contacts of people who can clear my land?

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Yup there are a variety of inoculation techniques out there and as usual, everyone claims that their technique is the best without any results to back them up. My advice to everyone is to make sure that you have some rough idea what those techniques are and how they work before you purchase any. Alot of people takes this opportunity to sell fake inoculation techniques just to make some quick bucks. tongue.gif

Another thing that everyone needs to remember is that do not overestimate your profit margin. Make sure that your margin is "logical" so you will not screw up with your financial management.

Regarding vegetative propogation (cutting), it can be done but if i am not mistaken, the mortality rate is high among seedlings propogated this way. Another important point is that, seedlings propogated through this technique usually does not have a nice tree stand. Meaning that they are usually not straight and they tend to have a lot of branches.

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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Apr 21 2008, 09:23 AM)
Yup there are a variety of inoculation techniques out there and as usual, everyone claims that their technique is the best without any results to back them up. My advice to everyone is to make sure that you have some rough idea what those techniques are and how they work before you purchase any. Alot of people takes this opportunity to sell fake inoculation techniques just to make some quick bucks. tongue.gif

Another thing that everyone needs to remember is that do not overestimate your profit margin. Make sure that your margin is "logical" so you will not screw up with your financial management.

Regarding vegetative propogation (cutting), it can be done but if i am not mistaken, the mortality rate is high among seedlings propogated this way. Another important point is that, seedlings propogated through this technique usually does not have a nice tree stand. Meaning that they are usually not straight and they tend to have a lot of branches.
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Hei eehtsitna, when can we meet up? You didn't call me the last time you're in KL sad.gif
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Hei eehtsitna, when can we meet up? You didn't call me the last time you're in KL  sad.gif
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My recent trip in KL was short so i wasnt able to meet with anyone. Sorry about that. tongue.gif I am planning to go to KL again around June so perhaps we can now make some planning to meet up? We can all sit down and chat over a cup of coffee. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Apr 21 2008, 12:00 PM)
My recent trip in KL was short so i wasnt able to meet with anyone. Sorry about that. tongue.gif I am planning to go to KL again around June so perhaps we can now make some planning to meet up? We can all sit down and chat over a cup of coffee. biggrin.gif
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Good, I'll give you my number again in case you've lost it.0123766234. If you do come here, I'll try to set up a meeting somewhere in KL. Maybe you could bring some material to share with us.
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hi, everyone

i m interested to see and hear about agarwood. I'd like to join in discussion if theres any gathering.
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QUOTE(Vv.SoViEt.vV @ Apr 21 2008, 12:06 PM)
hi, everyone

i m interested to see and hear about agarwood. I'd like to join in discussion if theres any gathering.
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Sure, you can join us smile.gif I think we should set up a club. Gaharu Club. Hehe.

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amir I see you planted one tree haha, good time for beginner like me to followup. Looking forward to hear from you guys.
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amir I see you planted one tree haha, good time for beginner like me to followup. Looking forward to hear from you guys.
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I'm not actually a beginner nor an expert. I've been doing research on gaharu almost a year now and I have 100 trees at my house. The reason I only planted one tree at my land because my showel broke yesterday. I was planning to plant 5 trees first and owing to the complication, I've to postpone. And besides my land is still full of old tress, bushes etc. It looks like a forest and that's why I couldn't plant the trees yet. I bought the trees first just to conduct a pilot test and unfortunately for me a lot of the trees died.

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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Apr 21 2008, 12:32 PM)
I'm not actually a beginner nor an expert. I've been doing research on gaharu almost a year now and I have 100 trees at my house. The reason I only planted one tree at my land because my showel broke yesterday.  I was planning to plant 5 trees first and owing to the complication, I've to postpone. And besides my land is still full of old tress, bushes etc. It looks like a forest and that's why I couldn't plant the trees yet. I bought the trees first just to conduct a pilot test and unfortunately for me a lot of the trees died.
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Why your trees died? Oh, I dont doubt on anyone knowledge on agarwood, especially I m beginner myself. I just got interested on agarwood plantations by reading this thread.
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good to hear that..

hopefully we can discuss where to sell this tree or oil..

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After carefully reading them, you need RM40k minimum to plant gaharu at 1 acre land for 7 years. The duration is long and the fund required is big for starter like me to venture into gaharu.
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and in seven years any othe business would have generated taht much revenue. plus not that risky. 7 years is a very long period of time and alot of stuff can happen in 7 years
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at 5th year, you can always sell the trees without inoculation to interested partie$$ oversea$, you dont have to sell the land just the trees and its up to them to innoculate the trees for another 2 years, because its theirs.., you transfer the risk.. they transfer ca$h..
or you can set up a Bhd or Sdn Bhd owning the land planted with agarwood, on the 5th year get a loan from Agro Bank(Bank Pertanian) and inoculate with goverment(rakyat) money... 1 year breathing period just pay service charge use the balance of money to pay 1 year payment... risk bare by your company.. 2years later harvest and pay bank..
need to test on cloning method.. if it works.. I just need 1 cutting from 1 of my friends tree out of the 33 acres .. walla.. super cheap agarwood for 17 acre..
I dont have time for other business.. plus this is passive business untill harvested.. this wont be the only egg in the basket.. just 1 of the basket with eggs..


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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Apr 21 2008, 09:23 AM)
Regarding vegetative propogation (cutting), it can be done but if i am not mistaken, the mortality rate is high among seedlings propogated this way. Another important point is that, seedlings propogated through this technique usually does not have a nice tree stand. Meaning that they are usually not straight and they tend to have a lot of branches.
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Hi eehtsitna,
I will be in KK end of May "Pesta Menuai", are you in KK or Sandakan? The "cutting" I have in mind will be combine with another borrowed technology to increase its root growth and tree growth within few weeks, this will be an interesting experiment. About the lots of branches... isnt that a good thing? 1 tree = 3 or 4 tree (like in the picture below).. also with this 1 tree I can combine other type of agarwood in 1 tree, which means type A tree with 3 branch cut 1 branch replace with type B branch.. just an idea..

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where is your friend and you are located?
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I've seen alot in 10 years (1998 economic down turn), after 10 years.. I still see my friends working 9 to 5 for a living, after 10 years.. I still see alot of land uncultivated & only cultivated with "hutan", after 10 years.. only a few friends has a liquid$ networth >RM500,000 while the majority of my friends still have a 9 to 5 job, not to mention also hutangs.. "house loan, car loan, education loan, etc.." after 7 years do you think I will see this again.. most likely yes", we need to break free! wake up! do something... anything.. cause we only have 1 lifetime to live thru, why not... never "should not".


http://www.enfleurage.com/aa-agarwood.html <--- nice

http://forestpathology.cfans.umn.edu/agarwoodmeeting.htm <--- having doubts?

http://www.leapspiral.org/projects/ <--- SFD"Sabah Forest Dept" are you charging the UMN technology??

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"If I tell you, I have to kill you" just joking tongue.gif .. i cant tell you bro.. not without his consent.. I doubt he will..
http://www.enfleurage.com/aa-agarwood.html <--- nice

Hi Sham903n,

Not a problem if you dont want to tell your location.At least good to know you with new idea and a group of people with same interest.

Hopefully our dream will come tru in Saudagara Agarwood.....smile.gif

Thanks for the link...



p/s:I have land for sale around 30 Acre..suitable for Agarwood.Interested just contact me.
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The trees in the picture look thin. I think the trees are too close together, that's why they're like that.


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Hi Sham903n,

Not a problem if you dont want to tell your location.At least good to know you with new idea and a group of people with same interest.

Hopefully our dream will come tru in Saudagara Agarwood.....smile.gif

Thanks for the link...
p/s:I have land for sale around 30 Acre..suitable for Agarwood.Interested just contact me.
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How much do you want to sell and where is it located?

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The trees in the picture look thin. I think the trees are too close together, that's why they're like that.


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How much do you want to sell and where is it located?
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Actually not my land.Just helping my friend to sell it.

It is located in Gua Musang Kelantan.
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[quote=Sham903n,Apr 22 2008, 02:26 AM]
at 5th year, you can always sell the trees without inoculation to interested partie$$ oversea$, you dont have to sell the land just the trees and its up to them to innoculate the trees for another 2 years, because its theirs.., you transfer the risk.. they transfer ca$h.. [quote]

In my opinion, this is the most viable way to sell your karas tree without too much risk. You will only need to wait 5 years instead of 7 years and furthermore, you would not have to worry about the success of the inoculation. If you can sell those tree say around Rm1000.00 each. Assuming you are planting those tree in 3x3m spacing you will get approximately 1 thousand tree per hectare and that alone is Rm1million.

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Hi eehtsitna,
I will be in KK end of May "Pesta Menuai", are you in KK or Sandakan? The "cutting" I have in mind will be combine with another borrowed technology to increase its root growth and tree growth within few weeks, this will be an interesting experiment. About the lots of branches... isnt that a good thing? 1 tree = 3 or 4 tree (like in the picture below).. also with this 1 tree I can combine other type of agarwood in 1 tree, which means type A tree with 3 branch cut 1 branch replace with type B branch.. just an idea.. [/quote]

I am station in Sandakan. I might be in KK during that time but I cannot confirm anything for now. Regarding the borrowed technology you mentioned earlier. Is it a common technology used on oil palm? If you are serious about conducting this experiment do let me know. I am interested with the result. biggrin.gif

Ooo, you plan to do grafting? Hmmm... i am not sure what is your intention of doing so but I can tell you that it is not economically viable since you will need to add in cost for grafting into your financial management plan. Not to mention that you need to have alot of skilled worker who has experiences with grafting.

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http://www.leapspiral.org/projects/ <--- SFD"Sabah Forest Dept" are you charging the UMN technology??
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I can answer this question. From my understanding, the department is still experimenting on this technology. At the time being, we are not promoting or encourage the usage of this technology until the department have enough data to back up the result.
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In my opinion, this is the most viable way to sell your karas tree without too much risk. You will only need to wait 5 years instead of 7 years and furthermore, you would not have to worry about the success of the inoculation. If you can sell those tree say around Rm1000.00 each. Assuming you are planting those tree in 3x3m spacing you will get approximately 1 thousand tree per hectare and that alone is Rm1million.

I am station in Sandakan. I might be in KK during that time but I cannot confirm anything for now. Regarding the borrowed technology you mentioned earlier. Is it a common technology used on oil palm? If you are serious about conducting this experiment do let me know. I am interested with the result. biggrin.gif

Ooo, you plan to do grafting? Hmmm... i am not sure what is your intention of doing so but I can tell you that it is not economically viable since you will need to add in cost for grafting into your financial management plan. Not to mention that you need to have alot of skilled worker who has experiences with grafting.
I can answer this question. From my understanding, the department is still experimenting on this technology. At the time being, we are not promoting or encourage the usage of this technology until the department have enough data to back up the result.
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That's a good idea, wait for 5 years and then sell the trees straight away. If people want to buy it for RM1,000.00 per tree, the return is still good. I can't wait to start this project, it's been almost a year now. I have to ask the contractor to clear my land as soon as possible. Moreover I have to build fence around my land. That would cost a lot also sad.gif Have you found the best method for inoculation eehtsitna? This thread has become quite popular recently smile.gif

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Bear in mind that when you are clearing the land up, you should leave those big tree around to give some shade to the karas seedling that you want to plant. Even though karas is a light demanding species, it is good to have some shade early in the planting stage to improve the survival rate. Once the seedling has established itself on the site, then you might consider felling those big tree to free up space and to reduce the competition for the karas tree.

The best inoculation technique? I cannot give any recommendation at the moment because I have only tested 1 technique so far. That is why I am trying to get a friend of mine to source out various inoculation technique out there so that I can test it out and later compare the results. I know where to get the trees for testing. The only problem is I do not have the techniques to test with. Mind you, some people guard this technique as a trade secret and most of the inoculation technique is the market is expensive. tongue.gif

amirbashah - Where is the location that you are planting your karas and how big is the area? I got a few friends in KL area that might know a few contractor who is willing to take up that job from you.

It is a good thing the thread is getting more attention lately. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Apr 22 2008, 02:36 PM)
Bear in mind that when you are clearing the land up, you should leave those big tree around to give some shade to the karas seedling that you want to plant. Even though karas is a light demanding species, it is good to have some shade early in the planting stage to improve the survival rate. Once the seedling has established itself on the site, then you might consider felling those big tree to free up space and to reduce the competition for the karas tree.

The best inoculation technique? I cannot give any recommendation at the moment because I have only tested 1 technique so far. That is why I am trying to get a friend of mine to source out various inoculation technique out there so that I can test it out and later compare the results. I know where to get the trees for testing. The only problem is I do not have the techniques to test with. Mind you, some people guard this technique as a trade secret and most of the inoculation technique is the market is expensive. tongue.gif

amirbashah - Where is the location that you are planting your karas and how big is the area? I got a few friends in KL area that might know a few contractor who is willing to take up that job from you.

It is a good thing the thread is getting more attention lately. tongue.gif
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You should see how my land looks like. It's like a forest. I called the supplier of the trees and he said he's willing to plant the trees at a cost. RM2 per tree and he will monitor your trees for 3 months. The supplier will do a survey at my land soon. This is the same person I bought the trees from late last year, Jasben Plantation. They sell it RM5 per tree. I don't know where you could get it much cheaper.

I'll be planting it in Sungai Merab (border of Putrajaya). The land is 6+ acres. I already ask a contractor to do the job but currently he's quite busy. I don't know when he'll be free. Please do give me a contact number because I really don't want to delay planting the trees. Just want to ask your opinion, what's the best species of gaharu tree? Mallacensis, Crassna or Subintegra?

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Jasben plantation? Is it the company based in Kelantan? The price for the seedling is reasonable. Regarding the Rm2 per tree planting service, does the cost cover the 3 month monitoring operation? Or was it Rm2 per tree per month? tongue.gif

My friend is not in Malaysia at the moment. Will try to contact him and ask him regarding the contractor when he is back.

