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fireace123
post Oct 12 2008, 11:29 AM

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lol
that's what we call PRO
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post Oct 12 2008, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(fireace123 @ Oct 11 2008, 11:02 PM)
lol why are you so desperately find black ones,
I am bored with the normal black colour, I would prefer other colour else, to be more special +.+
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hihi...do u know where can found black color base 1?
fireace123
post Oct 12 2008, 12:54 PM

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nope I don't know,
sorry can't help
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post Oct 12 2008, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(fireace123 @ Oct 10 2008, 12:05 PM)
Actually, there is no so called "supposed time", that's why we've got people who can solve under 10 seconds and people who uses over 1 minute.
It's depend on your own cubing technique, e.g. finger tricks, algorithms you use, cube you use.

Me myself with LBL, 4 look LL, I can get it done in sub-40, and no it's not good, there are people who can sub-30.

And as for the method, the famous one are Fridrich, Petrus and Roux.

Fridrich method is the method used by most of the top cuber, I would say the top 10 in WCA website are all using Fridrich.

Petrus method is said to use the least step to solve. This method is based on block building, and looking ahead is very important in this solve in order to get good time.

Roux method is similar to Petrus but this method needs to inspect 5 pieces at the starting instead of 4 of Petrus and Fridrich. Also, this method uses M slice very often, in which, change of gripping is less often.

There are hell lots of videos available on youtube which you can find finger tricks, tutorial on each methods, even algorithms,
give some patience to watch them.
For the gripping, I can give some idea here.

For right hander, use your left hand to grip,
hold 4 pieces of bottom left corner(reference to F face) with your left thumb,
you middle finger and ring finger on the opposite site,
free up your index finger in order to push U'.

Basically that's the idea, hope you can get it, watch more videos to get a clearer image.
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Yeah, i'm not asking for the best time, just the supposed time like ermm... since i'm new and i need 3:47 to solve by using Layer By Layer(LBL is it? Its hard to understand all the shortcuts you guys used) so i guess probably sub 4 minutes is a good time for newbie to solve using the LBL.

and like Fridrich, some ppl say they take longer to solve with this, while faster with LBL but most pro use frid to solve fast....so again its abit confusing happy.gif

For your gripping, if its Thumb on the 4 pieces, how can we turn the 'F' or 'L'? i'm having hard time with finger tricks and gripping.
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post Oct 12 2008, 05:01 PM

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lol sorry for the terms, yea LBL means layer by layer, and LL means last layer.

People say they need more time with Fridrich because they are not yet familiar with the second step of it, F2L.
F2L is what makes Fridrich to be fast, but for the newbie who just switches to Fridrich from LBL, it's understandable that he or she will take longer time.
Note that it's recommended you should get your time in around 1 minute with LBL before changing to Fridrich(or any advance methods).

4 minutes is not really a good time and you've got lots of space for improvement. Meanwhile you should just train more on your LBL and eventually you will get into 2 minutes in around 1 week or less.


Finger trick is actually something that suits yourself, not necessary that yours must be same with others. So it's a thing that left yourself to discover with.

As for me(and probably most of the speed-cubers), F move is made by pushing the FUR(Front-Up-Right) corner using your right hand index finger, of course, your left thumb must release some tension in order for it to move. While F' will be pushing FDR(Front-Down-Right) corner with right thumb.

For L, change your grip to right hand and use left hand to turn.


One more thing need to know is that, the gripping is just for a reference, it doesn't mean that you need to grip that in whole solve, of course you'll have to change some gripping in order to perform faster finger tricks.
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post Oct 12 2008, 06:52 PM

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F2L means wat?

Yeah i know 4 minutes is a bad time, which i'm still trying to improve on...i think i'm taking alot of time because i do my cross quite slow as i keep have to find the right piece....and then the 2nd layer now i'm quite familiar with the algorithms so i can do it quite ok....and the last layer still take me some time as i keep need to find the piece....

Not sure what i can do to really improve now T_T

Actually i not very sure what finger tricks are also....but i see those pro cubers they can do many move so fast but i think i do many regrip or the way to turn it not so good....also alot of cube bang when i twist and turn.... dont know if its the cube or my style not good.

Uhm, good explaination of the grip.
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post Oct 12 2008, 07:55 PM

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sorry again for term, F2L means first 2 layer, it's the second step of Fridrich which comes after Cross.
By LBL, you will have to slot in first layer, then second layer one by one.
Using F2L, you slot both layer together, we called it as F2L pair or CE(corner-edge) pair.

The only thing for you to do know is only PRACTISE.
With more practices you will get more and more familiar with the cube and there is no way you can't get your time improve with that.

