QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 22 2024, 03:27 PM)
Probably around 12-15 km/l, but I spend 90% of my time in urban traffic.Nissan Almera Turbo 1.0 (N18) Ownership Experience, Sharing Thoughts / Experience / Issues
Nissan Almera Turbo 1.0 (N18) Ownership Experience, Sharing Thoughts / Experience / Issues
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May 29 2024, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Feb 27 2024, 01:08 PM) If around 110km/h and below, no issue. Just tried up to 140km/h along Kesas highway between Klang and PJ and it doesn't feel too stable and a little floaty, so I brought the speed back down to 100km/h. The stretch of highway along Kesas near Shah Alam is not even and undulating but still that is no excuse for the floaty feeling of the vehicle. Due to the light weight of the vehicle, it's not very stable at high speeds up to say 130 or 140km/h but if around 110km/h it should be fine. This Abam drive 190 kmh looks OK only.For city driving it's quite perfect due to the light steering(easy to manoeuvre) and low petrol consumption. For highways, no issue at legal speed limits but floaty feeling at higher speeds. |
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 29 2024, 10:41 PM) It looks OK but in reality the car is really struggling at that speed. I've not driven the car past 140km/h as it is mostly used for city driving. This Almera has a small 1.0-litre turbocharged engine and the nature of this design is to save fuel. With hard acceleration or driving at high speed, the engine emits a loud and weird sound as the roar of the engine is different from naturally aspirated engine, and it's not a pleasant sound. It's a loud and unpleasant high pitch tin can sound from the small turbo engine if you drive the car aggressively. The sound from the engine gives you a feeling that you are abusing it if the driver does hard acceleration or hitting close to top speed. It's the opposite experience with a powerful 2.0 litre NA engine where the normal robust roar of the engine gives you a feeling of assurance that the vehicle is doing fine even if you push it hard. FWIW I don't feel confident driving the Almera turbo at high speed even at 140km/h due to the soft floaty suspension, and would be less inclined to abuse the car by driving at higher speeds due to the small capacity turbo engine. The nature or advantage of this vehicle is good fuel economy at low city speeds driving and a smooth, comfortable and quiet drive. I actually feel much safer doing 200+ km/h in the Ford Focus than 140km/h in the Almera. The Ford is not only much more powerful but a stable car when driven at high speeds. Well, that's another story. Horses for courses. Most people usually buy Nissan for smooth, comfortable and quiet drive. If you want speed and power then there are better choices, in my experience. This post has been edited by SportyHandling: May 30 2024, 08:11 PM nightzstar liked this post
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May 30 2024, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ May 30 2024, 08:06 PM) It looks OK but in reality the car is really struggling at that speed. I've not driven the car past 140km/h as it is mostly used for city driving. I've brought it at sufficiently high speeds and I feel its alright as had a C and D segment prior. Ofc one can argue that its not a fair comparison but thing is the Almera can't corner as well but unless there is stray winds I feel its relatively stable. My qualm though is for anyone taller then 6 feet the almera I feel though the seats are decent and sufficient leg room I repeat sufficient, if you are a tall guy putting your leg at the footrest you can feel the steering joint very close to your feet. This Almera has a small 1.0-litre turbocharged engine and the nature of this design is to save fuel. With hard acceleration or driving at high speed, the engine emits a loud and weird sound as the roar of the engine is different from naturally aspirated engine, and it's not a pleasant sound. It's a loud and unpleasant high pitch tin can sound from the small turbo engine if you drive the car aggressively. The sound from the engine gives you a feeling that you are abusing it if the driver does hard acceleration or hitting close to top speed. It's the opposite experience with a powerful 2.0 litre NA engine where the normal robust roar of the engine gives you a feeling of assurance that the vehicle is doing fine even if you push it hard. FWIW I don't feel confident driving the Almera turbo at high speed even at 140km/h due to the soft floaty suspension, and would be less inclined to abuse the car by driving at higher speeds due to the small capacity turbo engine. The nature or advantage of this vehicle is good fuel economy at low city speeds driving and a smooth, comfortable and quiet drive. I actually feel much safer doing 200+ km/h in the Ford Focus than 140km/h in the Almera. The Ford is not only much more powerful but a stable car when driven at high speeds. Well, that's another story. Horses for courses. Most people usually buy Nissan for smooth, comfortable and quiet drive. If you want speed and power then there are better choices, in my experience. But at 120kmh 2k rpm the engine is quite quiet. Not sure how you drive but this car I am very easy on the throttle and let the torque build speed and try level best to keep rpm low. As for sound My personal view it sounds nice from the cabin if you were to compare the S70,X50 or Ativa I feel this has the most refined 3 cylinder. |