The best species for gaharu production? That is another grey area that needs to be study intensively. No one can say for sure what species is the best but somehow people has relate each species to the final product that you can get out of it.

A. malaccensis - wood chip
A. crassna - oil
A. subintegra - (i am not sure about this though)
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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 15 2008, 01:34 PM)
those land in muar.. johor tongue.gif cheap ^^

it's easy to get to muar, about 2 hours from KL biggrin.gif

well, try find rural land, it's better... a lot of malay in rural got land but didn't use it.. if can get them to rent their land is the best, in the same time ask them take care tongue.gif
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i'm wangmali....stay in Kluang and already planted gaharu for 6 month........if u need sourcing i.e trees etc.......just col me at 0127997821.......tq rclxms.gif


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I'm selling gaharu trees also,R & D ,inoculation,marketing ......everything regarding gahharu..........just col me azam or wangmali my nickname 0127997821...come and visit my plantation in Kluang....we are the first use this new tech. of planting..........we have our own R&D (with UPM)....bye

Dont waste yr time discussing but no action taken....dont worry we have many expertise regarding this gaharu.....and those kelantan and pahang fellow already rich......................it was proven. we are not right person to do research unless u are majoring in agri.......many experting experts out there,,,,,,,,,,,,,just listen to them and make comparison.......gd luck and bye2

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Boleh ke sesiapa terangkan sedidit perbezaan gaharu dengan chandan? Kerana semasa di Pahang dahulu orang asli selalu pergi car chandan(candan?) tapi tak pernah dengar cari gaharu.
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Jasben plantation? Is it the company based in Kelantan? The price for the seedling is reasonable. Regarding the Rm2 per tree planting service, does the cost cover the 3 month monitoring operation? Or was it Rm2 per tree per month? tongue.gif

My friend is not in Malaysia at the moment. Will try to contact him and ask him regarding the contractor when he is back.

The best species for gaharu production? That is another grey area that needs to be study intensively. No one can say for sure what species is the best but somehow people has relate each species to the final product that you can get out of it.

A. malaccensis - wood chip
A. crassna - oil
A. subintegra - (i am not sure about this though)
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Yup, they are from Kelantan and have an office here in Damansara (actually the owner's house). The RM2 planting service also includes the cost cover the 3 month monitoring operation (if I'm not mistaken). Check out their website at www.jasbenplantation.cjb.net or www.jasben.cjb.net. I think it's better to diversify. Plant the three types of gaharu trees on my land but maybe I would increase the amount of malaccensis trees. Can you give me your phone number?


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Boleh ke sesiapa terangkan sedidit perbezaan gaharu dengan chandan? Kerana semasa di Pahang dahulu orang asli selalu pergi car chandan(candan?) tapi tak pernah dengar cari gaharu.
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Saya rasa chandan/candan dan gaharu adalah benda yang sama. If I'm not mistaken.

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Do you guys have any information on Agarwood/Gaharu?I heard it's a good investment.It is a tree or wood used for making perfume.The demand for the commodity is quite high and selling around RM10k-RM20k per kilogram.The oil from the trees are more expensive which could sell around RM20k-RM40k per kilogram.You could buy the trees for RM5-RM100 depending on the size and could plant around 450-600 trees on 1 acre of land.The oil/wood from the trees can be harvested after 7 years.If I'm not mistaken,the trees from an acre of land can generate you a profit of RM500k-RM1 million.If you guys are expert or have a lot of information on this subject please let me know.And feel free to discuss.
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I am going to grow Gaharu plant since we have some common interest why don't we have phone conversation to understand better.
my phoneno: 016=3333283 or email: ycsan@pc.jaring.my.

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those land in muar.. johor tongue.gif cheap ^^

it's easy to get to muar, about 2 hours from KL biggrin.gif

well, try find rural land, it's better... a lot of malay in rural got land but didn't use it.. if can get them to rent their land is the best, in the same time ask them take care tongue.gif
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Are you still looking for land to grow Gaharu ?

I have some good deal for you.

Please contact me: 016-3333283.
email: ycsan@pc.jaring.my

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I can supply with complete planting with the innoculation service.

Interested person can contact me at NO: 016-3333283. or email: ycsan@pc.jaring..my

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I'll be planting it in Sungai Merab (border of Putrajaya). The land is 6+ acres. I already ask a contractor to do the job but currently he's quite busy. I don't know when he'll be free. Please do give me a contact number because I really don't want to delay planting the trees. Just want to ask your opinion, what's the best species of gaharu tree? Mallacensis, Crassna or Subintegra?
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Hi all, I'm a newbie to this forum

I'd just like to share the same interest in cultivated agarwood in which during my years, there has been loads misleading infos regarding cultivated agarwood. Throughout the threads, I do much agree with eehtsitna regarding the infos.

To anyone here who'd like to view a sample on wot an agarwood plantation would be like, or just wanna gain same extra info, or even to actually view the inoculating technique, u guys are most welcome to our humble plantation in Sg. Merab, Bangi. In that particular plantation, we planted a variety of Aq. Malaccensis, Aq. Crassna, Aq. Sub integra and Aq. Hirta (candan) just to compare its growth rate, compatibility and of course the result. As for the rest of our plantations, we focus more on Aq. Sub integra, as from our research with our partner in Trat, it produces more oil and are among the the best oudh oil from cultivated agarwood. (refer 'Cambodian Oudh' pricing)

Just contact us for info regarding seedlings, plantation management, inoculants, distillation process and market and sales of gaharu products.

Amirbashah, bro i believe that our plantation are quite nearby. We have another plantation at Kg. Limau Manis. Can I know where is ur plantation? and wot species are u planting?


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Jasben plantation? Is it the company based in Kelantan? The price for the seedling is reasonable. Regarding the Rm2 per tree planting service, does the cost cover the 3 month monitoring operation? Or was it Rm2 per tree per month? tongue.gif

My friend is not in Malaysia at the moment. Will try to contact him and ask him regarding the contractor when he is back.

The best species for gaharu production? That is another grey area that needs to be study intensively. No one can say for sure what species is the best but somehow people has relate each species to the final product that you can get out of it.

A. malaccensis - wood chip
A. crassna - oil
A. subintegra - (i am not sure about this though)
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Hi eehtsitna,

from our experience and research since all the inoculants nowdays cannot produce a high quality gaharu in chip form, we feel it is much wiser for gaharu planters to focus more on oil producing. from the 3 species above, cultivated of course, all of them can produce oil, and in the market we found out that the market (esp middle easterners) are quite fond of the oil produced by Aq. Sub integra and are willing to pay quite a price! nod.gif
So for us, as for now, we prefer to focus more on Aq. Sub integra + a personnel from a government agency did announce that Aq. Sub integra is the best cultivated gaharu producing species during an international gaharu conference recently held during NATPRO @ PWTC
But anyhow, all of this can be solve by a good marketing strategy combined with a good sales negotiation biggrin.gif



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To any one who are looking for land and Gaharu Plant I have the it ready.

I can supply with complete planting with the innoculation service.

Interested person can contact me at NO: 016-3333283. or email: ycsan@pc.jaring..my

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Yo guys! There is this agarwood seminar coming up on the 25th - 26th of May 2008 in Kelantan. Since it is organized by a private company and I am not affiliated with them, I will not post their information here to the public. If you are interested, drop me a pm and i will give you the detail information regarding this seminar.


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Yo guys! There is this agarwood seminar coming up on the 25th - 26th of May 2008 in Kelantan. Since it is organized by a private company and I am not affiliated with them, I will not post their information here to the public. If you are interested, drop me a pm and i will give you the detail information regarding this seminar.
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[quote=growproject,May 14 2008, 04:45 AM]
Hi all, I'm a newbie to this forum

I'd just like to share the same interest in cultivated agarwood in which during my years, there has been loads misleading infos regarding cultivated agarwood. Throughout the threads, I do much agree with eehtsitna regarding the infos.

To anyone here who'd like to view a sample on wot an agarwood plantation would be like, or just wanna gain same extra info, or even to actually view the inoculating technique, u guys are most welcome to our humble plantation in Sg. Merab, Bangi. In that particular plantation, we planted a variety of Aq. Malaccensis, Aq. Crassna, Aq. Sub integra and Aq. Hirta (candan) just to compare its growth rate, compatibility and of course the result. As for the rest of our plantations, we focus more on Aq. Sub integra, as from our research with our partner in Trat, it produces more oil and are among the the best oudh oil from cultivated agarwood. (refer 'Cambodian Oudh' pricing)

Just contact us for info regarding seedlings, plantation management, inoculants, distillation process and market and sales of gaharu products.

Amirbashah, bro i believe that our plantation are quite nearby. We have another plantation at Kg. Limau Manis. Can I know where is ur plantation? and wot species are u planting?


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Seems like your land is near to mine. My land is located near to the cemetery. It's located on the right side of the road if you're heading to Limau Manis or to the cemetery. Maybe I could visit your agarwood plantation soon. Currently I only plant Malaccencis. PM me your phone number.


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amirbashah,

bro check your pm


Added on May 15, 2008, 11:37 pmthruout this thread i find that there are plenty of forumers that are interested in this agarwood field. are there any TT's or gathering being held? coz i feel it's wise for us to get to knw each other plus we could even swap ideas regarding this matter.

i regret for the late introduction to this forum, if not i would invite u guys to out talk about cultivated gaharu held recently. anyway, if there are requests, we might be organizing it again. thumbup.gif

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I would love to have a visit to your plantation at sg.merab,bangi.. sometime
Im going back to KK,Sabah (to do testing on other project) next week
and will take pictures of my friends plantation and with permission post it here
see ya soon

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I would love to have a visit to your plantation at sg.merab,bangi.. sometime
Im going back to KK,Sabah (to do testing on other project) next week
and will take pictures of my friends plantation and with permission post it here
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u're welcome bro to visit at anytime (asalkan bukan mlm ler) hehe... just gimme a call @ 016-3929161 smile.gif

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Contract Farming

We offer a Repurchasing Contract to anybody who are interested in developing an Agarwood Plantation.

Apart from that we offer:
1. Aquilaria saplings (Sub integra, Crassna & Malaccensis)
2. Plantation Management
3. Advisory
4. Inoculants & Inoculating Services
5. Distillation Services
6. Pure Agarwood Oil

Please contact Mr. Arfan @ 016-3929161 for further info and site visit. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Contract Farming

We offer a Repurchasing Contract to anybody who are interested in developing an Agarwood Plantation.

Apart from that we offer:
1. Aquilaria saplings (Sub integra, Crassna & Malaccensis)
2. Plantation Management
3. Advisory
4. Inoculants & Inoculating Services
5. Distillation Services
6. Pure Agarwood Oil

Please contact Mr. Arfan @ 016-3929161 for further info and site visit.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I m interested.How much it will cost and what is the procedure?

Thanks.
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I m interested.How much it will cost and what is the procedure?

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wow mr kwaytiau... mana-mana pun ada hahaha... looks like u really are interested bro, anyway i prefer if we could meet up so that we could discuss further about this, besides i'll arrange a site visit to our plantation so that we could have a clear picture bout what's the project gonna be like thumbup.gif
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wow mr kwaytiau... mana-mana pun ada hahaha... looks like u really are interested bro, anyway i prefer if we could meet up so that we could discuss further about this, besides i'll arrange a site visit to our plantation so that we could have a clear picture bout what's the project gonna be like  thumbup.gif
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wow mr kwaytiau... mana-mana pun ada hahaha... looks like u really are interested bro, anyway i prefer if we could meet up so that we could discuss further about this, besides i'll arrange a site visit to our plantation so that we could have a clear picture bout what's the project gonna be like  thumbup.gif
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Saya pun nak datang tengok jugak. Sekarang ni saya sibuk dengan kebun saya la En. Arfan. Saya ada post gambar dekat page 1 thread ni.
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Im back from a visit to my friends plantations and got some new info (atleast new to me). He is planting multiple types of trees (Sub integra, Crassna, Malaccensis & a Hybrid) from our neighbouring country (cant really say which, but you all know which country that dont have any agarwood tree 10 year ago are now 10 year ahead of us and a major agarwood player, so they are telling that you can get a possible $20k per tree- provided there is no middleman). You can get a young tree for less than RM1 there and he said that the best will be Crassna for chip gaharu or the Hybrid type.. but hybrid having trouble with malaysian climate, but most probable due to the long journey they take to reach here. Also get your self familiar with CITES - Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species http://www.mtc.com.my/mtib_procedure.htm . Regards to inoculations, there, it is sold at RM150 per liter (proven affective base on 10 year experience) compare to RM250-400 (with no proof of affectiveness) sold locally. Its injected at 4th year depends of type of tree - weak 1 will die. The neighbouring country are not secretive on these infos.. if you can understand their language better.. smile.gif cheers.. 17 acres here I come, ohh 1 more thing.. before you go all out cutting your own forest for plantation.. be sure to check if there is any old karas tree growing on your land.. that tree will give you $$$$$$ in less than 2 years after inoculation! take care goodluck.. I hope the goverment is not reading this and make it harder for us to improve our finacial well being (impose licence/tax/this that anything to churn more money to finance the rakyat money churning project-example-gov funded back seat belts paid by tax money-awarded to companies that put $$ in their pockets! Cheers

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TS, I have a 12 acre of palm oil estate in Perak, can you guide my on this plantation !!! I really need to know as my palm oil trees are growing old....
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hmm, my dad has a small piece of land, around 4acres in perak as well. just wondering how to start with agarwood plantation and starting cost.


