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 Oil & Gas Careers V13 - Upstream & Downstream, 2023 is a busy year for Oil & Gas fags

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ZZMsia
post Mar 27 2023, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(DupeIkan @ Mar 27 2023, 12:07 PM)
Was in your position during MCO, no one was hiring that time. Had to jump multiple sector & companies and now in tech field.
Background in Pet Eng too.

But had a friend went to MMHE and he's happy there.
The one's on clients & bigger vendors (SLB/Halliburton) got it through connections.
It is what it is though....
Don't give up. I probably want to go back but I think it'll be as management (have a VP from SLB to tech)
Technip during MCO literally skeleton crew iinm
But thought they all would pay much more than 3.5k  rclxub.gif
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Technip did vss during covid first year. But survived.
Aker currently little project for engineering unit..
Their targer project is delayed... By bumiarmada

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post Mar 28 2023, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(ZZMsia @ Mar 27 2023, 03:11 PM)
Technip did vss during covid first year. But survived.
Aker currently little project for engineering unit..
Their targer project is delayed... By bumiarmada
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MMC is still surviving, recently awarded a DED by MMHE for a CPOC job.

Worley is stretched out. It’s loaded with big projects.
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QUOTE(lock_82 @ Mar 25 2023, 10:57 PM)
Running biz in Msia is definitely more lucrative than employment in Msia.

Nevertheless, having low cpga does hurt chances to get in major mnc at get go but no harm trying. Worse case, you can start with smaller companies and eventually you can move to better roles as relevant experience counts a lot more than CGPA in near future. I have seen successful people with 3.0 result to start with.

Having said that, the competition ia extremely tough at all levels in term of finding good job. Especially in Malaysia, it is about who you know instead of what you know.
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Yeah , actually seeing the fruits of my 'endeavors' outside of engineering currently. But engineering has always been my passion , hard to let that dream die.

Having that said , with the power distance being insane here in Malaysia , its probably the best for me to ask around for opportunities , not looking strictly into technical positions , but I'm also intrigued with the business aspect of the industry,


QUOTE(Stamp @ Mar 26 2023, 06:31 AM)
You knew already that to get the “premium” job as a fresh graduate in oil&gas would require a candidate to have super high CGPA. Why don’t you be pragmatic and practical by aiming for a less “premium” job as a start?

If you CGPA is between 3.0 to 3.5, there’s still hope for you to join the consultants. Your prospects will be higher if you apply for oil&gas construction sector or oil&gas services sector.

Actually I laughed my heads off when I read of S looking for fresh graduates with a minimum CGPA of 3.50. I think its mgmt is delusional to think that for a company financially unstable now to have such high ambition to recruit the best fresh graduates in the market. I bet the freshies if they join S, will leave the company after a short stint in the company when they find out how the company is managed.
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Sorry sweat.gif , I think I misrepresented what I think is a 'premium' job . From my perspective and expectations , anything above 3k is considered 'premium' , I know full well how crappy fresh grads are paid , especially those getting into graduate hiring schemes which are a commonplace these days. In essence I wanna try to avoid any of these 'schemes' as much as possible .


QUOTE(ZZMsia @ Mar 26 2023, 11:39 AM)
My first response is this:
Protege, please think twice before signing up.

It seems to be treated as a paid internship rather than a graduate program.

The salary from my junior is RM2,000/month and no EPF payable by employer or employee.
My junior is very disappointed with his experience (still in protege and actively trying to get a proper job) (According to HOD, no chance to be absorbed considering what he studied and his current department in the firm).
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Heard the same horror stories from peers as well . I'd try my best to avoid that.


QUOTE(ZZMsia @ Mar 26 2023, 11:49 AM)
Let me summarize:

Fresh grad
1. Degree: Chemical Engineering
2. Previous experience: PMT for 2 projects under MMHE Subcon
3. Scope: Jacket (Structures)
4. Grade: >3.0<3.5.
5. Experience besides Oil industry: business and entrepreneurship , held managerial positions in supplying , manufacturing and FnB when studying

How hard is it for a fresh graduate to go 'offshore'
Answer: Depends on which company you join. If you join a HUC company or drilling company, the chances are there. Also, for consultant firm, if you are supporting offshore brownfield projects, there is good chance (as a discipline engineer but not Project).

But don't be so choosy as I see that you want "everything".
"Everything" being:
1. Chance to go offshore.
2. Premium position for fresh grad
3. Career progression
4. Pay
You need to realize that there are thousands of fresh grads like you and some of them have top CGPA in engineering and want to join O&G "premium" companies.
Most of them are willing to drop No 1-4 in exchange for experience in O&G since manufacturing and other non O&G pays badly (Except for software and IT).
Based on your experience above, I don't see you joining premium company at the start as per what stamp mentioned.
you can be practical and aim for less.

I suggest: MMHE since you already worked for their subcon before.
Else, you can try consultants such as Worley, Aker, Technip, RNZ, DAR, MMC, etc (Salary will be 3-3.5k).

