Has anyone tried to stop but still come back even bet a small amount?
Because "Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit".

When u lose everything u feel depress but when u win big that moment only last maybe 1-7 days.
What is the best advise we all can use here?

it's all adrenalin, you pay for adrenalin

i play once in a while, limit to once a month max. never more than that

keep a rule for yourself and STICK to it.

play little for fun, not to the extent you risk your saving and retirement and family fund.

Find other "poison" to replace it.

I think the best advice is this: you need to consider how far the odds are against you. If you have an edge (you have an advantage of some sort, whether it is information, skill - although gamblers usually overrate themselves), then only is it wise to do it long term.

There is no point in gambling in a game where you have a net disadvantage before you even make a bet - you can see games and the dealer's edge online. Over 1,000 games why are you surprised if you come out with a loss. Principally, it the only thing that keeps you going is "this is the one" - when statistically you're going to lose.

In short: accept you're going to lose money if you're entering a negative EV (expected value) of the outcome of your gambling. Don't expect to win money. If you win money, you got lucky and that's it. If you keep gambling, you're statistically going to lose it. The only thing you should continuously enter are positive EV bets - and those aren't found in the casino. You're going to dig yourself into a bigger hole with negative EV bets.

Do productive thing & let the productive activity improving your life financially.

Gambling is actually counter productive activity & bring no value to the life (apart for entertainment). When I was small, I used to gamble with family, either playing cards or mahjong. At the end of the session, you either win the money from your family members or lose the money to your family members. The amount of the money is close loop. End of the day, you loose all the time playing the stupid games which can be used to do more memorable stuffs.

If you gamble externally, you must able to do these

1) Have the thinking that the money lost will not make come back, stop thinking of revenge gambling. Just call it a quick & you will be good. 99.9% gamblers can't quit because they cannot let go the money they have lost to date. They always have thinking, I just need 1 last round to recoup the losses but that last round never last, they got trapped further & further.

2) Stop the urge to get immediate monetary gain. Every thing need time. If you cannot overcome this, your will be exploited mentally into gambling because only gambling will give you immediate lose/win result.

Once an old man said, if you are alcoholic, you might quit when your liver damaged, gallbladder removed, or any serious illness appear, But If you are a gambler, you bankrupt, wife died, children died, you die die continue gambling.


I think it's might true. Gambling is harder to quit than smoking and alcohol, because there always have changes to get something out of it.

Maybe professional can help. With self restriction, not many people can do that. Other gambler will be the devil to drag you back to the hell. Unless you totally cut off the circle

Simple . Gamble the money that u can afford to lose . Dont ever ever gamble till u need to borrow or get loan .

Gambling is never a good thing.

This is why..

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160721...people-gambling

That scary？
I don't know why, I just can't get attracted by gambling.
I only gamble during CNY. But those just let my nephews, niece and cousin happy. I purposely lose for them for their CNY pocket money.
Rare occasion I few extremely lucky even want to lose also difficult.

But still feel no attracted. I am more attracted by the environment surrounded by laugh and happiness during gambling at CNY.

This post has been edited by e_mc_square: Sep 26 2022, 03:55 PM

Slowly lower your stake.. feed your addiction with lower bets.

I mean, just look at that production.

Give yourself the fighting chance bro

addicted to gamble usually means u dun have hobby or interest to try anything that's away from ur knowledge, hence look for fun or adrenaline rush from something that can easily achieve by using money

i'd suggest u go and explore into something else that might gain ur interest

Just wanted to share my story and a story of my former business partner.

My parent retire early as they own several businesses that they started from scratch and it's in a stage where they no longer need to participate that much in managing it. An associate / friend from same industry of them brought them to Genting, introduced into gambling, particularly Baccarat. Weird to say, they initially won quite a sum from numerous trips. About 2-3 trips / week. They have those weird ideas / strategy and whenever I chat with them, it's always about gambling. Then they started to lose money, mostly because they more comfortable to bet bigger and to try on their so-called strategy. In just 6 months, they lost about 800K. I mean it's their money, can't really say much as a son. But, their behaviour change into more aggressive especially when they lose money. Genting doesn't help but entice them with repeated offer of upgrades, from normal card to silver to gold plus. Free rooms, free concerts, free bunch of stuff especially if you buy their non-redeemable chips. The relationship between my parents is also down because of the constant argument, something like my Dad not following the discussed strategy or my Mom doing impulsive betting, etc. So, about a year into their worsening relationship and not to mention the loss of over a million plus, me and my siblings gave an ultimatum, and also bring them to those Buddhist sort of gathering, and thankfully, it's like a demon removed from them. Nowadays, they only go like once a month, and it's just like a leisure vacation. I mean, money is nothing, but relations went down the drain, easily agitated, and relate everything with gambling.

I have a business partner in doing importing and exporting pre-owned, he came from family of founding fathers of our nation, the old money. So, every generation has it's worst offspring and my friend's father happened to be the one. Youngest among siblings, if I'm not mistaken, he was given land and cash worth about RM5Mil and that's in 1980's. That guy can gamble everything away, bankrupt and become a taxi driver before my business partner even started secondary school in 1990's. There's always people knocking on the door, and my friend and his family have to keep quiet in a room, pretending no one is home, always live in fear, and you thought the father learned his lesson, sadly no. Whatever he earned, he gambled. The mom have to resort to washing dishes at restaurant to supplement the income. My friend hates gambler, to the level that he doesn't tolerate gambling during CNY.