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May 30 2024, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 30 2024, 08:52 PM) I've brought it at sufficiently high speeds and I feel its alright as had a C and D segment prior. Ofc one can argue that its not a fair comparison but thing is the Almera can't corner as well but unless there is stray winds I feel its relatively stable. My qualm though is for anyone taller then 6 feet the almera I feel though the seats are decent and sufficient leg room I repeat sufficient, if you are a tall guy putting your leg at the footrest you can feel the steering joint very close to your feet. Right, in terms of stability at high speeds, as I mentioned earlier the fastest I've traveled so far, only once is hitting 140km/h along Kesas highway between PJ and Klang. Along one stretch of the highway it's very undulating and it's where the car lost its composure. Perhaps on good levelled highways the car is stable at higher speeds. However, in direct comparison to the Ford Focus the stability of the car is down two or three notches. The Focus kept its composure very well even though the roads are undulating and not even. Somehow the suspension or chassis is able to contribute to the overall stability of the vehicle when travelling at high speeds even on undulating and uneven roads. The same cannot be said with the Almera as the feeling of the vehicle losing control is prevalent when travelling at high speeds on uneven roads. The wobble or sway of the vehicle from left to right is significantly higher.But at 120kmh 2k rpm the engine is quite quiet. Not sure how you drive but this car I am very easy on the throttle and let the torque build speed and try level best to keep rpm low. As for sound My personal view it sounds nice from the cabin if you were to compare the S70,X50 or Ativa I feel this has the most refined 3 cylinder. As for the loud and annoying tin can roaring sound from the turbo engine, I was referring to pedal to the metal whenever one does hard acceleration. With slow build up of speed ie half pedal to metal, the sound from the engine is still acceptable and not too loud. When travelling close to top speed, one would need to pedal to the metal or you won't get close to the desired speed, so you will get this loud and weird sound from the turbo engine. The message I'm trying to convey from the aforementioned points is it's not advisable to drive the car aggressively by doing pedal to the metal at any given speed ie.when cruising at 60km/h you suddenly wish to quickly burst to 100km/h, or driving close to top speed as shown in the video above since this will put a lot of stress to the small capacity engine, coupled by the loud and weird high pitch tin can sound from the turbo engine. The Almera is not suitable to be driven aggressively anyway as in attacking corners and bends at higher speeds due to the loose steering which does not have much feel. It's more for slow, comfort, quiet and sedate driving, and in this area the Almera excels. This post has been edited by SportyHandling: May 30 2024, 09:42 PM lordgamer3 liked this post
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 30 2024, 08:52 PM) As for sound My personal view it sounds nice from the cabin if you were to compare the S70,X50 or Ativa I feel this has the most refined 3 cylinder. Good to know. It's the small little things that count. Sometimes people just focus on specs such as power, features etc. but there is no "spec" that describes on noise levels or refinement as in vibration from the engine. Yes, to me the level of quietness in the absence of noise in the cabin and vibration from the engine, it's quite good for a vehicle in its class, the Almera. I hope the refinement and quietness of the upcoming Nissan Kicks will be one or two notches higher than this Almera. This post has been edited by SportyHandling: May 30 2024, 09:48 PM lordgamer3 liked this post
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May 31 2024, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ May 30 2024, 09:31 PM) Right, in terms of stability at high speeds, as I mentioned earlier the fastest I've traveled so far, only once is hitting 140km/h along Kesas highway between PJ and Klang. Along one stretch of the highway it's very undulating and it's where the car lost its composure. Perhaps on good levelled highways the car is stable at higher speeds. However, in direct comparison to the Ford Focus the stability of the car is down two or three notches. The Focus kept its composure very well even though the roads are undulating and not even. Somehow the suspension or chassis is able to contribute to the overall stability of the vehicle when travelling at high speeds even on undulating and uneven roads. The same cannot be said with the Almera as the feeling of the vehicle losing control is prevalent when travelling at high speeds on uneven roads. The wobble or sway of the vehicle from left to right is significantly higher. Yep agreed the Almera is more for sedate driving and some overtaking but at 190kmh I think the GB won't be able to sustain those high speeds for a long time as I feel two factors at play here. It uses 0w-20 hence at speeds of 190 kmh the engine oil will wear faster as 0w-20 is more for fuel efficiency hence the oil will prematurely wear faster. Next would be the GB these CVT's are notorious for premature wear hence driving at high speeds will require more frequent GB oil change. That said for a compact car it's certainly the best in its class. Mercedes uses a 4 cylinder 1.3 derivatives for its lower A and C models which speak volumes of this engines potential. As for the loud and annoying tin can