Yes, wait for the all new Vios, seems nice

I saw the YouTube, from real Thailand footage. The interior looks so cheap? I always think between Honda city and Vios, City always has better interior.

not sure how interior feels, this you have to touch it yourself
your money you decides

based on videos from TH, exterior wise, 2023 Yaris Ativ definitely will moves more units than City

The plastic/vinyl finishing looks really cheap. That’s how I ended up with Honda City as my current car as well last time cause the vios finishing was really bad.

Haha! But it’s already end of the year as well, I will most likely make my purchase after a few months, in 2023 for sure. Maybe they will have a lot of discounts for the current vios already when the new model is about to arrive, which I don’t really mind.

This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Nov 27 2022, 10:15 AM

See the quality, the interior quality is so much difference between the 2022 and 2023.
The 2023 one reminds me of Proton Saga interior quality.

Sorry if I miss out if you have stated, but what is your reason in looking for a new car? Since in your post you mentioned that your current Honda City is still working like a charm.

Probably cause it’s 16 years old!

It can go another 5 more, and who knows by then, you'll have better options with hybrids and electric when the tech and market have matured.

By that logic you will never buy a car, since every year new tech will always come out!

No no. I'm asking the question because in the original post, it is not specifically stated as to why she's in the market for a new car.

Of course we can assume she's just looking for something new, perhaps an upgrade, etc. But her post also mentioned that she does not spend or drive that much. Thus, the question lol...... and perhaps based on her replies, we may give additional feedback or suggestions.

If you are planning to have new car for more than 10 years, I would suggest you take Toyota Hybrid which provide warranty not just on battery only but also include inverter and power management control ECU (Honda warranty cover only battery unit).

I would suggest you to take Hybrid, because the future is moving forward to EV, hence Hybrid are the next move before convert to full EV. Take Honda and Toyota as example, Their top range model are hybrid (example HRV, Civic and Toyota Corolla Cross). Else you want to stick with petrol and not moving forward with the future

You don't need to worry about battery, take example for Toyota corolla cross hybrid. replacing a new battery from Toyota SC are costing RM8k (this is new battery, hopefully will get cheaper in the future since most of the advance car are using EV).
If you replacing refurbished unit outside, it just cost around RM 3K (this is something like we replacing aircon compressor either you take Ori or refurbished unit).

Below are some article for your reference
https://www.wapcar.my/news/used-hybrids-are...da-insight-7057

Since Toyota provide warranty 8 - 10 Years, battery life should last around 8 years. Once replaced you are good to go for another 8 years. Until that time, you might already change new car.

My 2 cents.

This post has been edited by ws_lim83: Nov 27 2022, 05:47 PM

Cause hand itchy, so I’m just scouting around. But like you said my car can easily outlast me. Cause it’s very well maintained, exterior interior and engines. No big or major repairs needed except parts that need to be changed due to wear and tear.

So far I’m really satisfied with Honda. Very reliable imho. At least this Honda City has been for me. *touch wood*

SUV is a nope for me. Hybrid or not.

The only reason I consider hybrid is whether or not it will save me money monthly. Lol, I don’t really care where the world is moving forward into the future, EV or Petrol or not.

Cause EV or Hybrid are just illusions. The world can never get rid of its reliance on fossil fuels no matter what. Every single food we eat, clothes we we eat, even the electricity that powers all the cars in the future, are all made possible with fossil fuels. Hahaha!

If you trace down every single chain of production of every single thing in this world, fossil fuels always go hand in hand in every little thing.

But back to the topic, SUV is nope for me. Reason is because the extra expenses are not worth it for me. Cause I don’t use the car much in the first place and I certainly don’t need to show off with a big car. I’m into hatchback size, nice and cozy, convenient and fits my needs.



This post has been edited by miyakochan89: Nov 27 2022, 07:28 PM

Any hybrid isn't worth it. Period.
Whatever fuel saving is fucked over by shit pricing and bad RV and it's likely to stay the same at least another 3-5 years unless there's huge government tax incentives and/or sharp increase in fuel prices.
Either which isn't likely to happen at least not drastically and not in the short term considering political instability and the crazy wealth gap we are experiencing post pandemic.

If you want a hybrid, you're only getting it because you can afford the luxury and/or electric instant torque.
Every other reason is just not valid/bullshit.

If your budget is 110k, you can rule out c segments.

What list of cars exactly you're looking at?
What exactly is your budget?

Within 5 years free service Mazda 3 isn't any much higher maintenance then other c segments.

In general, any c segments will be higher than your city petrol or hybrid.
They are all on similar levels of higher price and the maintenance will reflect that price.

Good you're not impressed as logically Mazda 3 is a driver centric car. It make sense at you're only a passenger.

If you prefer smaller cars, just forget any c segments.

Then i personally recommend you either:
1) keep your current city
2) change Proton Iriz, a spec below the active if you do hate SUV like me.
3) hybrid won't save you money. It's a luxury item for the rich. If you're rich, sure why not.