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hmm, my dad has a small piece of land, around 4acres in perak as well. just wondering how to start with agarwood plantation and starting cost.
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Hi there, one tree would cost you RM5-RM15 and you could plant around 500-1000 trees on an acre of land. The fertilizers is not that expensive which is RM0.30-RM0.50 per piece. Bear in mind that you have to clear your land from shrubs, weeds and trees before planting the agarwood trees. It's better for you to buy a chainsaw, 'mesin rumput' etc. But it's not necessary to clear all of it. Better leave some trees as a shade for the agarwood trees.
If you clear you land by yourself (like me), it would save you a lot of money. Don't forget about fencing to avoid wild animals (wild boar) or thieves entering your plantation. For more information, ask Mr. Growproject aka Mr. Arfan or Mr. Eehsitna. He can supply you with the trees and give you advice on this particular subject.


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Pictures of my gaharu trees

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It is good to see the thread alive again!!! tongue.gif Sorry guys if i am late in replying your questions and stuff. Having loads of work and at the same time trying to sort out some emotional problem. tongue.gif

If i am not mistaken, i still owe amirbashah an explanation on "thinning" and a reply for growproject's pm. tongue.gif Will work on it as soon as possible. biggrin.gif

Cheers and happy planting!!! biggrin.gif
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i have 3 acres land and will plant agarwood soon after clean the bushes..

do we need special 'baja' to plan this?

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Hello All,

I represent a company in Lao PDR called Happy Farmers Co Ltd <www.happyfarmers.com> We are the exclusive distributor of CA Kits for Lao PDR. CA Kits are the only legitimate inducement technology for agarwood trees. The technology is patented or patent is pending in most of the main producing countries and markets for agarwood. This means that if you export agarwood to a country legally (i.e. with CITES certification) you may be infringing the patent if the agarwood was produced using a technology other than CA Kits.

Regardless of the patent protection, CA Kits are the most cost effective way to produce good quality cultivated agarwood, so you would be wasting your money and agarwood trees if you used any other inducement technology.

My main reason for writing today was to inform you of a great investment opportunity. We can offer you 100,000 standing agarwood trees for US$1 million (the plantation is in Lao PDR). They include about 50,000 trees that are ready to treat immediately with CA Kits (they were planted in 2001). Mixed in with those trees are another 50,000 younger trees of various ages that were replanted in the gaps where the original trees died. The buyer can use the land until the last of the trees are harvested.

Other good news for a potential investor is that agarwood trees treated with CA Kits can now be harvested at 10 � 12 months after first treatment. In other words the production cycle has been reduced from the original 2 years to just 1 year thanks to improvements in the potency of the CA Kit technology. (This news was received just this week after a recent visit by Prof. Robert Blanchette of the University of Minnesota - co-inventor of the CA Kit - to assess the latest research results in Vietnam).

We can negotiate later the price that we'd charge for CA Kits (one kit per tree) � but for the time being you can budget $30/tree (including all materials and application service); this price could be significantly reduced in exchange for a share of the trees at harvest time. You should add say another couple of dollars per tree for security/taking care of the trees (i.e. plantation management). Also, to improve access to the plantation, we advise improving the farm road at a cost of $50,000.

So I estimate a total investment of $1,000,000 (trees) + $1,500,000 (CA Kits) + $100,000 (management) + $50,000 (road) + $500,000 (for processing & marketing costs) = US$3,150,000 (focusing on exploiting the 50,000 mature trees only).

In return, I would estimate conservatively a gross income of 50,000 x $200 = US$10,000,000 after 12 months. (And more money could be made from the 50,000 younger trees in later years).

I reckon this is real bargain and I wish we could finance this deal ourselves but our limited cash resources are already invested in CA Kits and agarwood trees. We are making this offer to other potential buyers, so it's a case of "first come, first served".

Best regards,
Happy Farmer.
P.S. For further information you may also like to visit www.cultivatedagarwood.com www.scentedmountain.com and http://forestpathology.cfans.umn.edu/agarwoodmeeting.htm

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Eddie? Is that you? I dont have the time to look into the detail of your proposal but will go through it when i return from home after office hour.
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Eddie? Is that you? I dont have the time to look into the detail of your proposal but will go through it when i return from home after office hour.
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Yes it's me! smile.gif I am not sure who you are but I guess we met at the International Agarwood Conference in Bangkok in March last year?


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There is this one old guy planted agarwood trees on his 30 acres land and a Japanese investor wants to buy the trees for RM60 million.IM NOT JOKING.
Hi Amirbashah,

Any chance you can find out who is the Japanese investor? He might be interested in our offer.

Thanks.

Happy Farmer.


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Looking from these pictures, I think you're goin to have tough competition from Thai growers.
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Those trees are not so good - they are too tall and thin and they should not have multiple stems. Objective should be to maximise the yield of agarwood per CA Kit, not per hectare of land (because your most expensive input is the CA Kit not the land or tree).


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It's a forest tree and no need to take care of it often.
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I wish that was true. Actually the plantation needs to be weeded, protected from fire, livestock and thieves. In the wrong place (e.g. poor draining soil) the trees can die of root rot disease (e.g. Fusarium spp) and leaf eating caterpillars can be a serious pest - they have contributed to the death of many agarwood trees in Lao PDR and Vietnam (and perhaps other countries but I don't have any information about that). However all these problems can be avoided/controlled with proper management. If you see my earlier post you will note that I referred to 50,000 out of 100,000 trees being replanted due to the original trees dying - that was simply because the previous plantation owner did not manage his plantation properly.


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it is baby tree i already plant it at polybag, this gaharu need space 6 feet from each other when u plant it to land, then can u find land at selangor  and can be rent for 7 years
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I'd suggest 3 meters very minimum, but 3.5 meters would be better.

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Those trees are not so good - they are too tall and thin and they should not have multiple stems. Objective should be to maximise the yield of agarwood per CA Kit, not per hectare of land (because your most expensive input is the CA Kit not the land or tree).

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So what is the best solution for this problem? Is it because the trees are planted too close to each other or there are other reasons for it?

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That's a good idea, wait for 5 years and then sell the trees straight away. If people want to buy it for RM1,000.00 per tree, the return is still good. I can't wait to start this project, it's been almost a year now. I have to ask the contractor to clear my land as soon as possible. Moreover I have to build fence around my land. That would cost a lot also  sad.gif Have you found the best method for inoculation eehtsitna? This thread has become quite popular recently  smile.gif
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I am not sure why anybody would pay RM1,000 per 5-year-old-tree without any treatment when they could buy 7-year-old trees from me for less than one tenth of that price!

In the Lao PDR, farmers sell trees at any age from one year upwards but the older they are the higher the price.

Regarding inducement treatment, the only proven and patented treatment worth applying is the CA Kit. All other techniques (and there are many that can produce resin in agarwood trees) are by far inferior. It simply does not make sense to spend money to grow a tree and then treat it with an inferior technique (especially if it costs more than a CA Kit!).

Furthermore, if you want to export the agarwood legally (with CITES certification) then you will need to declare where the wood came from. Since the patent for CA Kits covers all other inducement techniques it will be easy to catch the person trading the agarwood that has been produced using another technique that infringes the CA Kit patent.

So if you want to maximize your profits from your agarwood trees and stay legal, the CA Kit is your only option. Since most of you are in Malaysia you can contact Healthy Business Sdn Bhd for more information about CA Kits (see: http://www.cultivatedagarwood.com/?page_id=6 ) for their contact numbers.


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So what is the best solution for this problem? Is it because the trees are planted too close to each other or there are other reasons for it?
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they are telling that you can get a possible $20k per tree- provided there is no middleman).
I don't know if you mean US$ or RM but either way I don't believe anyone will ever get anywhere near that price for their trees. Some people are just exaggerating the prices paid for trees in order to promote their products. There are a lot of cowboys in this business so please be careful everyone.


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from our experience and research since all the inoculants nowdays cannot produce a high quality gaharu in chip form,
Hi Growproject,

So please tell us if you have researched the CA Kit? If you visit www.scentedmountain.com you can see good quality chips produced from CA Kits selling for nice prices. I believe only CA Kits can produce good quality chips; I agree that all the other techniques are only good for making oil.


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The best inoculation technique? I cannot give any recommendation at the moment because I have only tested 1 technique so far. That is why I am trying to get a friend of mine to source out various inoculation technique out there so that I can test it out and later compare the results. I know where to get the trees for testing. The only problem is I do not have the techniques to test with. Mind you, some people guard this technique as a trade secret and most of the inoculation technique is the market is expensive. tongue.gif
Not sure why you want to do testing when others have already done the testing for you! If I was a Malaysian tax payer I would be complaining about my government wasting my taxes doing unnecessary research! biggrin.gif Also all the other techniques (i.e. other than CA Kits) are illegal.

The CA Kits are not expensive if you consider the high profits that can be made from applying them to agarwood trees. Spend US$30 on a kit and get back at least $200 one year later! smile.gif



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good information from Happy Farmer.

thank you.
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I've been warned about others trying to gain control on your plantation (directly or indirectly).. we must make a correct choice from the start...

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In return, I would estimate conservatively a gross income of 50,000 x $200 = US$10,000,000 after 12 months


I assume is it USD $200 (RM640*as per current exchange rate*) per tree? Im taking your estimate for future calculation because it is much realistic and I gather you have much experience on this trade (estimate conservatively).

From the figure above, If I have cultivated 500 trees per acre so 500 x 17acre x RM640 = RM5,440,000. Well I dont mind waiting for that amount of $.

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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Jun 7 2008, 05:25 PM)
I assume is it USD $200 (RM640*as per current exchange rate*) per tree? Im taking your estimate for future calculation because it is much realistic and I gather you have much experience on this trade (estimate conservatively).
Hi Sham903n,
Yes I estimate conservatively US$200 per tree. The assumptions on which this figure are based are that an agarwood tree of 10 - 14cm DBH (diameter at breast height - 137 cm from the ground) is treated with a CA Kit and yields one year later a minimum of 200 grams of good quality agarwood chips which are currently selling at not less than US$1,000/kg at wholesale price in the country of production. As you can see from www.scentedmountain.com the retail price in a consuming country can be much higher. Actually yields of up to 500 grams of good quality agarwood chips per tree (of above size) have been harvested. Besides the good quality agarwood chips, there will also be a kilogram of lower quality agarwood powder (produced when cleaning the chips) worth about US$30 - 50/kg that can be used to make incense or for oil extraction. Hence I consider the US$200/tree is a conservative figure.

QUOTE(Sham903n @ Jun 7 2008, 05:25 PM)
I have cultivated 500 trees per acre
I reckon that's nearly 1,250 trees per hectare. I believe around 800 - 850/hectare would be better. Anyhow, you can still produce agarwood at the higher tree density but just remember to give Healthy Business a call when your trees are big enough wink.gif this will probably be at around 5-years-of-age (provided you prune them to just one main stem, otherwise a multi-stem tree will take 1 - 3 years longer for the individual stems to reach the right diameter for treatment).


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good information from Happy Farmer.

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QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 6 2008, 03:58 PM)
Other good news for a potential investor is that agarwood trees treated with CA Kits can now be harvested at 10 � 12 months after first treatment. In other words the production cycle has been reduced from the original 2 years to just 1 year thanks to improvements in the potency of the CA Kit technology.  (This news was received just this week after a recent visit by Prof. Robert Blanchette of the University of Minnesota - co-inventor of the CA Kit - to assess the latest research results in Vietnam).
Wow that is really something new. Will need to check out on this with my other coleagues.

QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 6 2008, 03:58 PM)
We can negotiate later the price that we'd charge for CA Kits (one kit per tree) � but for th1e time being you can budget $30/tree (including all materials and application service); this price could be significantly reduced in exchange for a share of the trees at harvest time. You should add say another couple of dollars per tree for security/taking care of the trees (i.e. plantation management). Also, to improve access to the plantation, we advise improving the farm road at a cost of $50,000.

So I estimate a total investment of $1,000,000 (trees) + $1,500,000 (CA Kits) + $100,000 (management) + $50,000 (road) + $500,000 (for processing & marketing costs) = US$3,150,000 (focusing on exploiting the 50,000 mature trees only).

In return, I would estimate conservatively a gross income of 50,000 x $200 = US$10,000,000 after 12 months. (And more money could be made from the 50,000 younger trees in later years).
Based on your experiences working on agarwood plantation in Laos. May i know on average how much agarwood can a tree in Laos produce and what is the grade for the wood?


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I am not sure why anybody would pay RM1,000 per 5-year-old-tree without any treatment when they could buy 7-year-old trees from me for less than one tenth of that price!

In the Lao PDR, farmers sell trees at any age from one year upwards but the older they are the higher the price. 
Dont mind the Rm1000 example. That was just a convenient figure that pops up in my mind when i try to explain the option of selling their own tree.

QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 7 2008, 02:56 PM)
Regarding inducement treatment, the only proven and patented treatment worth applying is the CA Kit. All other techniques (and there are many that can produce resin in agarwood trees) are by far inferior. It simply does not make sense to spend money to grow a tree and then treat it with an inferior technique (especially if it costs more than a CA Kit!).

Furthermore, if you want to export the agarwood legally (with CITES certification) then you will need to declare where the wood came from. Since the patent for CA Kits covers all other inducement techniques it will be easy to catch the person trading the agarwood that has been produced using another technique that infringes the CA Kit patent.

So if you want to maximize your profits from your agarwood trees and stay legal, the CA Kit is your only option.
I think I have to sit out of this issue because there is already alot of discussion regarding CA Kit.

QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 7 2008, 02:56 PM)
Not sure why you want to do testing when others have already done the testing for you! If I was a Malaysian tax payer I would be complaining about my government wasting my taxes doing unnecessary research!  biggrin.gif  Also all the other techniques (i.e. other than CA Kits) are illegal.
We researchers are a bunch of curious people. Did you ever consider that technique that might work for agarwood tree in Laos might not work in Malaysia? We have our own species of agarwood, different microclimate, soil properties, rainfall and alot of other different factors. Not to mention that we need proof/result to backup our claim. Until some research is done on this in Malaysia, we cannot draw any conclusion or make any claim.


Added on June 8, 2008, 12:10 pmOoo by the way, a planting spacing of 3x3m or a planting density of 1100 tree per hectare is still viable if you are planning to conduct thinning on the trees in 1-2 years time. If you want to save cost and time, you might as well plant it using 4x4m.