Regripping does eat some time, but in your case, it's still OK to regrip.
It's sometimes depends on the person, it's how fast one can turn the cube. A quick example is, for a Fridrich solve, normally it takes around 50~60 moves, world record is 7 seconds, means the record holder is turning more than 7 moves per second. Well, if you can turn at that speed, you can get good time too.


What cube are you using?
DIY ones?
If yes, it shouldn't stuck often, maybe it's the way you turn or the power of your turning.
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post Oct 13 2008, 03:49 AM

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oh so F2L is 1st 2 layer... lol been thinking what the hell it means for quite some time.... so fridrich must be hard cause i heard alot of looking ahead while i can only look for that 1 single piece and think how to turn it to the desired location and then do the algorithms......

yeah now i do practice alot...keep doing and doing the same thing

OMFG! i need like 4-5 seconds just to find the piece that i want....

I'm using type D and C, yes DIY 1....i have type A but short of 1 cover, so i'm waiting for the seller to order it back for me....
I also dont know why...but it just keep bangs....or its hard to turn....maybe not so smooth yet cause i just got it like less then 1 week.
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post Oct 13 2008, 11:06 AM

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maybe it's the tension?
or did you do any lubrication?
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post Oct 14 2008, 03:12 AM

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thats the problem, i dont know the range of tension i should alter from.....

nope, haven't do the lube yet...i'm still breaking in the cube actually, not sure how long i still need to do the breaking but i think i'll lube when i get my cubesmith tiles and i'll do everything that time
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post Oct 14 2008, 01:06 PM

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k then, give more reviews after you've done everything
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post Oct 15 2008, 05:50 AM

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OMG! i cant believe this!

I was trying to beat my own time in a set of 5, and i did below 3 minutes now...except for my fkin last set, which until now i cant solve....

i guess i need some help

I'm using LBL and i already did the 1st 2 layer....but amazingly i could not do the cross on the bottom....i dont know why and i've not faced this b4.....

I'm using the algo F R U R' U' F, i do it like 1 million times and still cant get the cross....

i even try to get the L shape with the blank spot in the top left corner, and then do the F R U R' U' F, but also cant...i really dont know why and leaving the cube as it is now T_T
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post Oct 15 2008, 12:03 PM

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The algo you stated is used to solve the case of a horizontal line of U face.

Maybe you didn't position it correctly?

It's hard to explain in word, maybe you can post up the photo of it, I will see if I can help
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post Oct 15 2008, 04:59 PM

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The Front

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The Right

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The Back

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The Left

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The Bottom

and the Top is Blue, all blue
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post Oct 15 2008, 05:51 PM

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Where did you put your cross?
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post Oct 15 2008, 07:30 PM

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did u like pop the pieces then fix it back wrongly?
if not i think it's parity or smth (dunno how they call it)..


This post has been edited by nTHtoSEy: Oct 15 2008, 07:31 PM
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post Oct 15 2008, 10:03 PM

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for sure, your cube was POPed, and you didn't fix it correctly.

Just take out any edge piece, flip it and fix it back


Added on October 15, 2008, 10:27 pmRemember, wrong edges come in pair

This post has been edited by fireace123: Oct 15 2008, 10:27 PM
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post Oct 15 2008, 10:28 PM

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Btw guys, can WD40 work for Rubik's 3x3 cube? Will it spoil it in a short time?
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post Oct 15 2008, 10:30 PM

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I heard it will, because of the petroleum base
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post Oct 15 2008, 11:08 PM

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WD-40 FAQ.
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What surfaces or materials are OK to use WD-40 on?

WD-40 can be used on just about everything. It is safe for metal, rubber, wood and plastic. WD-40 can be applied to painted metal surfaces without harming the paint. Polycarbonate and clear polystyrene plastic are among the few surfaces on which to avoid using a petroleum-based product like WD-40.


Most cubes are made from ABS material (Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene)

According to Wikipedia,
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ABS polymers are resistant to aqueous acids, alkalis, concentrated hydrochloric and phosphoric acids, alcohols and animal, vegetable and mineral oils, but they are swollen by glacial acetic acid, carbon tetrachloride and aromatic hydrocarbons and are attacked by concentrated sulfuric and nitric acids. They are soluble in esters, ketones and ethylene dichloride.
About petroleum:
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The hydrocarbons in crude oil are mostly alkanes, cycloalkanes and various aromatic hydrocarbons while the other organic compounds contain nitrogen, oxygen and sulfur, and trace amounts of metals such as iron, nickel, copper and vanadium. The exact molecular composition varies widely from formation to formation but the proportion of chemical elements vary over fairly narrow limits as follows.........


So i think the WD-40 will eat up ur cube as it combines its carbon compound with the cube's carbon compound. It will seriously screw the core..but not as much on the pieces i guess..

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