MMHE is urgently looking for manpower to help them execute their projects. However, as a process engineer your knowledge will not be so strong if you start at a fabricator. (I doubt technical careerpath is what you are looking for - long term). You can try for construction engineer or project engineer..
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First off , I'd really like to thank you for spending time for such an extensive write up . I REALLY do appreciate that.

Sorry if I came off as choosy , I didn't spend too much time thinking on what I was writing . When I say premium position and pay , I don't mean sky high 99th percentile pay as a fresh grad , misworded my sentence , I'm just looking for something that pays 'fairly' probably around 3k aside from all the usual graduate hiring schemes that pay way below that.

referring to 1 , its just wishful thinking to go offshore tongue.gif I just think its pretty cool , but I need to be pragmatic . I don't really care that much in what dept that I would have the chance to be absorbed into . But was really into Management , delivery and corporate planning for the OnG industry. I think I do have a forte in that when it comes to my previous stated experiences , probably would settle for that honestly.

about MMHE , in no way am I slandering or making factual statements, but this is strictly from my own personal observations and hearsay (probably biased since I did come from a subcon in west yard) , I've heard nothing more but 'bad things from them . Even Ex MMHE staff who are currently working for other companies have talked negatively about their experience there , so I'm really on the fence on ever going there again. But probably as you said , the experience that could be gained is probably to die for. Though , met the director , pretty chill and down to earth guy.

Probably should keep my expectations low and keep my head down . Thanks for the advice! I'll update if I get an opportunity somewhere.


QUOTE(lock_82 @ Mar 27 2023, 05:16 AM)
@Zzmsia, kudos to the straight to the point explanation.

Most note worthy is that tons of people lining up for opportunity in O&G industry from fresh to seasoned exp people.

Start with local companies and move way up would be best choice here.  In 10yrs time, could end up being an expat elsewhere too.

P.s. MMHE has all the jobs in Msia that experience would be to die for esp young engineers.
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Will probably look into MMHE again , its insane how they won back to back projects , so many things lined up for them . During my tenure in their yard it was nuts , things were flying to be finished , especially when rosemari was lined up even before the other two cpps were done with their loadout , good for them.


QUOTE(ZZMsia @ Mar 27 2023, 08:26 AM)
Yes and MMHE recent project CPOC is WHP, whereby most of the scope has structural and you can use it as first experience to showcase your talent to management.

Don't worry about not joining other premium companies as it is slightly easier to join them with experience (Fresh grad has too many into O&G).
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QUOTE(DupeIkan @ Mar 27 2023, 12:07 PM)
Was in your position during MCO, no one was hiring that time. Had to jump multiple sector & companies and now in tech field.
Background in Pet Eng too.

But had a friend went to MMHE and he's happy there.
The one's on clients & bigger vendors (SLB/Halliburton) got it through connections.
It is what it is though....
Don't give up. I probably want to go back but I think it'll be as management (have a VP from SLB to tech)
Technip during MCO literally skeleton crew iinm
But thought they all would pay much more than 3.5k  rclxub.gif
Esp. Aker
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Thank you everyone for chipping in their advices , really means a lot to me , Ill probably come round soon.

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QUOTE(Stamp @ Mar 28 2023, 05:52 PM)
MMC is still surviving, recently awarded a DED by MMHE for a CPOC job.

Worley is stretched out. It’s loaded with big projects.
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Mmc unable to pay.. Offers below current salary.
3-4 of their lead Mechanical engineers went to Worley..
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post Mar 29 2023, 06:56 AM

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Ok, I understand what you mean initially on the premium opportunity.
Around 3k is very very reasonable & don’t settle for less as you are going to make companies keep lowballing our fresh grads (salaries have stagnated for a long time in Malaysia now or even getting lesser).

1. Target: Work visit to Offshore (Site visit/ offshore campaign assumed)
2. Specific departments: Open
3. Into: Management, delivery and corporate planning
4. My Suggested departments: Project Management, planning

For planning, not easy to go offshore. For project Management (Project Engineer), the chance is there but not really for consultancy… Maybe with T&I, HUC, Drilling…

I do not suggest to join planning as fresh grad as you need to understand workflow (For your company) to be a good planner.

However, your experience is really limited, so better to get a Engineering job then jump into PE at a later stage. May i suggest Safety Engineer or Process engineer (Process engineer at consultancy could be tough knowledge check on your technicals).

Your comments about MMHE (whether observation or hearsay) is similar to what others witness. However, since you are young, its good to see the bad things and learn from project experience rather than going on a smooth sailing project.

PS: I have been in multiple projects and theres SH@T everywhere. All projects will have its unique challenges and as a young engineer, better to witness and learn from it.