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Yes - too close planting and also lack of correct pruning (to maintain only one leader/main stem) when the trees are young.

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I'm already planting my trees 3 metres (10 feet) apart from each other. But what do you mean by pruning? I've called the company which you've mentioned (happy .......?) but unfortunately the worker/officer/manager was on MC that day. I'll call back on Monday. I'm quite interested in the CA kit but USD30 is quite high don't you think? It's near to RM100 per kit. If I have 1000 trees, I would need around RM100,000 to buy the CA kit. That's the current price for the kit, don't forget the price will increase in the future (hopefully not).


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Added on June 8, 2008, 12:10 pmOoo by the way, a planting spacing of 3x3m or a planting density of 1100 tree per hectare is still viable if you are planning to conduct thinning on the trees in 1-2 years time. If you want to save cost and time, you might as well plant it using 4x4m.
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Eehsitna, you still haven't explained the thinning process to me sad.gif

I'm glad there's a few experts like Happy Farmer, Eehsitna, Growproject etc in this thread. Hopefully they could share more on their knowledge/expertise to us. I really appreciate your contribution to this thread. Thanks smile.gif

Hei, when are we going to conduct a meeting? I'm still waiting for you Eehsitna. Hahaha biggrin.gif

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But what do you mean by pruning?
I mean that when the young agarwood tree is growing (even when it is still in the nursery) it often has a tendency to form two or more main stems, i.e. one or more of the branches tends to become more dominant than is desirable and so it starts to compete with the original main stem. If this side branch is not removed it will form a main stem leading to a mature tree with more than one main stem or trunk. Not all side branches do this, so I don't mean you should cut off all the side branches - but where one side branch starts to become equal in size to the main stem then you can either cut it off or just cut it back a little to reduce its apical dominance. Later on it is good to cut off the lower side branches so that you have a nice clear stretch of main stem in which to apply the CA Kit (because it's difficult to work on a tree when there are many side branches in the way).


QUOTE(amirbashah @ Jun 8 2008, 11:32 AM)
I've called the company which you've mentioned (happy .......?) but unfortunately the worker/officer/manager was on MC that day. I'll call back on Monday. I'm quite interested in the CA kit but USD30 is quite high don't you think? It's near to RM100 per kit. If I have 1000 trees, I would need around RM100,000 to buy the CA kit. That's the current price for the kit, don't forget the price will increase in the future (hopefully not).
You need to call the Healthy company not the Happy one! biggrin.gif Actually I don't know what is the price of CA Kits in Malaysia, that depends on Healthy Business. US$30 is our price in Lao PDR for a number one size CA Kit (including the booster treatment and application service).

I agree that if you have a lot of trees the financial investment to treat them with CA Kits can be very high, but then so can the payback. One strategy would be to treat as many of the trees as you can afford one year, then 12 months later after you have harvested and sold the agarwood you can reinvest your income in treating the remaining trees, i.e. you don't have to treat all 1,000 trees at the same time.
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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Jun 8 2008, 10:36 AM)
May i know on average how much agarwood can a tree in Laos produce and what is the grade for the wood?
We will be harvesting our first batches of trees in Laos later this year, but we expect to get the same results as achieved in Vietnam and Thailand where CA Kits have already been tested. We have already cut some trees earlier than recommended to monitor the development of resin in the tree and everything looks good. I attach a recent photo taken of one such tree. The proud owner is on the right - he owns one of the largest plantations in Laos - several hundred hectares. He is now a Happy Farmer, hence our company's name. biggrin.gif I'm holding the saw!

QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Jun 8 2008, 10:36 AM)
Did you ever consider that technique that might work for agarwood tree in Laos might not work in Malaysia? We have our own species of agarwood, different microclimate, soil properties, rainfall and alot of other different factors. Not to mention that we need proof/result to backup our claim. Until some research is done on this in Malaysia, we cannot draw any conclusion or make any claim.
Well there is always scope for improvement and that is exactly what Bob and Henry are doing (i.e. aiming to further increase the performance of the CA Kit technology). However, the CA Kit as it currently stands will work equally well for all species of agarwood and in all countries where agarwood trees grow.

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QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 8 2008, 02:24 PM)
I mean that when the young agarwood tree is growing (even when it is still in the nursery) it often has a tendency to form two or more main stems, i.e. one or more of the branches tends to become more dominant than is desirable and so it starts to compete with the original main stem. If this side branch is not removed it will form a main stem leading to a mature tree with more than one main stem or trunk. Not all side branches do this, so I don't mean you should cut off all the side branches - but where one side branch starts to become equal in size to the main stem then you can either cut it off or just cut it back a little to reduce its apical dominance. Later on it is good to cut off the lower side branches so that you have a nice clear stretch of main stem in which to apply the CA Kit (because it's difficult to work on a tree when there are many side branches in the way).
You need to call the Healthy company not the Happy one!  biggrin.gif Actually I don't know what is the price of CA Kits in Malaysia, that depends on Healthy Business. US$30 is our price in Lao PDR for a number one size CA Kit (including the booster treatment and application service).

I agree that if you have a lot of trees the financial investment to treat them with CA Kits can be very high, but then so can the payback. One strategy would be to treat as many of the trees as you can afford one year, then 12 months later after you have harvested and sold the agarwood you can reinvest your income in treating the remaining trees, i.e. you don't have to treat all 1,000 trees at the same time.
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So in Malaysia only Healthy company provide/sell the CA Kit?

And after implement the method to the trees..after harvested do this company will buy the agarwood?

Thanks to HF,AB,ES and GP for sharing the information about agarwood investment/project.

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QUOTE(kwaytiau @ Jun 8 2008, 01:44 PM)
So in Malaysia only Healthy company provide/sell the CA Kit?
Hi Kwaytiau,

Yes that is correct.

QUOTE(kwaytiau @ Jun 8 2008, 01:44 PM)
And after implement the method to the trees..after harvested do this company will buy the agarwood?
I'm sorry I don't know what is the deal in Malaysia with Healthy Business Co, but I am sure they will tell you. In Laos, we will buy the agarwood from the tree owner if we can negotiate a price that is satisfactory for seller and buyer. You might like to consider that the potential to make profit from the agarwood tree is much higher than from the CA Kit (because the value of the treated tree is many times higher than the price of a CA Kit).

You might like to drop an email to Healthy Business and ask them to participate in this thread so that everyone here can learn more about them, their prices, etc.

Thanks again for your appreciation.

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QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 8 2008, 02:24 PM)
I mean that when the young agarwood tree is growing (even when it is still in the nursery) it often has a tendency to form two or more main stems, i.e. one or more of the branches tends to become more dominant than is desirable and so it starts to compete with the original main stem. If this side branch is not removed it will form a main stem leading to a mature tree with more than one main stem or trunk. Not all side branches do this, so I don't mean you should cut off all the side branches - but where one side branch starts to become equal in size to the main stem then you can either cut it off or just cut it back a little to reduce its apical dominance. Later on it is good to cut off the lower side branches so that you have a nice clear stretch of main stem in which to apply the CA Kit (because it's difficult to work on a tree when there are many side branches in the way).
You need to call the Healthy company not the Happy one!  biggrin.gif Actually I don't know what is the price of CA Kits in Malaysia, that depends on Healthy Business. US$30 is our price in Lao PDR for a number one size CA Kit (including the booster treatment and application service).

I agree that if you have a lot of trees the financial investment to treat them with CA Kits can be very high, but then so can the payback. One strategy would be to treat as many of the trees as you can afford one year, then 12 months later after you have harvested and sold the agarwood you can reinvest your income in treating the remaining trees, i.e. you don't have to treat all 1,000 trees at the same time.
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This pruning technique is a bit complicated. I don't know which branches to cut and my trees are still young. I don't fully understand this concept but will definitely do some research on it. Could you please give me a link on this particular subject? So what will happen if we don't prune the trees? In a nutshell, to make the trees/trunks bigger we must plant the trees at least 3 meters from each other and have to do pruning. Am I right?

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Eehsitna, you still haven't explained the thinning process to me sad.gif
Okok. tongue.gif I will try my best to explain it in detail.

In timber plantation establishment, the first thing that you have to consider is what sort of spacing that you want to use for your plot. You can either choose a close spacing such as 3x3m which has a planting density of around 1100 tree per hectare. OR you can choose a wide spacing such as 5x5m, 5x6m which has a planting density that is lower than that of the 3x3m spacing mentioned earlier.

There are pros and cons on either approach. The close spacing such as the 3x3m will need more planting material in the initial planting stage and not to mention other resources such as labour, time and modal. This spacing will encourage the tree to compete against each other especially for light (canopy establishment) so the trees will grow vertically. And as for the wide spacing mentioned earlier, there are less tree per hectare so the tree will not have to compete too much against each other compare to the tree planted in a close spacing. The tree will grow horizontally (diameter) instead of growing vertically (height).

For timber production, our priority is to grow trees that is tall and straight with less or no forking at all. It is safe to assume that it is true in agarwood production too like what Happy Farmer has mentioned earlier. BUT there is a catch in using a close spacing for plantation establishment. Sooner or later, you will run out of space for the trees to grow (when canopy establishment is achieve). The growth potential of the tree is capped by this factor and the tree will not be able to grow to its full potential.

This is where THINNING treatment comes into play. Usually 1-2 years after planting, you will have to carry out thinning or else it will not be effective. The thinning process is quite straight forward. It is as if you are playing the role of nature where you select and pick out trees that is not growing well (survival of the fittest). By doing so you will free up space for the remaining tree. If our initial planting density is 1100 tree per hectare, after thinning, we will have a density of around 500-600 tree per hectare. Of course this will add up to your management cost but you can still sell those felled tree to generate some return for the time being.

That is really a mouthful! tongue.gif I will try to post something more detail when i get back to the office tomorrow. biggrin.gif Will try my best to answer you guys if you have any question. tongue.gif

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Hei, when are we going to conduct a meeting? I'm still waiting for you Eehsitna. Hahaha  biggrin.gif
Sorry for the hold up. tongue.gif Will keep you guys informed if I am going to KL anytime soon. tongue.gif


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This pruning technique is a bit complicated. I don't know which branches to cut and my trees are still young. I don't fully understand this concept but will definitely do some research on it. Could you please give me a link on this particular subject? So what will happen if we don't prune the trees? In a nutshell, to make the trees/trunks bigger we must plant the trees at least 3 meters from each other and have to do pruning. Am I right?
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You dont need to prune your tree this early! tongue.gif Wait till it has establish itself on the site and wait till it is starting to fork/branch out. Only then you should start to prune it. Doing it now might as well kill your seedling. sweat.gif I will post something regarding to pruning too later. tongue.gif Yes LATER... (cross my fingers)

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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Jun 8 2008, 08:48 PM)
Okok. tongue.gif I will try my best to explain it in detail.

In timber plantation establishment, the first thing that you have to consider is what sort of spacing that you want to use for your plot. You can either choose a close spacing such as 3x3m which has a planting density of around 1100 tree per hectare. OR you can choose a wide spacing such as 5x5m, 5x6m which has a planting density that is lower than that of the 3x3m spacing mentioned earlier.

There are pros and cons on either approach. The close spacing such as the 3x3m will need more planting material in the initial planting stage and not to mention other resources such as labour, time and modal. This spacing will encourage the tree to compete against each other especially for light (canopy establishment) so the trees will grow vertically. And as for the wide spacing mentioned earlier, there are less tree per hectare so the tree will not have to compete too much against each other compare to the tree planted in a close spacing. The tree will grow horizontally (diameter) instead of growing vertically (height).

For timber production, our priority is to grow trees that is tall and straight with less or no forking at all. It is safe to assume that it is true in agarwood production too like what Happy Farmer has mentioned earlier. BUT there is a catch in using a close spacing for plantation establishment. Sooner or later, you will run out of space for the trees to grow (when canopy establishment is achieve). The growth potential of the tree is capped by this factor and the tree will not be able to grow to its full potential.

This is where THINNING treatment comes into play. Usually 1-2 years after planting, you will have to carry out thinning or else it will not be effective. The thinning process is quite straight forward. It is as if you are playing the role of nature where you select and pick out trees that is not growing well (survival of the fittest). By doing so you will free up space for the remaining tree. If our initial planting density is 1100 tree per hectare, after thinning, we will have a density of around 500-600 tree per hectare. Of course this will add up to your management cost but you can still sell those felled tree to generate some return for the time being.

That is really a mouthful! tongue.gif I will try to post something more detail when i get back to the office tomorrow. biggrin.gif Will try my best to answer you guys if you have any question. tongue.gif
Sorry for the hold up. tongue.gif Will keep you guys informed if I am going to KL anytime soon. tongue.gif


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You dont need to prune your tree this early! tongue.gif Wait till it has establish itself on the site and wait till it is starting to fork/branch out. Only then you should start to prune it. Doing it now might as well kill your seedling.  sweat.gif  I will post something regarding to pruning too later. tongue.gif Yes LATER... (cross my fingers)
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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Jun 8 2008, 03:15 PM)
This pruning technique is a bit complicated. I don't know which branches to cut and my trees are still young. I don't fully understand this concept but will definitely do some research on it. Could you please give me a link on this particular subject? So what will happen if we don't prune the trees? In a nutshell, to make the trees/trunks bigger we must plant the trees at least 3 meters from each other and have to do pruning. Am I right?
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Yes you are right.

Having sufficient space between the trees is important so that you get short fat trunks rather than tall thin trunks.

Pruning is important so that you get single trunks not multiple trunks.

So the objective is to get trees with single short fat trunks, not multiple tall thin trunks.

I will try to get some photos to show you what I mean about the pruning.