Yeah i personally also think Mazda 3 is over hyped. But my opinions aside, you could perhaps test drive it and have a more objective judgement towards that car.

That said, you could make it clearer that you absolutely hate SUV and will reject any SUV suggestions. It'll be easier for everyone. (Can't blame them, the market is highly in favour of SUV over sedan and small hatchbacks)

Yeah I heard that Mazda is a driver centric car. But the prices are way too steep, in terms of value for money, Honda and Toyota win hands down.

These days SUVs are way too popular. Lol. Don’t know what’s the hype with it except that it’s big and tall. And more emissions.

By the way what’s the instant electric torque that you mentioned?

No to Proton cars. Like you recommended, I either keep my current car. Or it’s back to Vios, City, City Hatchback or Yaris.

The only car that I might consider to upgrade from what I have is Altis.

I will have to go there personally to test them all out to see if I wanna upgrade or not.

Electric/Hybrid vehicles with motors powering the wheels have full max torque from standstill. Compared to a gasoline engine that needs to rev up to certain RPM range then only you will get the max torque.

A lot of people get hybrids partly cause of "fuel saving(which i think is being negated by high prices)", and also the instant torque. The feeling where at the traffic light when it turns green, and u step on the pedal and you FLY!!!!! with your back glued to the seat!

If even the new 2023 Vios doesn't entice you, then no to Toyota Vios/Yaris/Altis, no Toyota basically.

New city hatchback is pretty much plastic everywhere. Imho worse than current Yaris and new Vios will pull ahead on interior. So with this i take it you're bias in favour of Honda. (And that's very fine. My in law side exclusively only buy Honda cars and also happens to have a city hatchback)

Yeah you're no to Proton and no to 2023 Toyota Vios, make it easier for yourself : no Toyota. (Unless you're still open on that, then go test drive Toyota, and i HIGHLY encourage you to test drive the Proton Iriz)

Almost everything, except the bare metal chassis, is wear and tear. including the entire drive train and yes that includes engine and transmission.

Ok no hybrid it is
You can almost close topic already considering last part topic name

Yes Mazda 3 expensive cuz CBU. Your observation is correct and i also agree it isn't worth it.

Correction a bit, strictly In terms of value, only Proton and Perodua will win hands down because of our NAP. that isn't changing any time soon.

world is trending to SUV because ingress and egress of vehicle is easier, generally more spacious, higher position gets better view ahead and its more resistant to terrain issues such as floods.
I personally hate SUV (too) but it is what it is.

Explained by Ivan, hybrid and EV, their electric motors can produce 100% Rated torque (depending how powerful the motors are) instantly as opposed to waiting RPM to climb on internal combustion engines (ICE)

so let's sum it up:
1) (assumption) budget under 100k
2) no c segment
3) no Toyota
4) no city sedan
5) no Proton
6) no hybrid
7) no SUV
8) considering reliability, conti are out
9) Koreans also out as they no longer selling hatchbacks

so you only got maybe... City hatchback full spec
Process of elimination

Or keep your current car, see what the future holds after 1-3 years later.

Just curious, how come MYVi is not under your recommendation list? Vs Iriz.

later u say downgraded pula

No amount of forumming can explain what is Electric instant torque feeling. The only thing similar is Diesel turbo when you mash the throttle, even then there is a split second quicker of instant-ness from Electric motor. I used to race RC car's competitively and I know what an electric motor rush is like compared to a gas powered engine.

So, the only real way of doing this properly is going to the showroom or at least call for a test drive. And make sure the car is bloody charged up by having it sit in idle for a long time.

The part with hybrids vs fossil fuel is that you may want to bet that petrol prices could increase to Rm4-6 per liter and at that time, it is very economically viable to own a hybrid. BUT this day may or may not come, and is very much under politically control and will. Personally I am for this, because I want to see petrol subsidy monies being used for infrastructure and education. But it is unlikely to happen. still, a bet is a bet. If eventually the government reduces the petrol subsidy, they can actually offset this with reduced hybrid tax. Of course it does not benefit the lower income group but perhaps it is a good way to wean us off fossil fuel dependency.

But, if you are left with Altis, I say its a great upgrade from a 16 y.o City. I will upgrade based on safety rating alone, and its various active and passive safety features. Survivability is much higher in a new metal chassis. But I drive my whole family in that thing and really I think the feeling of safety is utmost importance for me.

Likely you will spend a bit more petrol expense with it, or at least be prepared for it.

It is very comfortable, and longevity wise it will probably last another decade, easily.

With this contrasting condition, I may try and get a hybrid if the price is right - hence perhaps sticking with your current car is not too bad an idea, if you don't actually drive a lot.

living northern rely on personal transportation very much.
public bas, teksi grab those coverage are not wide.
so continue with old city. since d resell price are steady even u sell now or later on