roaring sound from the turbo engine, I was referring to pedal to the metal whenever one does hard acceleration. With slow build up of speed ie half pedal to metal, the sound from the engine is still acceptable and not too loud. When travelling close to top speed, one would need to pedal to the metal or you won't get close to the desired speed, so you will get this loud and weird sound from the turbo engine. The message I'm trying to convey from the aforementioned points is it's not advisable to drive the car aggressively by doing pedal to the metal at any given speed ie.when cruising at 60km/h you suddenly wish to quickly burst to 100km/h, or driving close to top speed as shown in the video above since this will put a lot of stress to the small capacity engine, coupled by the loud and weird high pitch tin can sound from the turbo engine. The Almera is not suitable to be driven aggressively anyway as in attacking corners and bends at higher speeds due to the loose steering which does not have much feel. It's more for slow, comfort, quiet and sedate driving, and in this area the Almera excels. However this 3 cylinder variant is not for kaki racing. It was never meant for racing and never will be suitable but that said for day to day overtaking or get go from traffic lights especially if you live in KL this is a lovely little car. However with regards to corners is something I feel a little subjective, it is able to take corners precisely but I feel your issue with it taking corners is primarily due to tail winds not this cars outright ability as it is susceptible to wind direction like a smaller car . The cornering though say if you take at speeds of 80kmh is rather neat and not like a shopping trolley like some.B segments. Tan Chong I think offers some racing bars and stuff have you considered putting those? Heard it improves the cornering significantly but the ride and weight will be compromised. This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 31 2024, 08:35 AM SportyHandling liked this post
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May 31 2024, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 31 2024, 08:26 AM) Yep agreed the Almera is more for sedate driving and some overtaking but at 190kmh I think the GB won't be able to sustain those high speeds for a long time as I feel two factors at play here. It uses 0w-20 hence at speeds of 190 kmh the engine oil will wear faster as 0w-20 is more for fuel efficiency hence the oil will prematurely wear faster. Next would be the GB these CVT's are notorious for premature wear hence driving at high speeds will require more frequent GB oil change. That said for a compact car it's certainly the best in its class. Mercedes uses a 4 cylinder 1.3 derivatives for its lower A and C models which speak volumes of this engines potential. sorry kinda disagree for 0w20 engine oil wear out faster etc, if u read thru the other section of Engine Oil Reviews/Technical talk, with engine oil analysis, the 0w20 provides great protection for the engine. why 0w20 or 0w16 nowadays are purely for better fuel economy but same time they provide great protection from fully synthetic-based oil. Only old man workshop keep pushing customer to use 5w40 cz out hot weather etc. Summary, use manufacturer recommended viscosity.However this 3 cylinder variant is not for kaki racing. It was never meant for racing and never will be suitable but that said for day to day overtaking or get go from traffic lights especially if you live in KL this is a lovely little car. However with regards to corners is something I feel a little subjective, it is able to take corners precisely but I feel your issue with it taking corners is primarily due to tail winds not this cars outright ability as it is susceptible to wind direction like a smaller car . The cornering though say if you take at speeds of 80kmh is rather neat and not like a shopping trolley like some.B segments. Tan Chong I think offers some racing bars and stuff have you considered putting those? Heard it improves the cornering significantly but the ride and weight will be compromised. 3 cylinder vs 4 cylinder, again due to fuel economy reason. |
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May 31 2024, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 31 2024, 08:44 AM) sorry kinda disagree for 0w20 engine oil wear out faster etc, if u read thru the other section of Engine Oil Reviews/Technical talk, with engine oil analysis, the 0w20 provides great protection for the engine. why 0w20 or 0w16 nowadays are purely for better fuel economy but same time they provide great protection from fully synthetic-based oil. Only old man workshop keep pushing customer to use 5w40 cz out hot weather etc. Summary, use manufacturer recommended viscosity. 0w 20 cannot take prolonged heat at high speeds, you see there is a reason why you see German cars use 0w 40 as at higher speeds the oil will be able to sustain the higher temp unlike 0w 20. The nissans cylinder wall is 0.2 mm through some diamond and mold coating similar to the GTR hence would only make sense that they use 20. However 20 is not meant for very high temp for prolonged period hence why it would wear faster. Else why do you see the service intervals significantly lower then turbo Germans?3 cylinder vs 4 cylinder, again due to fuel economy reason. The mirror bore coating i quote from Nissan The process involves spraying and polishing the cylindrical space inside the engine in which the piston moves. During the spraying phase, sparks fly as charged metal wire is blown using gas to atomize the material and coat the inside of the cylinders. In the second stage, a special drill bit is used containing tiny bits of diamonds that were unfit for jewelry. The bit is spun at high speed inside the cylinder to polish the metal until shiny and smooth – giving the process its "mirror bore" name and the cylinder walls a reflective surface. This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 31 2024, 09:19 AM |