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PRUNING

Pruning is another standard silvicultural input in tree plantation which is aimed at producing trees without low heavy branches so that long clear boles are formed. The need for pruning depends entirely on the branch development on the lower bole. Well stocked, dense stands discourage early side branch formation and generally require no pruning (Evans 1982). There are two main considerations for pruning, i.e., silvicultural and technical considerations.




Silvicultural considerations

In some species, dead branches soon fall off (natural pruning); in others they persist for many years. For example, Acacia auriculiformis has persistent branches, and pruning must be done if knot-free timber is desired, while such species as Terminalia superba and Neolamarckia cadamba, and most eucalypts have good natural self-pruning ability and rarely need artificial pruning. Eucalyptus grandis and Pinus caribaea are intermediate and have branches persisting for 2-3 years after dying.

Self-pruning is, to some extent, influenced by stand density. Dense, unthinned stands, with trees close together, encourage earlier suppression and death of side branches while they are small. However, the effect on accelerating natural pruning is not much. Of greater importance is the increase in persistence of branches low down the stem in open stands. Where wide spacing and heavy thinning are practised, artificial pruning is essential for all but the most freely naturally self-pruning species if high quality timber is desired.

Technical considerations

The important technical consideration is whether clear, knot-free, and consequently high grade timber is required. For example, wood of such quality is of little importance in plantations grown for:

· Firewood or fuelwood;
· Pulpwood and particle board;
· Low grade sawntimber for uses such as shuttering, and packing cases; and
· Protection purposes such as shelterbelts, erosion control, and stabilisation – in fact, persistent lower branches are often an advantage.

In contrast, clear, knot-free timber is highly desirable or essential for:

1. Veneer production for decorative use, match making, and plywood; knot free timber is needed to ease peeling, improve appearance, and reduce blemishes;
2. High grade constructional timber where uniform strength, and good machining, finishing, and seasoning qualities are important;
3. Various types of poles, e.g. transmission, which need to be smooth for handling, and free of surface snags or holes to prevent entry of fungi or termite into the heartwood which is often not penetrated by preservatives.

THINNING

For most thinning regimes the total volume of timber removed in thinning during rotation amounts to about 40-60 per cent of total production (Evans, 1982). The effects of thinning are:

1. To stimulate diameter growth of the remaining trees;
2. To interrupt stand development by volume reduction, followed by recovery;
3. To redistribute future growth on fewer trees resulting in a stand with a few large trees as opposed to many small ones; and
4. To reduce natural mortality.

Ahmad Zuhaidi and Weinland (2002) suggested that in general, 200 to 300 potential crop trees (PCTs) should be selected for final stand. The desired characteristics of potential crop trees are:

1. Dominant or co-dominant position in the stand;
2. 8 to 9 m bole height;
3. No big side branches;
4. No visible stem damage, disease or epicormic shoots;
5. A straight and vertical trunk;
6. A distinct dominant leader; and
7. No spiral grain or heavy forking.

An even distribution of PCTs is desirable. The selection of small groups of up to 3 trees is permissible. It is not a good practice to sacrifice PCTs for reasons of even distribution when the PCTs reserve does not contain sufficient number of trees. After this stand intervention, the average distance between trees should be 6 to 7 m.

The thinning practice recommended by Ahmad Zuhaidi and Weinland (2002) comprises three main thinning interventions as follows:

First thinning

First thinning is carried out when the average top height of the main crop is about 15 m (preferably diameter at this stage should be around 10 cm). This thinning involves the following steps:

1. Selection and marking of a defined number of potential final crop trees;
2. Removal of trees hampering crown development of the PCTs which could be secondary trees;
3. Removal of wolf trees;
4. Climber control; and
5. Liberation of commercial species in the intervening areas.

Second thinning

Second thinning is carried out when the top height of the main crop averages 20 to 25 m. Three main steps are taken for this operation:

1. Reduction of main crop trees down to PCTs;
2. Climber control on PCTs; and
3. Removal of trees hampering crown development of the selected trees as well as secondary trees.

Third thinning

Third thinning takes place when the average height of the main crop is 30 to 35 m (a 20-year or more rotation is planned). This thinning has two purposes:

1. Reduction of PCTs to the final crop trees ; and
2. Regeneration and final harvest phase (for longer than 20-year rotation), e.g. in the Dryobalanops aromatica stand in FRIM if the next rotation is to be regenerated naturally. Once the regeneration has established itself in sufficient number, felling is carried out to harvest about 50% of the standing stock. The remaining standing stock can be removed when the young regeneration reaches a height of 1.5 m.

Detailed information regarding pruning and thinning.
Source: A Guide to Plantation Forestry In Sabah

Feel free to add this information to the first post.

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Below are 2 photos of agarwood seedlings - one in the nursery and one already planted. In both cases you can see that one of the side branches has started to form a second main stem. Therefore some pruning should start even in the nursery to prevent this from happening.

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QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 9 2008, 02:43 PM)
Below are 2 photos of agarwood seedlings - one in the nursery and one already planted. In both cases you can see that one of the side branches has started to form a second main stem. Therefore some pruning should start even in the nursery to prevent this from happening.

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So what I should do is remove one of the branch right? Just cut the entire branch? Would it have any affect on the growth of the tree or would it kill the tree?

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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Jun 9 2008, 02:50 PM)
So what I should do is remove one of the branch right? Just cut the entire branch? Would it have any affect on the growth of the tree or would it kill the tree?
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I think anyone thinking about growing these tress should think about what the market will be like by the time you can harvest. There are 10s of millions of trees that were planted just to get the 10% that will make oil when they are very mature. Now with this kit the market will in a few years be over flowing with oil. Do some research before you jump in the deep end.


Added on June 17, 2008, 10:48 am
QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 7 2008, 08:27 PM)
Hi Sham903n,
Yes I estimate conservatively US$200 per tree. The assumptions on which this figure are based are that an agarwood tree of 10 - 14cm DBH (diameter at breast height - 137 cm from the ground) is treated with a CA Kit and yields one year later a minimum of 200 grams of good quality agarwood chips which are currently selling at  not less than US$1,000/kg at wholesale price in the country of production. As you can see from www.scentedmountain.com the retail price in a consuming country can be much higher. Actually yields of up to 500 grams of good quality agarwood chips per tree (of above size) have been harvested. Besides the good quality agarwood chips, there will also be a kilogram of lower quality agarwood powder (produced when cleaning the chips) worth about US$30 - 50/kg that can be used to make incense or for oil extraction. Hence I consider the US$200/tree is a conservative figure.
I reckon that's nearly 1,250 trees per hectare. I believe around 800 - 850/hectare would be better. Anyhow, you can still produce agarwood at the higher tree density but just remember to give Healthy Business a call when your trees are big enough   wink.gif this will probably be at around 5-years-of-age (provided you prune them to just one main stem, otherwise a multi-stem tree will take 1 - 3 years longer for the individual stems to reach the right diameter for treatment).


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Isn,t scentedmountain owned by the same company that sells the kits? The kits produce B grade chips tha,t and I have found several refferences on the web sell for $230 KG. So its no where near $1 gram! Who is buying volume at that price? I want to see company info. So in todays market a tree yields $45 to $100 of chips after 6 years . This kit cost $30 and saplings, care, etc. What is the selling price years from now, when the millions of trees out there are done with the kit? Big old trees that were planted 20 years ago. How much will B grade chips be worth then? Don,t base an investment on facts from the company that makes money selling you the tools. Do your own homework.


Added on June 17, 2008, 12:06 pm
QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 16 2008, 12:26 PM)
I think anyone thinking about growing these tress should think about what the market will be like by the time you can harvest. There are 10s of millions of trees that were planted just to get the 10% that will make oil when they are very mature. Now with this kit the market will in a few years be over flowing with oil. Do some research before you jump in the deep end.


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Isn,t scentedmountain owned by the same company that sells the kits? The kits produce B grade chips tha,t and I have found several refferences on the web sell for $230 KG. So its no where near $1 gram! Who is buying volume at that price? I want to see company info. So in todays market a tree yields $45 to $100 of chips after 6 years .  This kit cost $30 and saplings, care, etc. What is the selling price years from now, when the millions of trees out there are done with the kit? Big old trees that were planted 20 years ago. How much will B grade chips be worth then? Don,t base an investment on facts from the company that makes money selling you the tools. Do your own homework.
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"Good quality agarwood produced from plantation trees treated with CA Kits is currently selling ex-factory at US$1,000/kg in Vietnam and US$5,000/kg in USA (actually retailing via the internet at US$25/5 grams). I could give you the web site address but I don�t want to be accused of blatantly promoting products (even though I have no commercial interest in the web site).
From trees treated at 5 years and harvested at 7 years between 200 � 500 grams of agarwood chips worth US$1 per gram are being harvested by my business associate in Vietnam, hence the value of US$200 � 500 per tree that I mentioned previously (in addition they get about 1 kg of agarwood powder per tree worth about US$30 � 50 that can be used to make oil/incense). "

Another quote from the saleman. No comercial interest directly but indirectly yes. Anyone can set up a web site but do they have sales?The associates in Vietnam runs the web site. What does that tell you? I found this on the web....

"As noted in Barden et al, grading gaharu is a complicated process. This includes evaluating thesize, colour, odour, weight (on scales and in water) and flammability of the wood – butapplication of grade codes (Super A, A, B, C, D, E) varies between buyers in PNG. Asian buyersare mostly based in Vanimo, though several have been reported to buy in Wewak when there isdemand. Most Asian buyers have PNG nationals working for them who are sent as ‘agents’ outto the village communities to assay and purchase gaharu. Prices paid to collectors in East Sepikand Sandaun Provinces are made in PNG Kina (PGK) per gram or kilogram. According toinformation collected from individuals involved in the trade, prices in May 2001 averaged asfollows:A grade = PGK1139.5 (USD341); B grade = PGK791.2 (USD237); C grade = PGK172(USD172); D grade = PGK371.66 (USD111"


B grade = $237 in 2001. Do you think the price is going up with greater market availabilty? Another find "we have ready stock agarwood and sandal wood Price per one Kg Agarwood Grade A USD 950 Grade B USD 650 Grade C USD 280 sandal wood USD 35 Per one kg too" Selling wholesale for $ 650. Ah this ling has the price at $280 kg
http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:GTBbt...lnk&cd=63&gl=th Do your homwwork investors.


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So what I should do is remove one of the branch right? Just cut the entire branch? Would it have any affect on the growth of the tree or would it kill the tree?
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Actually there is only one branch in each of those two pictures - the other is not a branch but is the main stem! biggrin.gif So yes you can remove the branch but don't remove the main stem. So now you will ask me which is the branch. Well the branch is the one that emerges from a leaf axil (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaf if you don't know what is a leaf axil or just look at some of your own plants and you will soon see what I mean). You could remove the entire branch or just cut off its tip to keep it in check (i.e. not let it become dominant). With the latter approach you retain most of the leaves of the branch so that it can continue to photosynthesize and contribute to the growth of the seedlings. Eventually though it will either fall off or be removed by pruning to create the desirable clear bole that we talked about earlier.

But please don't make the mistake of removing all branches - only remove or trim back those which are becoming too dominant.


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QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 16 2008, 11:26 AM)
I think anyone thinking about growing these tress should think about what the market will be like by the time you can harvest. There are 10s of millions of trees that were planted just to get the 10% that will make oil when they are very mature. Now with this kit the market will in a few years be over flowing with oil. Do some research before you jump in the deep end.


Added on June 17, 2008, 10:48 am

Isn,t scentedmountain owned by the same company that sells the kits? The kits produce B grade chips tha,t and I have found several refferences on the web sell for $230 KG. So its no where near $1 gram! Who is buying volume at that price? I want to see company info. So in todays market a tree yields $45 to $100 of chips after 6 years .  This kit cost $30 and saplings, care, etc. What is the selling price years from now, when the millions of trees out there are done with the kit? Big old trees that were planted 20 years ago. How much will B grade chips be worth then? Don,t base an investment on facts from the company that makes money selling you the tools. Do your own homework.


Added on June 17, 2008, 12:06 pm

Another quote from the saleman. No comercial interest directly but indirectly yes. Anyone can set up a web site but do they have sales?The associates in Vietnam runs the web site. What does that tell you? I found this on the web....

"As noted in Barden et al, grading gaharu is a complicated process. This includes evaluating thesize, colour, odour, weight (on scales and in water) and flammability of the wood – butapplication of grade codes (Super A, A, B, C, D, E) varies between buyers in PNG. Asian buyersare mostly based in Vanimo, though several have been reported to buy in Wewak when there isdemand. Most Asian buyers have PNG nationals working for them who are sent as ‘agents’ outto the village communities to assay and purchase gaharu. Prices paid to collectors in East Sepikand Sandaun Provinces are made in PNG Kina (PGK) per gram or kilogram. According toinformation collected from individuals involved in the trade, prices in May 2001 averaged asfollows:A grade = PGK1139.5 (USD341); B grade = PGK791.2 (USD237); C grade = PGK172(USD172); D grade = PGK371.66 (USD111"
B grade = $237 in 2001. Do you think the price is going up with greater market availabilty? Another find  "we have ready stock agarwood and sandal wood Price per one Kg Agarwood Grade A USD 950 Grade B USD 650 Grade C USD 280 sandal wood USD 35 Per one kg too" Selling wholesale for $ 650. Ah this ling has the price at $280 kg
http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:GTBbt...lnk&cd=63&gl=th  Do your homwwork investors.
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Hi Jolly Green Giant,

You don't seem so jolly today? sad.gif I hope that chip on your shoulder is an agarwood chip! (Preferably Grade A) biggrin.gif

Your advice to investors to do their homework is excellent advice and I agree with Barden that grading (and valuation) of agarwood is complicated. I'll be learning my first lessons in this process very soon following the harvest last week of some CA Kit-treated agarwood trees here in Laos.

