Any hybrid isn't worth it. Period.
Whatever fuel saving is fucked over by shit pricing and bad RV and it's likely to stay the same at least another 3-5 years unless there's huge government tax incentives and/or sharp increase in fuel prices.
Either which isn't likely to happen at least not drastically and not in the short term considering political instability and the crazy wealth gap we are experiencing post pandemic.

If you want a hybrid, you're only getting it because you can afford the luxury and/or electric instant torque.
Every other reason is just not valid/bullshit.

If your budget is 110k, you can rule out c segments.

What list of cars exactly you're looking at?
What exactly is your budget?

Within 5 years free service Mazda 3 isn't any much higher maintenance then other c segments.

In general, any c segments will be higher than your city petrol or hybrid.
They are all on similar levels of higher price and the maintenance will reflect that price.

Good you're not impressed as logically Mazda 3 is a driver centric car. It make sense at you're only a passenger.

If you prefer smaller cars, just forget any c segments.

Then i personally recommend you either:
1) keep your current city
2) change Proton Iriz, a spec below the active if you do hate SUV like me.
3) hybrid won't save you money. It's a luxury item for the rich. If you're rich, sure why not.

Yeah i personally also think Mazda 3 is over hyped. But my opinions aside, you could perhaps test drive it and have a more objective judgement towards that car.

That said, you could make it clearer that you absolutely hate SUV and will reject any SUV suggestions. It'll be easier for everyone. (Can't blame them, the market is highly in favour of SUV over sedan and small hatchbacks)

If even the new 2023 Vios doesn't entice you, then no to Toyota Vios/Yaris/Altis, no Toyota basically.

New city hatchback is pretty much plastic everywhere. Imho worse than current Yaris and new Vios will pull ahead on interior. So with this i take it you're bias in favour of Honda. (And that's very fine. My in law side exclusively only buy Honda cars and also happens to have a city hatchback)

Yeah you're no to Proton and no to 2023 Toyota Vios, make it easier for yourself : no Toyota. (Unless you're still open on that, then go test drive Toyota, and i HIGHLY encourage you to test drive the Proton Iriz)

Almost everything, except the bare metal chassis, is wear and tear. including the entire drive train and yes that includes engine and transmission.

Ok no hybrid it is
You can almost close topic already considering last part topic name

Yes Mazda 3 expensive cuz CBU. Your observation is correct and i also agree it isn't worth it.

Correction a bit, strictly In terms of value, only Proton and Perodua will win hands down because of our NAP. that isn't changing any time soon.

world is trending to SUV because ingress and egress of vehicle is easier, generally more spacious, higher position gets better view ahead and its more resistant to terrain issues such as floods.
I personally hate SUV (too) but it is what it is.

Explained by Ivan, hybrid and EV, their electric motors can produce 100% Rated torque (depending how powerful the motors are) instantly as opposed to waiting RPM to climb on internal combustion engines (ICE)

so let's sum it up:
1) (assumption) budget under 100k
2) no c segment
3) no Toyota
4) no city sedan
5) no Proton
6) no hybrid
7) no SUV
8) considering reliability, conti are out
9) Koreans also out as they no longer selling hatchbacks

so you only got maybe... City hatchback full spec
Process of elimination

Or keep your current car, see what the future holds after 1-3 years later.

I have absolutely zero interest in anything Perodua offer.

They move people, that's just about it. Anything to do with driving enjoyment is completely out the window

And all the driver assist (filling spec sheets) to me are mere gimmicks when even the basic braking systems leave a lot to be desired. (Very poor compared to their Proton counterparts)

Their newer DNGA based vehicles may be a lot better, however they are all huge SUV and MPV which again, zero interest.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 28 2022, 12:29 PM

considering this ya:
they aren't much of an upgrade
UMWT Altis is really short changed without dynamic force engine and there is simply a Civic sitting around that offers much better drive train and value as an all rounder car.