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 31 2024, 09:01 AM) 0w 20 cannot take prolonged heat at high speeds, you see there is a reason why you see German cars use 0w 40 as at higher speeds the oil will be able to sustain the higher temp unlike 0w 20. The nissans cylinder wall is 0.2 mm through some diamond and mold coating similar to the GTR hence would only make sense that they use 20. However 20 is not meant for very high temp for prolonged period hence why it would wear faster. Else why do you see the service intervals significantly lower then turbo Germans? What is the service interval anyway? For my Porsches and the Merc, it’s once a year… what’s it for the Japanese makes? |
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May 31 2024, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ May 31 2024, 09:03 AM) What is the service interval anyway? For my Porsches and the Merc, it’s once a year… what’s it for the Japanese makes? 7.5k mileage 6 months for the Almera. Other makes is 10k mileage.But interesting point to note is most professional mechanics say that mileage interval from manufacture is stretched and optimal normally is 60-70 pc of the recommended interval. This holds true cause like a certain German make sayGB oil is lifetime but ZF say every 80k km. This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 31 2024, 09:10 AM hksgmy liked this post
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 31 2024, 09:09 AM) 7.5k mileage 6 months for the Almera. Other makes is 10k mileage. Thanks bro. My cars are all 10k or a year … which was very different from the early cars that I used to drive. Back then it was something like 5k or 6 months for my first Honda City!But interesting point to note is most professional mechanics say that mileage interval from manufacture is stretched and optimal normally is 60-70 pc of the recommended interval. This holds true cause like a certain German make sayGB oil is lifetime but ZF say every 80k km. |
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ May 31 2024, 09:25 AM) Thanks bro. My cars are all 10k or a year … which was very different from the early cars that I used to drive. Back then it was something like 5k or 6 months for my first Honda City! Think mileage 10k is fine bur personally I'd change every 6 months la instead of following 1 year cause oil is cheap but those bearings and internals on those beemers are costly. hksgmy liked this post
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May 31 2024, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 31 2024, 09:01 AM) 0w 20 cannot take prolonged heat at high speeds, you see there is a reason why you see German cars use 0w 40 as at higher speeds the oil will be able to sustain the higher temp unlike 0w 20. The nissans cylinder wall is 0.2 mm through some diamond and mold coating similar to the GTR hence would only make sense that they use 20. However 20 is not meant for very high temp for prolonged period hence why it would wear faster. Else why do you see the service intervals significantly lower then turbo Germans? as mentioned, there are few oil analysis sample for 0w20 on the thread mentioned, no issue for engine concern, let alone heat at high speed. GT86 with 0w20 no issue for the engine wearing etc. Again follow car manufacturer's engine oil viscosity.btw the same engine 1.0T use 10k km service interval while TCM use shorter interval for profit? This post has been edited by ayamxxx: May 31 2024, 09:47 AM Attached File(s)
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May 31 2024, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 31 2024, 09:46 AM) as mentioned, there are few oil analysis sample for 0w20 on the thread mentioned, no issue for engine concern, let alone heat at high speed. GT86 with 0w20 no issue for the engine wearing etc. Again follow car manufacturer's engine oil viscosity. https://images.app.goo.gl/u4eMoh6n1q59gVw89btw the same engine 1.0T use 10k km service interval while TCM use shorter interval for profit? For day to day use it is fine and you cant change 0w 20 to 40 because 40 is too heavy for modern engines and may potentially damage engines made for lighter weight oil but can clearly see how 40 doesn't break down as much at higher temp vs 20. This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 31 2024, 10:39 AM |
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 31 2024, 08:26 AM) Yep agreed the Almera is more for sedate driving and some overtaking but at 190kmh I think the GB won't be able to sustain those high speeds for a long time as I feel two factors at play here. It uses 0w-20 hence at speeds of 190 kmh the engine oil will wear faster as 0w-20 is more for fuel efficiency hence the oil will prematurely wear faster. Next would be the GB these CVT's are notorious for premature wear hence driving at high speeds will require more frequent GB oil change. That said for a compact car it's certainly the best in its class. Mercedes uses a 4 cylinder 1.3 derivatives for its lower A and C models which speak volumes of this engines potential. Yes agreed. This Almera is very good for KL city driving. We haven't brought it to outstation highway trip yet but believe it would be