Regarding your comments on prices:

(a) Who said the CA Kits produce Grade B chips? In fact they produce a range of grades.
(b) I don't think you can safely assume that what is referred to as Grade A or B in one country is the same quality as Grade A or B in another country;
© I think prices should still be going up and will continue to do so for a while because the production of cultivated agarwood from CA Kits is still a tiny fraction of world production;
(d) Yes of course prices do vary according to the quantity being sold and also the level of the transaction in the marketing chain (e.g. prices go up as you proceed from village collector, district trader, provincial trader, exporter, importer, retailer, etc, according to the value added by each intermediary). I understand that mark-ups in the agarwood trade are very large, perhaps because most of the trade is illegal.

As you have suggested, in the future, prices probably will come down due to increased production from plantations using CA Kits. At the same time, as agarwood becomes more affordable for "the masses" demand will increase and new uses will be found for agarwood (e.g. agarwood soap, shampoo, toothpaste, air freshener, herbal medicines, etc) and new markets will be targeted; so this will tend to counter the decline in prices. Since CA Kits are still new in the market it will be a while before supplies of cultivated agarwood increase significantly so in the meantime it is a simple case of "the early bird catches the worm". I know for a fact that while some people like yourself are skeptical and pessimistic there are many others who have already done their homework, recognized the business opportunities and are now hard at work.

By the way, here in Laos I am not in the business of encouraging people to plant agarwood, but rather I am trying to convince the many farmers that have already planted agarwood trees that the best way to turn their "empty" trees into real money is to use CA Kits. Now that I have recently harvested some trees treated with CA Kits my job is going to become much easier!

Best regards,
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Here are some pictures taken last week here in Laos following the harvest of 9 trees treated with CA Kits:

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Actually there is only one branch in each of those two pictures - the other is not a branch but is the main stem!  biggrin.gif  So yes you can remove the branch but don't remove the main stem. So now you will ask me which is the branch. Well the branch is the one that emerges from a leaf axil (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaf if you don't know what is a leaf axil or just look at some of your own plants and you will soon see what I mean).  You could remove the entire branch or just cut off its tip to keep it in check (i.e. not let it become dominant). With the latter approach you retain most of the leaves of the branch so that it can continue to photosynthesize and contribute to the growth of the seedlings. Eventually though it will either fall off or be removed by pruning to create the desirable clear bole that we talked about earlier.

But please don't make the mistake of removing all branches - only remove or trim back those which are becoming too dominant.


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Hi Jolly Green Giant,

You don't seem so jolly today?  sad.gif   I hope that chip on your shoulder is an agarwood chip! (Preferably Grade A)  biggrin.gif

Your advice to investors to do their homework is excellent advice and I agree with Barden that grading (and valuation) of agarwood is complicated. I'll be learning my first lessons in this process very soon following the harvest last week of some CA Kit-treated agarwood trees here in Laos.

Regarding your comments on prices:

(a) Who said the CA Kits produce Grade B chips? In fact they produce a range of grades.
(b) I don't think you can safely assume that what is referred to as Grade A or B in one country is the same quality as Grade A or B in another country;
© I think prices should still be going up and will continue to do so for a while because the production of cultivated agarwood from CA Kits is still a tiny fraction of world production;
(d) Yes of course prices do vary according to the quantity being sold and also the level of the transaction in the marketing chain (e.g. prices go up as you proceed from village collector, district trader, provincial trader, exporter, importer, retailer, etc, according to the value added by each intermediary). I understand that mark-ups in the agarwood trade are very large, perhaps because most of the trade is illegal.

As you have suggested, in the future, prices probably will come down due to increased production from plantations using CA Kits. At the same time, as agarwood becomes more affordable for "the masses" demand will increase and new uses will be found for agarwood (e.g. agarwood soap, shampoo, toothpaste, air freshener, herbal medicines, etc) and new markets will be targeted; so this will tend to counter the decline in prices. Since CA Kits are still new in the market it will be a while before supplies of cultivated agarwood increase significantly so in the meantime it is a simple case of "the early bird catches the worm". I know for a fact that while some people like yourself are skeptical and pessimistic there are many others who have already done their homework, recognized the business opportunities and are now hard at work.

By the way, here in Laos I am not in the business of encouraging people to plant agarwood, but rather I am trying to convince the many farmers that have already planted agarwood trees that the best way to turn their "empty" trees into real money is to use CA Kits. Now that I have recently harvested some trees treated with CA Kits my job is going to become much easier!

Best regards,
HF.
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You have a lot of opinion but very little facts. A The CA kit site saids " med-high" with an avr of 225 gms not the 200-500 you claim. The grading system is internation al and why are claiming it is not? Why does the ca site claim for 10-50 gms of grade A and not grade the the rest?I have a quote from someone who claims to be a researcher who saids most of the chips are grade C ""Hmmm... you can say that I am actually quite familiar with this topic because I am involved in a research related to gaharu. Just for your information, the price of the gaharu itself depends solely in the grade of the resin and cultivated gaharu is known to have a grade of around "C" which does not really fetch a good price in the market. There are still alot of grey area in this trade so you can say that there are risk involved" B there are only a couple of main countrys that buy and buying hubs why are you trying to say the grading system varuies? Why don,t you say exactly what grade and how much on average the kits produce. These claims by the way from your site say the ttrees are 6-9 year old and not as who like to keep saying age healty 3-4-5 year old trees. C http://www.biotrop.org/prd.php?act=proddet&id=8 this is the current market plus maybe double for smuggling. http://www.enfleurage.com/ac-agarwood-2.html Massive amounts of trees have been planted only to get the harvest that occurs by way of nature.Doesnt Lao have 10 million trees alone? In fact the truth is even with out the kits there are too many trees planted and the price has been falling. Also what you said about the Kits being a tiny fraction is not true. Tens of thousands of kit have been used and sales are increasing. The kit is already doing about 1/8 of world producion.D prices, value chain. You say the kits make chips worth $1 gram to the grower. Then you must know what grade to make that statement, what is it. I provided some links to wholesale prices for different grades what can you show us? A link to your partners web site. What is your dirty little secret.... I know, the price is falling and fast. You hope there will be a market for shampoo etc. It will have to be very cheap before that happens. I find it strange that someone who is in the business selling kits can not offer or will not offer links to buyers prices or accounting to what the real price is.Learning your first lesson? Hard to believe you are in this business and don,t even really know the price of the product. In fact the average tree in THIS market will only get $100 and production is increasing. Of course as long as you sell kits you are making money, $30 each is that right? Tell us have you offered any buy back scemes like you said you do? if so for how much? Ya right vNot in the business of incouraging people tp plant agarwood hahaha I have read many of your post here and on other forums where you do just that, in fact on your own web site you offer seeds, your a real joker arn,t you. You talk alot but only ever offer opinion, business men want facts, something you would rather we did not know.So put up or shut up. No more of your smooth salesman jive. Show us FACTS FACTS


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QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 7 2008, 08:27 PM)
Hi Sham903n,
Yes I estimate conservatively US$200 per tree. The assumptions on which this figure are based are that an agarwood tree of 10 - 14cm DBH (diameter at breast height - 137 cm from the ground) is treated with a CA Kit and yields one year later a minimum of 200 grams of good quality agarwood chips which are currently selling at  not less than US$1,000/kg at wholesale price in the country of production. As you can see from www.scentedmountain.com the retail price in a consuming country can be much higher. Actually yields of up to 500 grams of good quality agarwood chips per tree (of above size) have been harvested. Besides the good quality agarwood chips, there will also be a kilogram of lower quality agarwood powder (produced when cleaning the chips) worth about US$30 - 50/kg that can be used to make incense or for oil extraction. Hence I consider the US$200/tree is a conservative figure.
I reckon that's nearly 1,250 trees per hectare. I believe around 800 - 850/hectare would be better. Anyhow, you can still produce agarwood at the higher tree density but just remember to give Healthy Business a call when your trees are big enough  wink.gif this will probably be at around 5-years-of-age (provided you prune them to just one main stem, otherwise a multi-stem tree will take 1 - 3 years longer for the individual stems to reach the right diameter for treatment).


Added on June 7, 2008, 8:30 pm

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us$1,000 WOW thats amazing! amazing bs that is. The real price is $250 kg or $56, C grade for oil and incence takes 15 kg to produce $25 oil and is expensive to distill. $30 for the kit. 5 year old tree that is care for watered, pruned, fertilized, guarded, fenced, labor intensive harvest and WOW maybe $50 bucks. Oh ya I heard 1 in 10 trees dies from the treatment and in plantation its not unusual to have to replace 50%.What will the price be next year?

HOHOHO

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QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 18 2008, 02:46 PM)
You have a lot of opinion but very little facts. What is your dirty little secret....  your a real joker arn,t you. You talk alot but only ever offer opinion, So put up or shut up. No more of your smooth salesman jive. Show us FACTS FACTS      HOHOHO
Hi Jolly Green Giant,

I would be grateful if you could be a little more civil, thank you. smile.gif

Regarding agarwood grades, according to the report "HEART OF THE MATTER: AGARWOOD USE AND TRADE AND CITES IMPLEMENTATION FOR AQUILARIA MALACCENSIS" by Barden et al, 2000 (I assume this is the same Barden report that you quoted earlier; it can be downloaded here: http://www.trafficj.org/publication/00_hea...er_agarwood.pdf ):

Agarwood "is classified according to various grading systems that differ according to the product in trade and country in which trade is taking place. The grade (and hence value) of agarwood and agarwood derivatives such as oil is determined by a complex set of factors including: country of origin; fragrance strength and longevity; wood density; product purity; resin content; colour; and size of the form traded."

Of course, it is possible that since the report was written that international grades have been developed, in which case perhaps you could kindly provide us with further information or a link to the international grades for agarwood?

Also please can you provide evidence to support your claims (opinions?) that CA Kits account for 1/8 of world agarwood production and that agarwood prices are already falling?

Could you also tell us what is your interest in agarwood? Perhaps if we know this, then we may understand why you are trying so hard to discredit CA Kits?

Have a nice day! smile.gif

Best regards,
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Vietnam market http://www.mathaba.net/rss/?x=564413 It works out to $5000 -$15,000 ( best senario ) per HA a year. ha = 850 trees =$15,000 Div 850 =$17 x 5 years growth = $85 a tree. Kit $30, maintance etc....... WOW soon they can retire. now they growing 3x as many! There must be a better investment then a tree that may or may not give you a return per year of $8. In fact don,t most fruit trees have a better rate of return and you don,t have to kill them, Rubber , many more.

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QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 10:59 AM)
Vietnam market    http://www.mathaba.net/rss/?x=564413  It works out to $5000 -$15,000 ( best senario ) per HA a year. ha = 850 trees =$15,000 Div 850 =$17 x 5 years growth = $85 a tree. Kit $30, maintance etc....... WOW soon they can retire. now they growing 3x as many! There must be a better investment  then a tree that may or may not give you a return per year of $8. In fact don,t most fruit trees have a better rate of return and you don,t have to kill them, Rubber , many more.

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Hi Jolly Green Giant,

Whoops, please be careful not to shoot yourself in your own foot. biggrin.gif The link you provided says that "growers can earn a profit of between 100-300 million per ha of do tram (agarwood) tree per year".

"Profit" means the costs of growing, resin inducement, etc, have already been accounted for! smile.gif

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QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 19 2008, 11:44 AM)
Hi Jolly Green Giant,

I would be grateful if you could be a little more civil, thank you.  smile.gif

Regarding agarwood grades, according to the report "HEART OF THE MATTER: AGARWOOD USE AND TRADE AND CITES IMPLEMENTATION FOR AQUILARIA MALACCENSIS" by Barden et al, 2000 (I assume this is the same Barden report that you quoted earlier; it can be downloaded here: http://www.trafficj.org/publication/00_hea...er_agarwood.pdf ):

Agarwood "is classified according to various grading systems that differ according to the product in trade and country in which trade is taking place. The grade (and hence value) of agarwood and agarwood derivatives such as oil is determined by a complex set of factors including: country of origin; fragrance strength and longevity; wood density; product purity; resin content; colour; and size of the form traded."

Of course, it is possible that since the report was written that international grades have been developed, in which case perhaps you could kindly provide us with further information or a link to the international grades for agarwood?

Also please can you provide evidence to support your claims (opinions?) that CA Kits account for 1/8 of world agarwood production and that agarwood prices are already falling?

Could you also tell us what is your interest in agarwood? Perhaps if we know this, then we may understand why you are trying so hard to discredit CA Kits? 

Have a nice day!  smile.gif  

Best regards,
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Sorry if i,m rubbing salt into your wounds buddy. I see you are still avoiding the question. What grade does the kit produce? You state on your own site the value is $1,000 kg ( arn,t you afraid of getting sued? oh ya its Lao ) so what grade is it? Have you done a buyback offer and for how much? You said you do. I have been told B & C and have provided many links to the value. What have you shown us? Nothing but a link to your kit sellers web site claiming high value. Why are avoiding the question? Sure different countrys have different names for the grades but the price is the same for what ever they call it. If you like, give the grade of your product in what ever country you like. This is a farm product not a wild one, the grade and results are consistant.What grade is Med-High that is worth $1,000 kg? You can confirm 1/8 yourself by stating the number of kits that the company have sold. Lets see if you will. By the way I have it from your company. Discredit the kits? Have I said anything about the kits? You mean YOU don,t you. You made claims, I discredited them. You can correct me with facts if you can, but we both know you can,t or you would. Lets have some facts, not so happy farmers.

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Hi Jolly Green Giant,

Whoops, please be careful not to shoot yourself in your own foot.    biggrin.gif    The link you provided says that "growers can earn a profit of between 100-300 million per ha of do tram (agarwood) tree per year". 