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QUOTE(CertifiedHomphobe @ Mar 29 2023, 12:25 AM)

Will probably look into MMHE again , its insane how they won back to back projects , so many things lined up for them . During my tenure in their yard it was nuts , things were flying to be finished , especially when rosemari was lined up even before the other two cpps were done with their loadout , good for them.
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Thank you everyone for chipping in their advices , really means a lot to me , Ill probably come round soon.
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Its no rocket science when your main and only competitor for mid-big sized projects goes bankrupt. At the same time, pricing is also good..

Good luck to MMHE and wish the best for their back to back projects with peak fabrication in 2024..

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How’s the work culture in McD for the engineering discipline ?
Appreciate some insight, thanks in advance!
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How’s the work culture in McD for the engineering discipline ?
Appreciate some insight, thanks in advance!
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Lot of nationals from India as Lead principal engineers...


If you're from other consultant, their working way more structured than Worley or Rnz...

Mostly offshore projects
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How’s the work culture in McD for the engineering discipline ?
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The offer on contract basis right? How is the salary? There shall be contract completion bonus for Mcdermott

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QUOTE(ZZMsia @ Mar 29 2023, 11:36 AM)
Lot of nationals from India as Lead principal engineers...
If you're from other consultant, their working way more structured than Worley or Rnz...

Mostly offshore projects
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I wonder how those Indian expats got the Msian work permits as principal engineers.

How did the company manage to convince the govt agency which issues work permits to foreigners, that there were no locals for the said position.
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Malaysia hardly regulate professional engineers works if you ask me. It was same even back like early 2000 for Shell as well.

Nevertheless Indians expat are all over global circuit esp middle east. It will be hard not to engage them.

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Also, I believe McD doesnt hold any Msia project hence, no requirement to comply with local content.
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QUOTE(lock_82 @ Mar 29 2023, 09:12 PM)
Also, I believe McD doesnt hold any Msia project hence, no requirement to comply with local content.
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Correct, no project in Malaysia, in fact they bring overseas projects for Malaysia.
Current project is from Trinidad tobago


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QUOTE(lock_82 @ Mar 29 2023, 09:11 PM)
Malaysia hardly regulate professional engineers works if you ask me. It was same even back like early 2000 for Shell as well.

Nevertheless Indians expat are all over global circuit esp middle east. It will be hard not to engage them.
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The quality of Indian expats vary widely. The cream ones had gone to the US and Europe. The half past six expats lurk around in SEA region. They are no longer first choice expats in the ME. Qatargas which is aggressively recruiting now do not have many Indian expats from India. They learned their lessons hiring phony Indian expats in the past. They no longer trust the CVs of Indian expats from India.

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QUOTE(lock_82 @ Mar 29 2023, 09:12 PM)
Also, I believe McD doesnt hold any Msia project hence, no requirement to comply with local content.
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The principles of hiring foreign expats in Malaysia is simple; only when there are no qualified locals then foreign expats are allowed to be hired by companies operating in Malaysia.

Hence my question to Immigration office; on what basis did they give work permits to expats for jobs that there are qualified locals to perform the same job?
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QUOTE(Stamp @ Mar 30 2023, 12:04 AM)
The principles of hiring foreign expats in Malaysia is simple; only when there are no qualified locals then foreign expats are allowed to be hired by companies operating in Malaysia.

Hence my question to Immigration office; on what basis did they give work permits to expats for jobs that there are qualified locals to perform the same job?
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Agree on the principle but unfortunately reality isnt the case. Obviously someone sleeping on jobs.

As mentioned, McD bring in job from oversea that should be plus point too.

Frankly, i aubmitted a job application for Msia (not McD) recently but got rejected with excuse that they want to hire expat.. one of those w@f moment.

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QUOTE(lock_82 @ Mar 30 2023, 12:45 PM)
Agree on the principle but unfortunately reality isnt the case. Obviously someone sleeping on jobs.

As mentioned, McD bring in job from oversea that should be plus point too.

Frankly, i aubmitted a job application for Msia but got rejected with excuse that they want to hire expat.. one of those w@f moment.
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Currently, they are not busy and some contract staff informed me that their boss shared not planning to renew contracts unless new project come in.
The ongoing feed project is for wellhead platform and pipeline only and considered small scope for Mcdermott....

Better you try for Worley..

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QUOTE(ZZMsia @ Mar 30 2023, 03:28 PM)
Currently, they are not busy and some contract staff informed me that their boss shared not planning to renew contracts unless new project come in.
The ongoing feed project is for wellhead platform and pipeline only and considered small scope for Mcdermott....

Better you try for Worley..
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The one i submitted wasnt McD.. just to clarify.
PRW seems like one with most opportunity now.
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QUOTE(lock_82 @ Mar 30 2023, 04:22 PM)
The one i submitted wasnt McD.. just to clarify.
PRW seems like one with most opportunity now.
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Becareful also as too much jobs can be good thing for short term but long term is not possible to sustain with lot of jobs.
At the moment, I heard they are getting other jobs also not yet start..

Overseas jobs not local..


For 2023, can consider as safe and if you have no job at the moment, do go ahead..
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Indeed.. life of EPC is never stable unless really strong cable.

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