equally satisfactory when traveling within the speed limit or slightly above. However this 3 cylinder variant is not for kaki racing. It was never meant for racing and never will be suitable but that said for day to day overtaking or get go from traffic lights especially if you live in KL this is a lovely little car. However with regards to corners is something I feel a little subjective, it is able to take corners precisely but I feel your issue with it taking corners is primarily due to tail winds not this cars outright ability as it is susceptible to wind direction like a smaller car . The cornering though say if you take at speeds of 80kmh is rather neat and not like a shopping trolley like some.B segments. Tan Chong I think offers some racing bars and stuff have you considered putting those? Heard it improves the cornering significantly but the ride and weight will be compromised. As for cornering capabilities, I haven't really driven the car like I used to on my (currently sold) Ford Focus since the Almera is mainly driven by my dad. However, it's decently capable mainly due to suspension. IT's just the steering feel which lacks feedback, accuracy and sharpness for spirited drives but in normal driving there are no complaints. In other words the steering of the Almera feels a bit loose. Yes, I did look at the Ultra Racing bars before as Nissan's service centre actually provide installation of these Ultra racing bars Stage 1 and 2. However, I didn't proceed with it as I felt that the Almera is fine as it is and for the fact that we are all satisfied by the way it handles, as a family-orientated comfort sedan. I don't drive the way I used to drive (on the Ford Focus) as it's now mostly slow and sedate driving. Nowadays the criteria is more to slow and comfort driving than fast and furious racing on the race tracks. lordgamer3 liked this post
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ May 31 2024, 01:15 PM) Yes agreed. This Almera is very good for KL city driving. We haven't brought it to outstation highway trip yet but believe it would be equally satisfactory when traveling within the speed limit or slightly above. Yes certainly agree the feedback is ok but a bit vague unlike older Protons or Continental cars. Btw nice ride 👌 As for cornering capabilities, I haven't really driven the car like I used to on my (currently sold) Ford Focus since the Almera is mainly driven by my dad. However, it's decently capable mainly due to suspension. IT's just the steering feel which lacks feedback, accuracy and sharpness for spirited drives but in normal driving there are no complaints. In other words the steering of the Almera feels a bit loose. Yes, I did look at the Ultra Racing bars before as Nissan's service centre actually provide installation of these Ultra racing bars Stage 1 and 2. However, I didn't proceed with it as I felt that the Almera is fine as it is and for the fact that we are all satisfied by the way it handles, as a family-orientated comfort sedan. I don't drive the way I used to drive (on the Ford Focus) as it's now mostly slow and sedate driving. Nowadays the criteria is more to slow and comfort driving than fast and furious racing on the race tracks. |
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 31 2024, 08:26 AM) Yep agreed the Almera is more for sedate driving and some overtaking but at 190kmh I think the GB won't be able to sustain those high speeds for a long time as I feel two factors at play here. It uses 0w-20 hence at speeds of 190 kmh the engine oil will wear faster as 0w-20 is more for fuel efficiency hence the oil will prematurely wear faster. Next would be the GB these CVT's are notorious for premature wear hence driving at high speeds will require more frequent GB oil change. That said for a compact car it's certainly the best in its class. Mercedes uses a 4 cylinder 1.3 derivatives for its lower A and C models which speak volumes of this engines potential. 80kph take corner how many lanes? junction turn max berapa.However this 3 cylinder variant is not for kaki racing. It was never meant for racing and never will be suitable but that said for day to day overtaking or get go from traffic lights especially if you live in KL this is a lovely little car. However with regards to corners is something I feel a little subjective, it is able to take corners precisely but I feel your issue with it taking corners is primarily due to tail winds not this cars outright ability as it is susceptible to wind direction like a smaller car . The cornering though say if you take at speeds of 80kmh is rather neat and not like a shopping trolley like some.B segments. Tan Chong I think offers some racing bars and stuff have you considered putting those? Heard it improves the cornering significantly but the ride and weight will be compromised. |
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Hi guys, i recently bought this car 2nd hand (2021 VLT), i would like all sifus to confirm if my car is normal or need to service
1. When i tried to accelerate from T junction, there are throttle lag. There are 0.5-1 second delay until the power kicks in, is that cvt issue or is it my engine problem? 2. I do not know what the sport mode does, it doesn't provide the kick like Ativa when in Power mode. Ativa's power mode had more kick, but almera's do not have any effect, is is my car's problem? 3. what tyres do you all recommend to reduce the humming noise when cruising? Still had the original tyres. 4. I do not owned any turbo car before, is there anything i need to look out of? |
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