"Profit" means the costs of growing, resin inducement, etc, have already been accounted for!   smile.gif

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WOW !!! your right! so the value of thr trees is $85. hahahahah. What happened to 200- 500 grams @ $1,000 kg old boy. Doesnt quite fit does it. Thats the best case too! it could only be $28. Thanks for agreeing


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Sorry if i,m rubbing salt into your wounds buddy. I see you are still avoiding the question. What grade does the kit produce? You state on your own site the value is $1,000 kg ( arn,t you afraid of getting sued? oh ya its Lao ) so what grade is it? Have you done a buyback offer and for how much? You said you do.  I have been told B & C and have provided many links to the value. What have you shown us? Nothing but a link to your  kit sellers web site claiming high value.  Why are avoiding the question? Sure different countrys have different names for the grades but the price is the same for what ever they call it.  If you like, give the grade of your product in what ever country you like. This is a farm product not a wild one, the grade and results are consistant.What grade is Med-High that is worth $1,000 kg?  You can confirm 1/8 yourself by stating the number of kits that the company have  sold. Lets see if you will. By the way I have it from your company. Discredit the kits? Have I said anything about the kits? You mean YOU don,t you.  You made claims, I discredited them. You can correct me with facts if you can, but we both know you can,t or you would. Lets have some facts, not so happy farmers.

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WOW  !!! your right! so the value of thr trees is $85. hahahahah. What happened to 200- 500 grams  @ $1,000 kg old boy. Doesnt quite fit does it. Thats the best case too! it could only be $28. Thanks for agreeing
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"The link you provided says that "growers can earn a profit of between 100-300 million per ha of do tram (agarwood) tree per year"." I noted you modified the quote so folks would thats $s when in fact its VND @ about 17,000 to 1. If they plant more then 850 a ha then the value per plant could be even lower hmmm. WOW Could be that the trees are only worth $20 - $60 bucks after all that work and years of waiting. Not a very good return is it. Happy I see you have read the question again and still will not say what grade the kit produces. Your silence tells us the truth.


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Hi Jolly Green Giant,

QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM)
Sorry if i,m rubbing salt into your wounds buddy.
Thanks but there is no need to apologise. What wounds are you talking about?

QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM)
I see you are still avoiding the question. What grade does the kit produce? You state on your own site the value is $1,000 kg ( arn,t you afraid of getting sued? oh ya its Lao ) so what grade is it?
No I am not avoiding the question. I already stated long ago in this thread that the CA Kits produce good quality agarwood chips worth US$1,000/kg. That is a fact and is based on reliable information from someone I trust, and not on my own personal experience. Perhaps you want me to interpret "good quality" in terms of your grading system (A, B, C, etc) but as I explained earlier what I might call A and what you might call A may be entirely different. I also told you that the CA Kit will produce a range of grades (from high to low - black wood to white wood). Actually I just received some information yesterday from Vietnam giving a breakdown of the amounts of 9 different grades in a recently harvested tree and the results are considered to be spectacular but I am not allowed to publish this information yet.

QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM)
Have you done a buyback offer and for how much? You said you do. 
Yes we have offered to make buyback agreements with potential customers of CA Kits, but so far only one customer has entered such an agreement with us. Last week, we bought back the first trees we treated/harvested, though this was not part of any original agreement with the plantation owner.

Regarding how much we offer to buy back trees for, I have no reason to share this information with you. Obviously, we will want to offer a relatively low price to give us a good profit but not so low that the seller is not satisfied. The price will also depend on the number of trees, quality, size, location, etc. We tell the tree owner that he/she may get a better price selling to another buyer and they are free to do so if they wish. They may even negotiate a better price with us at the time of sale. Our buyback price is only intended to provide confidence for the CA Kit buyer; i.e. they can be sure that they will be able to sell the tree and make a profit.

QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM)
Sure different countrys have different names for the grades but the price is the same for what ever they call it.  If you like, give the grade of your product in what ever country you like. This is a farm product not a wild one, the grade and results are consistant. What grade is Med-High that is worth $1,000 kg? 
"The price is the same for whatever they call it"??? I am sorry I don't understand what you mean. But there's no need to explain. Anyhow, I think you are now admitting that there are no international grades, right?

Whether "farm product" or "wild product", it is still a biological product and every single tree is different. The grades and results are not as consistent as you suggest (for example I already mentioned a yield range of 200 - 500 grams)

QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM)
You can confirm 1/8 yourself by stating the number of kits that the company have  sold. Lets see if you will. By the way I have it from your company.
No I cannot confirm this myself. I do not know how many CA Kits have been sold, applied and treated-trees harvested but I know it is very small because the kits have not been in the market very long and it takes a year to get the agarwood from the treated trees. That is why I do not believe your suggestion that CA Kits have already caused prices to fall.

QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM)
You made claims, I discredited them.
As far as I know, despite your not-very-jolly attempts, you have not discredited anything I have said.

QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM)

WOW  !!! your right! so the value of thr trees is $85. hahahahah. What happened to 200- 500 grams  @ $1,000 kg old boy. Doesnt quite fit does it. Thats the best case too! it could only be $28. Thanks for agreeing
Yes I am right and I am sorry to say you are wrong again - this time you seem to be confusing "profit" and "value". We can't know the value of the tree (i.e. it's selling price) from the information provided in the article.

QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM)

"The link you provided says that "growers can earn a profit of between 100-300 million per ha of do tram (agarwood) tree per year"." I noted you modified the quote so folks would thats $s when in fact its VND @ about 17,000 to 1. 
No, you are mistaken, the web site did not allow me to copy and paste and I simply forgot to write "VND". I think most of the intelligent people following our discussion know that "100-300 million" meant VND not USD.

QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM)

WOW Could be that the trees are only worth $20 - $60 bucks after all that work and years of waiting. Not a very good return is it.
You are shooting yourself in your own foot again (confusing value and profit). I suggest you remain anonymous in order not to embarrass yourself in public.

QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 12:16 PM)

Happy I see you have read the question again and still will not say what grade the kit produces. Your silence tells us the truth.
I think I have answered this question already, but if you are not satisfied with my answers, then so be it.

Now please forgive me but I find your posts rather puerile and I do not have time to keep correcting your mistakes, so I would like to end this dialogue here. I am sure you will want to take some parting shots at me, so please go ahead and do whatever makes you happy and I will do the same. smile.gif

Goodbye and best regards,
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"Ha Noi (VNA) – The Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development plans to zone off 30,000 ha for growing fragrant do tram (aquilaria crassna) trees, which produce resinous heartwood, a highly valuable product commonly used in the pharmaceutical and cosmetic industries.

The Ministry will also transfer the technology for essential oil refining to farmers under a plan set till 2010.

At a symposium on the development of do tram tree held in Ha Noi on September 17, experts estimated that growers can earn a profit of between 100-300 million VND per ha of do tram tree a year.

Currently, Viet Nam has more than 10,000 ha of do tram trees, mostly in private farms. "

Why did you change the quote happy? 3 X to be planted! What will that do to the market? The CA kit site says a 6-9 year old tree ( 10cm dia ) will produce and average of 225 gms med-high chips. Your site says 5 year tree and you have stated at times 3 year old tree and up to 500 grams.You say the grade varies, break that down for us in percent of what grade. Provide us with names of companies that are buying this product at $1,000 kg. Tens of thousands of kits sold and you can,t provide any buyers or even state what the grade is LOL. You said in Vn they sell this for $1,000 kg and say so on your site but do not say what grade they sold it as? Why is that? You say you will buy back trees at a agreed price but have you? Has any one? I heard in Thailand they can,t sell the kit because of patent infringment, yet thailand remains one of the largest producers of plantation product, how is that? Cites must be allowing them export permits. Perhaps plantation owners should shop around toward other methods that don,t cost as much as the kits. I,m sure this will get a response from you haha. I have read that there are other non-patent methods that produce chips in almost the same volume as the kit. If the kit costs 30- 60% of the profit then maybe the other methods are cheaper and just as viable. I guess thats why you don,t want the growers to know the real value of the chips produced by the kit because then you would shoot yourself in the foot.

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Added on June 19, 2008, 4:19 pm
QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 19 2008, 03:06 PM)
Hi Jolly Green Giant,
Thanks but there is no need to apologise. What wounds are you talking about?
No I am not avoiding the question. I already stated long ago in this thread that the CA Kits produce good quality agarwood chips worth US$1,000/kg. That is a fact and is based on reliable information from someone I trust, and not on my own personal experience. Perhaps you want me to interpret "good quality" in terms of your grading system (A, B, C, etc) but as I explained earlier what I might call A and what you might call A may be entirely different. I also told you that the CA Kit will produce a range of grades (from high to low - black wood to white wood). Actually I just received some information yesterday from Vietnam giving a breakdown of the amounts of 9 different grades in a recently harvested tree and the results are considered to be spectacular but I am not allowed to publish this information yet. 
Yes we have offered to make buyback agreements with potential customers of CA Kits, but so far only one customer has entered such an agreement with us. Last week, we bought back the first trees we treated/harvested, though this was not part of any original agreement with the plantation owner.

Regarding how much we offer to buy back trees for, I have no reason to share this information with you. Obviously, we will want to offer a relatively low price to give us a good profit but not so low that the seller is not satisfied. The price will also depend on the number of trees, quality, size, location, etc. We tell the tree owner that he/she may get a better price selling to another buyer and they are free to do so if they wish. They may even negotiate a better price with us at the time of sale. Our buyback price is only intended to provide confidence for the CA Kit buyer; i.e. they can be sure that they will be able to sell the tree and make a profit.  
"The price is the same for whatever they call it"??? I am sorry I don't understand what you mean. But there's no need to explain. Anyhow, I think you are now admitting that there are no international grades, right? 

Whether "farm product" or "wild product", it is still a biological product and every single tree is different. The grades and results are not as consistent as you suggest (for example I already mentioned a yield range of 200 - 500 grams)
No I cannot confirm this myself. I do not know how many CA Kits have been sold, applied and treated-trees harvested but I know it is very small because the kits have not been in the market very long and it takes a year to get the agarwood from the treated trees.  That is why I do not believe your suggestion that CA Kits have already caused prices to fall.
As far as I know, despite your not-very-jolly attempts, you have not discredited anything I have said.
Yes I am right and I am sorry to say you are wrong again - this time you seem to be confusing "profit" and "value". We can't know the value of the tree (i.e. it's selling price) from the information provided in the article.
No, you are mistaken, the web site did not allow me to copy and paste and I simply forgot to write "VND". I think most of the intelligent people following our discussion know that "100-300 million" meant VND not USD. 
You are shooting yourself in your own foot again (confusing value and profit). I suggest you remain anonymous in order not to embarrass yourself in public.
I think I have answered this question already, but if you are not satisfied with my answers, then so be it.

Now please forgive me but I find your posts rather puerile and I do not have time to keep correcting your mistakes, so I would like to end this dialogue here. I am sure you will want to take some parting shots at me, so please go ahead and do whatever makes you happy and I will do the same.   smile.gif

Goodbye and best regards,
HF.
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Just like I said, only OPINION and no facts. This from someone who makes a lot of cash from selling the kits.The ca site has no problem stating A grade how can they do that if this is so varied?! 3 years of using the kit in VN and ten years of testing and no one can say what grade it makes LOLOLLOL .Do you think any one really believes that. Can,t publish the finding? hahhah I can see that, its better that no one knows how BAD the results are! if they were good why would it be a secret?Yes 9 grades is a system in use so tell what grades and how much the kit makes? You already said $1,000 kg so what grade is that? You bought back trees but of course thats also a secret because then every one will want to LOL. Like at this point you are believeable. Still no list of buyers? Can,t tell from the article? it was very clear and I had no problem pasteing it either. If you can do the math then you can see what the value is per tree. Too much for you? Shall i explain again. No need really is there. The readers understand you do not want to admit the real value of the trees. i can see why you would like to end the little chat. Every one of your posts shows you only offer opinion and suggestion but no real facts. In fact you have tried to twist the truth and refused to answer basic questions.So you say folks should buy kits from you and plant trees because you heard from somebody. Your kidding right?

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Added on June 19, 2008, 4:45 pm
QUOTE(jollygreengiant @ Jun 19 2008, 11:59 AM)
Vietnam market    http://www.mathaba.net/rss/?x=564413  It works out to $5000 -$15,000 ( best senario ) per HA a year. ha = 850 trees =$15,000 Div 850 =$17 x 5 years growth = $85 a tree. Kit $30, maintance etc....... WOW soon they can retire. now they growing 3x as many! There must be a better investment  then a tree that may or may not give you a return per year of $8. In fact don,t most fruit trees have a better rate of return and you don,t have to kill them, Rubber , many more.

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I will try to exlain this to you like a 6 year old so you understand.

100,000,000 VDN = around $5,000 usd so a farmer can expect a profit of $5,000 usd per ha per year.

850 trees per ha = $5,000 Div 850 trees = $6 per tree.( if they plant more then this then its less $ per tree )

5 years of growth X $6 = $30 ( this could be 6-9 years of waiting but same rate per year )

A 5 year old tree has a profit to the farmer of $30.


Or according to happy 30 gms @ $1,000 ? ( or is it 200 gms @ $150 kg. wasnt this price $250 a couple of years ago? ) LOL.

But remember don,t tell anyone the facts
just give them hype and rumors of riches.
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Added on June 19, 2008, 5:22 pmhttp://www.cropwatch.org/agardistil.htm

This is interesting. I think claims were made of chips containing 30% oil. Get the facts


Added on June 19, 2008, 5:50 pm"The process of agar deposits is not fully understood. A Dutch paper from 1933 (J. P. Schuitemaker, "Het garoehout van West Boreno" Boschbouwkundig Tijdschrift Tectona Uitgave der Vereeniging van Hoogere Ambtenaren bij het Boschwezen in Nederlands Oost-Indi 26:851-892) reported the occurrence of agarwood in Borneo and discussed many different types of resin produced in trees. Most of the local people at the time believed that agarwood formed from mysterious ways and was associated with the spirit world. The author stated that "the mysterious occurrence of the `holy` wood is connected to supernatural powers" and that agarwood was referred to as "wood of the gods." The author also noted that "we cannot exclude the possibility of a pathological occurrence of which the cause was unknown," that "perfect trees never have agarwood," and that agarwood "is formed around wounded or rotting parts of the trunk." The author also suggested that salt put into holes in trees might promote resin. The paper also stated that if the agarwood was infectious, maybe it would be possible to induce agarwood formation by infecting the trunk artificially by putting fresh cut agarwood into the stem."

