I respect your opinion on how it looks but the 2023 Vios to me is merely following contemporary design trends. Noticed how the interior is more simplistic or minimalist, like the interior that Mazda's have been lauded for in recent years. However, you don't like Mazdas either so it's no wonder you didn't like the 2023 Vios as well. In fact, Mazda have been doing this for so long that some people already got bored of it and thinks they are outdated! The other contemporary design trends are the squint headlights and taillights, clamshell bonnet and the smaller horn button cover area in the middle of the steering. You will notice the same familiar design trends in a lot of new car models.

Since you are still looking for a clear excuse to change your car, besides hybrid tech, you can consider turbocharged ICE too. They feel quite different from NA ICE. I could almost consider them in a class of their own in terms of driving feel, in the same way I would separate the EVs from the ICEs. The Almera (recommend the full specced VLT variant) can be considered. Peak torque comes at 2400 rpm (which is considered late compared to other turbo offerings that usually come before 2000 rpm). As a result, you get an "effortless" city driving feel, whereas in NA, the engine has to "scream" at over 4000 rpm for peak torque. Even better you go for HR-V E variant or Civic. These can push you back against your seat when accelerate out of toll booth. Golf R-Line is also an option but later you need to find a way to retrofit ADAS system into the car to be safe.

I’m driving the rline now. There are 3rd party installers for almost every missing system . Lol

I’m not so advanced la, with all these torques thing, I don’t mind minimalistic designs but I’m referring to its quality. I remember last time I was choosing between Honda city and Toyota Vios in the past and when I saw the interior build quality, it turned me off. The Honda city has better quality in terms of its built.

What is ICE though?

ice cream 雪糕
internal combustion enjin 内燃引擎

Ice cube 😂

Internal Combustion Engine (ICE)

I rather go for City RS than Vios cus I`m more to the Honda Sensing features and fuel saving. dont like to go petrol pump.

i belive you using old city with IDS engine? with 12 spark plug? that engine is very good in fuel consumption but due to much of spark plug they drop it.

maybe City RS would suit you.

my 2cent

VTEC.

You know what’s funny is that the City RS instalment is only RM400 cheaper than Corolla Cross considering all interest and period remain the same. It’s always only about RM400 difference.

This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Dec 6 2022, 08:28 PM

Well he should try the newest Persona/Iriz.

I drove highway at 100KMH-110KMH the RPM is at 2.5-2.8.

Miles if full time highway drive I can get 500KM per tank with approximately 6 litres left in the tank.
This is with Proton for some crazy reason upsize the wheel to 16 inch.
I believe more miles to be extracted if it is 15 inch wheels.

Like many have said, the newer pesona/iriz is really step forward versus their older model
Happy user here since the handling is top notch (that is with even the exec china tires, I change to eagle f1 sport). Too bad proton did not made the top end version in normal hatch form. Maybe they think SUV look/style is the way to go in the future.

This post has been edited by minizian: Dec 14 2022, 01:02 PM

Hopefully the upcoming s50 will be as good.
Hearsay is Dec.
1st Qtr would be X90

To be honest I still prefer proton original model (preve/satria neo/suprima/iriz/saga) instead of Geely rebadge ones.

Too bad they missed the opportunity to up the game like what they did with current iriz/persona on other discontinued proton model.

Yeah, the handling part is reason why i choose iriz and I just solo driver (but kinda suck if you want to carry big ass baggage behind)

This post has been edited by minizian: Dec 14 2022, 01:09 PM

The seats are abit too smallish for me to be comfortable

I see a lot of people say Iriz/Proton's handling is superb, etc. But I really want to know out of genuine curiosity, is the handling really that good? And in comparison to what?

Yes really that good

In comparison to every competitor in B segment

Even C segment of old with the Suprima/Preve
However back then, punch CVT was indeed a very bad Achilles heel and people in prospects for the higher upmarket C market definitely cannot accept

I drove a Iriz 1.3 cvt for 8 years LOL.
It drives fun. only F-ed up thing is the dang Punch CVT.

only 1.3. no power, but the swerving corners are alot of fun to take at higher speeds =)


My ideal dream Iriz is a
lower bodied hatch, with a DSG, or at least a Torque Converter type(no PUNCH!!!), and 1.6 Turbo. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. can keep the suspension. it's so nice. LOL

Dayum that's really interesting. I'd think of 208s, Minis, Swift when it comes to handling in B Segment. Gotta ask a colleague to let me test drive his Iriz then haha thanks for sharing

While mini is B , it is a sporty, if not outright considered a sports car/hot hatch which is definitely an unfair comparison.

Similarly 208 and swift, unless it's a 208 GTI /SSS , which are incorrect comparisons, the normal versions of these cars go toe to toe against the Iriz handling department, if not outright defeated. (Again, only in handling)

And if you factor in price, it gets even worse as you paying additional 50% car price (say, 60k > 90k) but you definitely do not get +50% handling.

A friend of mine who had preve (2nd or 3rd batch) went to the workshop to replace his suspension bushing (almost 300K Km car)
Found out that the preve was kitted out with full bars and braces onto the chassis from the factory.
The same type of chassis bars/braces that was sold aftermarket by Ultra Racing or Super Circuit.
Not sure if they retain it on later run of Preve/Suprima since proton tend to do changes batches by batches (the one came with tuned by lotus badge)

Too bad iriz was not given the same treatment from the factory and I guess they had to compromise on certain handling aspect to keep the car at cost.
Iriz is one of the shittest performing in Proton in terms of sales. Even saga sold way more that this.
Wish proton just go all out with the car since it is low volume seller, by as well put more proper performance stuff and sell it at a markup.

Believe or not, they did have a 1.3 tebu & manual box iriz in display in Proton many moons ago plus manual Suprima.
Too bad the Proton sales to Geely made them to sell off that prototype (or something like that)
Considering Geely is more like volume seller, I am surprised they even willing to update the Iriz/Persona (I guess due to Persona is doing great sales wise)
Doubt they would want to invest money onto putting entirely different engine/gearbox onto this platform rather optimize with what they have currently.

If possible try to test drive the newest iriz/persona. It is day and night versus older version (other older proton using punch box)
Avoid the dealership that still uses the previous gen as test drive. Its giving bad impression when the newer version was way better.

This post has been edited by minizian: Dec 14 2022, 11:17 PM

I see, thanks for the explanation. I think I get it now, and correct me if my understanding is wrong.

Iriz is good because the price to performance ratio in terms of handling alone is unbeatable compared to every competitor in the B segment (excluding sportier or higher end variants like Minis and 208 GTI, correct?

Not aware of bars and braces from factory.
And personally if the chassis is good enough, it doesn't need any bars and braces (exception to the bare minimum anti roll bars are fitted to just about majority of modern day vehicles)
So to me I'm against chassis bars and braces, but that's another topic for another day.

And as for the Iriz, i think it's handling is good enough even without any additional chassis bars and braces.

It's shit sales is no thanks to the Myvi and it's own brothers the Saga/Persona.

I have no doubt as enthusiasts to have special models or even from R3. It's easy to blame Geely, however even before Geely R3 didn't do it, and Punch transmission had many shortcomings that could have been solved throughout the years since it was introduced for the first time.

Yeap that is correct.

I think the only B segment that is close or better, is the Ford fiesta, and even that you need to ignore the price.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 14 2022, 11:21 PM