B segments, you're just side grading sitting at same segment just renewing/refreshing your current vehicle.
which isn't really needed considering your statements of:
1) the car is working fine no issues
2) you don't need a vehicle to show off
3) you seem calculative and/or financially sound

and that boggles me on why hybrid when it's NOT financially sound AT ALL.

now while i personally hate SUVs, i don't find your reasoning on SUV logical at all. because SUVs are much difference when it comes to expenses or maintenance. they aren't that much heavier than regular sedans, they don't exactly consume much more petrol than regular sedans. only maybe obvious difference when it comes to expenses and maintenance are tire and absorber replacements which, you don't exactly replace them every year either. considering your under utilization statement, you're probably only replacing the tires 4-6 years later, absorbers maybe never even until after you sell car since you're probably also not sensitive to ride & handling degradations.

that is fair enough and sheds a lot more light on your requirement.

considering this new information, you may want to avoid small b segment hybrids such as city hatch, and consider larger hybrids such as Civic eHEV.
or potentially all out EV that does away with ICE completely.

2023 Toyota Prius has been launched and you can also hope and wait for UMWT to bring in.

Hence my subtle message not to discount Proton Iriz lol

X50 on the other hand is a bit on the risky side and the long ass wait before you can even begin your ownership process.
I guess not to mention my general hatred to SUV doesn't do the X50 any favours.

Contemplated to get another spare car hence the Proton Iriz.

i was actually open to Perodua since wife and in law side favour Perodua so we went to test drive Myvi and Axia just to be sorely disappointed.
Went to try out the new 2022 Iriz and was pleasantly surprised on how the NVH and overall ride & handling even further improved.
Same sentiments applied to both myself and wife.

Yeap! Punch CVT was really good post Geely and every MC update it can still improve.

So good it makes the new Myvi CVT felt like punch CVT when it first released on Saga FLX many many years back.
Utter rubbish.

Well looks are subjective and to me it isn't a priority. That said, i think the Iriz looks much better than the Myvi. Maybe again with biases of how well the car drives from very first model (yes, even with pre Geely dreaded punch CVT Vs Myvi 4AT OF ANY generations) until the latest model. I heavily prioritize in a car ride and handling above anything else.

Actually, not really much more reliable.
And even if you replace a Proton engine, it'll still be cheaper than T&H counterpart

But yes, brand perception and if you think the additional 30-40k++ is worth it, then go for it!
For me, i definitely don't think you get 30-40k additional "worth"of car. So unless i go up c segment or other categories of vehicles (eg: actual sports cars), P1/P2 will always have an edge on pricing and value due to our NAP protecting them.

Yes really that good

In comparison to every competitor in B segment

Even C segment of old with the Suprima/Preve
However back then, punch CVT was indeed a very bad Achilles heel and people in prospects for the higher upmarket C market definitely cannot accept

While mini is B , it is a sporty, if not outright considered a sports car/hot hatch which is definitely an unfair comparison.

Similarly 208 and swift, unless it's a 208 GTI /SSS , which are incorrect comparisons, the normal versions of these cars go toe to toe against the Iriz handling department, if not outright defeated. (Again, only in handling)

And if you factor in price, it gets even worse as you paying additional 50% car price (say, 60k > 90k) but you definitely do not get +50% handling.

Not aware of bars and braces from factory.
And personally if the chassis is good enough, it doesn't need any bars and braces (exception to the bare minimum anti roll bars are fitted to just about majority of modern day vehicles)
So to me I'm against chassis bars and braces, but that's another topic for another day.

And as for the Iriz, i think it's handling is good enough even without any additional chassis bars and braces.

It's shit sales is no thanks to the Myvi and it's own brothers the Saga/Persona.

I have no doubt as enthusiasts to have special models or even from R3. It's easy to blame Geely, however even before Geely R3 didn't do it, and Punch transmission had many shortcomings that could have been solved throughout the years since it was introduced for the first time.

Yeap that is correct.

I think the only B segment that is close or better, is the Ford fiesta, and even that you need to ignore the price.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 14 2022, 11:21 PM

Test drive both Toyota and Honda hybrid offerings.

They are mechanically very different