This is interesting. 1933, I wonder if they took out a patent?



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huh? gaharu wood is not a tree, it is the barks of the tree of some species i fortgot the name that have been infected by a type of fungus which creates a fragrant resin that is worth money... isn't it? correct me if i am wrong
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QUOTE(looqsonline @ Jun 19 2008, 09:42 PM)
huh? gaharu wood is not a tree, it is the barks of the tree of some species i fortgot the name that have been infected by a type of fungus which creates a fragrant resin that is worth money... isn't it? correct me if i am wrong
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Yes it is a tree......Agarwood. Yes it is worth money. How ever there is not much to made growing this tree unless you started 6 years ago and most who are doing well started 15 years ago.


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Vietnam market    http://www.mathaba.net/rss/?x=564413  It works out to $5000 -$15,000 ( best senario ) per HA a year. ha = 850 trees =$15,000 Div 850 =$17 x 5 years growth = $85 a tree. Kit $30, maintance etc....... WOW soon they can retire. now they growing 3x as many! There must be a better investment  then a tree that may or may not give you a return per year of $8. In fact don,t most fruit trees have a better rate of return and you don,t have to kill them, Rubber , many more.

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Its interesting to note that VN has 10,000 ha already planted in agarwood. At 850 trees per ha that works out to 8.5 million trees ( this number to triple starting as of last year ). We know that the average age for a tree to reach 10cm is 7 1/2 years. The average growth rate for this tree in Dia is 1.30 cm per year. We know that these plantations were started about 10 years ago with yearly increases in planting.We know that kit use started 2 1/2 years ago just as the first trees reached 10 cm. I think we can guesstimate that on a rolling basis at the start ( 2 1/2 years ago ) 20,000 kits were used. Last year 40,000 and on track this year for 100,000. Research has shown that for the market price to remain stable 200,000 trees per year are harvested, ( granted these trees were wild and most likely twice the size and with illegal smuggling we can assume the real global market is of plantation trees 800,000 ). The kits have already displaced 1/8 of the market and the more kits that are sold the lower the market price for agarwood will be. At some point they will be forced to drop the price of the kits just to sell them. Standard supply and demand. Dreams of creating new markets are years away and main stream manufacturers want inexpensive materials. Dreams of getting fantastic riches by using this product are created by the kit sellers to make them rich. Secret reports of amazing results to wet your appitite, rumors from trusted friends reported as fact that tons of cash is just waiting for you to take delivery.Is it not clear to anyone reading this that if the kit produces a good product they would be advertizing the fact from the highest hills?Your told 200 -500 gms @ $1,000 per kg but its impossible to state what grade that is? Do you see the scam.Your told 3-4-5 year old trees can produce but you are not told that the average tree will not be ready for 7 1/2 years. Your told 200- 500 gms but reported data claims 200 - 250 grams average. Your told they will buy back the trees from you but claim condtitions are secret.Why not if the return is so good come out and make a clear statement that they will buy the trees back for say 10 % less of the $1,000 kg they claim? I know a farmer in lao who would be very happy to sign a contact like that. Its not going to happen though because the plain fact is that the kit does not produce like the seller claims and is ripping off poor farmers who don,t know any better. Sad really that what was supposed to be something that would help end poverty of the poorest of the poor is being used by big business as a tool to make the rich richer.

HOHOHO


Added on June 21, 2008, 3:34 pmRubber latex is extracted from Rubber trees. The economic life period of rubber trees in plantations is around 32 years – 7 years of immature phase and about 25 years of productive phase.

The soil requirement of the plant is generally well-drained weathered soil consisting of laterite, lateritic types, sedimentary types, nonlateritic red or alluvial soils.

The climatic conditions for optimum growth of Rubber tree consist of (a) Rainfall of around 250 cm evenly distributed without any marked dry season and with at least 100 rainy days per annum (b) Temperature range of about 20oC to 34oC with a monthly mean of 25 to 28oC © High atmospheric humidity of around 80% (d) Bright sunshine amounting to about 2000 hours per annum at the rate of 6 hours per day throughout the year and (e) Absence of strong winds.

Many high yielding clones have been developed for Rubber plantation. These clones yield more than 1,500 Kilogrammes of dry Rubber per hectare per annum, when grown in good conditions
At 9 rm kg =13.500 Rm ha per year. Thats $4,100 usd per ha. If the Vn farmers are $5,000 per ha it would seem better until you realize that rubber produces for 25 years and agarwood is a one year crop. In fact if you think about it rubber returns are about 5X better!I heard from a trusted friend close to the kit sellers in VN that the grade the kit makes is B & C. The wholesale price to the farmer is if your lucky and the price does not keep falling $230 kg. The only ones getting $1,000 kg for this grade are brokers in the major selling hubs who are selling to arabs etc and not in the volume a farmer needs to sell at.There is no way its a good idea to start planting these trees. Look around for a better investment and don,t be fooled by con men.

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QUOTE(Happy Farmer @ Jun 7 2008, 01:56 PM)
Hi Growproject,

So please tell us if you have researched the CA Kit? If you visit www.scentedmountain.com you can see good quality chips produced from CA Kits selling for nice prices. I believe only CA Kits can produce good quality chips; I agree that all the other techniques are only good for making oil.


Added on June 7, 2008, 2:29 pm

Not sure why you want to do testing when others have already done the testing for you! If I was a Malaysian tax payer I would be complaining about my government wasting my taxes doing unnecessary research!  biggrin.gif  Also all the other techniques (i.e. other than CA Kits) are illegal.

The CA Kits are not expensive if you consider the high profits that can be made from applying them to agarwood trees.  Spend US$30 on a kit and get back at least $200 one year later!  smile.gif
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Happy Farmer hi,

We didn't do any research on CA kit since it's been done on trial basis by several government based institution to our wild Aq Malaccensis trees. The results were taken early this year and i believe it's not appropriate for me to discuss about the results. thumbup.gif

++ we did contact Healthy Business @ Pandan, Kl last year regarding CA kit

+++ I don't think that doing testing are unnecessary and although it comes with a certain cost, it's not a waste. icon_idea.gif

Good to share some info bout your product dude... rclxm9.gif


Added on June 22, 2008, 11:58 am
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We researchers are a bunch of curious people. Did you ever consider that technique that might work for agarwood tree in Laos might not work in Malaysia? We have our own species of agarwood, different microclimate, soil properties, rainfall and alot of other different factors. Not to mention that we need proof/result to backup our claim. Until some research is done on this in Malaysia, we cannot draw any conclusion or make any claim.
I totally agree with this statement. nod.gif


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But what do you mean by pruning?



Added on June 8, 2008, 12:34 pm

Eehsitna, you still haven't explained the thinning process to me sad.gif

I'm glad there's a few experts like Happy Farmer, Eehsitna, Growproject etc in this thread. Hopefully they could share more on their knowledge/expertise to us. I really appreciate your contribution to this thread. Thanks  smile.gif

Hei, when are we going to conduct a meeting? I'm still waiting for you Eehsitna. Hahaha  biggrin.gif
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Hi amirbashah,
still worried about the pruning stuff? Dude stop by again at our place and i'll be happy to help u out bro biggrin.gif

Yeah me too eetsitna...
and i would like to suggest that we all should meet up, a TT session or some sort of gathering would be great thumbup.gif


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wow.. this thread has been hotter than ever... especially with the argumentative posts between jollygreengiant & happy farmer.. i find it interesting and quite enjoyable... both have their own facts and opinions that we all could take into consideration, especially for those who wants to invest in the cultivated agarwood industry. this would be a great picture of the industry's scenario today.

but all i can say is we industrialist have plenty of options regarding this matter. and i'm not worried about the future market. since the grading and pricing is very subjective, and it gets very complicated, it's all about how good we market our product. icon_idea.gif

just my 2 cents... cheers bro! whistling.gif


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wat kind of specie ?
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QUOTE(growproject @ Jun 22 2008, 01:54 PM)
wow.. this thread has been hotter than ever... especially with the argumentative posts between jollygreengiant & happy farmer.. i find it interesting and quite enjoyable... both have their own facts and opinions that we all could take into consideration, especially for those who wants to invest in the cultivated agarwood industry. this would be a great picture of the industry's scenario today.

but all i can say is we industrialist have plenty of options regarding this matter. and i'm not worried about the future market. since the grading and pricing is very subjective, and it gets very complicated, it's all about how good we market our product.  icon_idea.gif

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Subjective like when you take your chips to market and they are subjected to supply and demand. I see you are another conponent of the "secret results" camp. What a great way to sell kits, don,t tell the public what they do. By the way I also know what the kits can do from the company them selves. Why don,t you just ask them, and then you will know that the grade is B & C. Take a chip to market and they will tell you the chip is B & C and what the price is. There is no confusion in the grading except the one the seller would like to create to cover up the fact that the kits & agarwood make less as an investment, then many other crops. Didn,t you have some posts before also trying to sell people seeds, etc. One could say you also benifit from selling this idea. I guess as long as you make money its alright to tell a little lie.

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QUOTE(growproject @ Jun 3 2008, 11:08 PM)
Contract Farming

We offer a Repurchasing Contract to anybody who are interested in developing an Agarwood Plantation.

Apart from that we offer:
1. Aquilaria saplings (Sub integra, Crassna & Malaccensis)
2. Plantation Management
3. Advisory
4. Inoculants & Inoculating Services
5. Distillation Services
6. Pure Agarwood Oil

Please contact Mr. Arfan @ 016-3929161 for further info and site visit.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Ah yes here it is. #4 inoculant services. No doubt you are the local kit seller and make money by pushing this bad investment. Of course you have to say the grades vary and the price is fantastic! Another sales man pushing his product. Why don,t you offer some links to facts in stead of rumors.

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post Jun 23 2008, 03:26 PM


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It is good to know that this thread is getting popular lately!!! biggrin.gif Anyway, I will be in KL on the 1st to 2nd of July. So anyone wants to organize a small get together? tongue.gif
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post Jun 24 2008, 12:04 AM


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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Jun 23 2008, 03:26 PM)
It is good to know that this thread is getting popular lately!!! biggrin.gif Anyway, I will be in KL on the 1st to 2nd of July. So anyone wants to organize a small get together? tongue.gif
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can i joint it. i intend to invest also lo icon_idea.gif i stay in cheras. my phone is 012 6827607 . tongue.gif
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post Jun 24 2008, 08:11 AM


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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Jun 23 2008, 03:26 PM)
It is good to know that this thread is getting popular lately!!! biggrin.gif Anyway, I will be in KL on the 1st to 2nd of July. So anyone wants to organize a small get together? tongue.gif
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count me in dude smile.gif, would love to meet agarwood farmers biggrin.gif
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post Jun 24 2008, 10:54 AM


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We need someone in KL to organize this. Please arrange a place that is easy for a non-KL guy like me to go. XD I will suggest somewhere around Bukit Bintang area on the 29th. Ooo do keep it in mind that we are all sitting together to exchange information and discuss about gaharu. Please restraint yourself from promoting your service or product. biggrin.gif Cheers!!! biggrin.gif

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post Jun 24 2008, 08:18 PM


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eehtsitna
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post Jun 27 2008, 09:39 AM


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Since no one is going to take up the job of organizing the gathering, I would suggest something like this;

Venue: Starbuck Coffee, Berjaya Time Square
Time: 1400
Date: 29/06/2008
Attendance:
1. eehtsitna
2. neilson1312
3. ammar
4. Sham903n
5. amirbashah

The reason that I suggested that place is that I am familiar with the area. Starbuck should be cosy enough for everyone to sit down and chat about agarwood. You have to pay for your own drink though since we dont have a sponsor. tongue.gif

For anyone who is interested in the gathering, please pm me your contact number so that I can add you into the list and inform you of any changes to the plan.

See you guys later! biggrin.gif

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post Jun 27 2008, 10:16 PM


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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Jun 27 2008, 09:39 AM)
Since no one is going to take up the job of organizing the gathering, I would suggest something like this;

Venue: Starbuck Coffee, Berjaya Time Square
Time: 1400
Attendance:
1. eehtsitna
2. neilson1312
3. ammar
4. Sham903n

The reason that I suggested that place is that I am familiar with the area. Starbuck should be cosy enough for everyone to sit down and chat about agarwood. You have to pay for your own drink though since we dont have a sponsor. tongue.gif

For anyone who is interested in the gathering, please pm me your contact number so that I can add you into the list and inform you of any changes to the plan.

See you guys later! biggrin.gif
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Please make it on weekends sad.gif I have to go to work that day.......
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post Jun 28 2008, 11:42 AM


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There isnt any changes to date. I am flying over this evening. See you guys tomorrow then! biggrin.gif
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post Jun 29 2008, 06:06 PM


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Just got back from the meeting but unfortunately only a few guys came. Eehsitna, Neilson and myself. What happen to you guys who didn't come?
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post Jun 29 2008, 07:21 PM


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so hows your meeting?
any update? my family is doing plantation but we only plant rubber and palm oil trees.


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QUOTE(amirbashah @ Jun 29 2008, 06:06 PM)
Just got back from the meeting but unfortunately only a few guys came. Eehsitna, Neilson and myself. What happen to you guys who didn't come?
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shoot, i didnt logged in to check the updates. maybe next time then, any good infos on the meeting?

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post Jul 1 2008, 08:51 PM


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man... i missed the gathering... i just got back... rugi2... cry.gif
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post Jul 3 2008, 11:42 AM


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oitt amir..tak gi parlimen ka..hehe
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QUOTE(mensa @ Jul 3 2008, 11:42 AM)
oitt amir..tak gi parlimen ka..hehe
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Ni Daniel ke?

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