So, my friend, gambling has no future. It's not just about losing money. Money is nothing, but you loses more than that.

Try to bet with finger

If u lost one finger doubt u will continue gamble

You don't quit gambling. You out-smart others in gambling and you win.

You are not betting on the odds, you are betting in what you believe in. That is confidence.

Live life in self confidence, believing in yourself.

Thank me later

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Sep 26 2022, 05:36 PM

I only gamble money i’m willing to lose

Say i go genting i set 5k, if lose all then i go home lor. If win is like bonus

Magnum motto "ada magnum, ada surprise"...
Bet small win small, bet big win big ...
Bet Rm2 if kena complain why no bet big abit .
Bet Rm20 if no kena complain why bet so big pulak .
Tepuk dada ikut selera ok....
Sekian

wah ur dad so rich lost 1 mil, macam normal saja.

becoz i know im too poor to lose

that is how my friend ruined his life before graduation

Came across this article. Hope it helps someone.

All of us are controlled by habits good or bad.

Gambling, over eating, not exercising, too much of gaming etc all of it same same. Habit.

So . . . .

Hack your habits

It's one thing to do something good once, it's quite another to embrace it as a consistent aspect of your life. Luckily, four simple steps can get you there.

Habits are built on four pillars: cue, craving, response, reward.

A cue lets your brain know a reward is close by; a craving is your motivation to act on the cue; a response is the action itself; and the reward is what you get for performing the action.

How can you use this information? If you want to create a good habit: Make the cue obvious; make the craving attractive; make the response easy; and make the reward satisfying.

Let's say you're feeling stressed (cue). You want to relieve the stress (craving), so you pull out your handy pocket journal and write a few words about how you're feeling (response).

The result is that you gain emotional clarity (reward), and writing in your journal becomes a positive trigger when encountering stress (habit formed).

If you want to break a bad habit, just flip the above: Make the cue invisible; make the craving unattractive; make the response difficult; and make the reward unsatisfying.

Link to full article here

https://www.inc.com/nick-hobson/elon-musk-i...to-science.html

This post has been edited by trinity3: Sep 26 2022, 08:26 PM

Go Coursera and take Behavioural Finance course. You will know everything.

I really appreciate that everyone have their stories.
What Im trying to do right now to build back my financial record.

find another "addiction" , can be in the form of hobby, relationship (spouse, child)...try meditation to do some inner soul searching..

good luck TS.

Betting small amount and within your capability to lose is ok for me. If you win, you will be happy; if you lose, you wont feel so much pain too as it is a small amount.

Uncontrolled additive gambling is the issue, where one spend lots of time and money (self and borrowed) to gamble.

Quit??? HAHA, don't be that silly. Once you start gambling, you can't stop; nobody can.

Actually, you're afraid to gamble again. And this fear gives people the impression that they have given up. Since we are still only human, no one has been able to help us with gambling addiction until now.

Most of these "drug users" detoxified once they understood the price of continuing. The only option is to step outside consciously. Since you're addicted, nobody could really help you stop; you just have fear of entering. Don't admit? If you are aware that your luck has managed to improve, you can assume. You might describe this as an opportunity.

Sorry to be too realistic, but people can only help to learn by themselves.

It's addictive
I kinda plunge into this mess a while back.
In game. Loot box.
After a while I look at the amount I spend for nothing and get nothing. I just kinda stay away from anything gambling or something similar.

The best part is that I started to laugh at people who gambling. Maybe it's reminding of my addiction back then

Don't EVER think you know shit about gambling. There will ALWAYS be someone better and odds are always stacked against you. That's how gambling dens make money otherwise they wouldn't bother operating if there are so many "skilled" people out there.

When I was young, every year I sit down to play mahjong with my aunts and my eldest aunt will say, "Here to give me ang pow again this year?". Which is 99% true because I will kalah all my new year money to her.

The best advice is don't even start. But if you're already knee-deep in it, the next best thing is find other ways to get your adrenaline fix. Maybe try playing competitive TCGs or esports. At least those have a hardcap in spending and there is real skill involved.

there was one time i ran from rm1000 to rm20,000 from online, but i couldnt cash out them all because I was scared my saving account kena blocked, so i kept some of the money inside still and proceed to lose them all lol

Out of 10 fellers that gambles, there will be 1 feller that will be hooked on to it like drugs.

That 1 feller will get so addicted he will find ways to gamble more and more and more not for the money, but for the thrill, for the relaxation and escape from real world issues.

Once that 1 feller reach that stage, only hope is to cut all ties and go cold turkey or fill up time with other activities just like a drug addict quitting.

For casual gamblers, pray hard your are not the 1 person hooked into it. So best to stay away from gambling cuz once addicted it will no longer be the same. Just like a smoker will never be a casual smoker again.

This post has been edited by cms: Sep 27 2022, 11:50 AM

seek a licensed counsellor/psychologist

It is good that you are able to pull yourself out. probably you can share with TS how u managed to stay away from that.

sudah bro nk tinggal bila kau masih ada duit hmm..nasib after i kawen auto tinggal semua yg "illegal"..i sendiri pun tak tau mcm mane boleh huhu

should do more research and studying on all the odds and games in the casino. find the loop hole that gives you the most odds and learn how to make money from there

seeing you have the impeccable interest to learn, better change the habit into money making habit

gamble but be the best !!

Yes, eventho you start betting low but you end up losing big.
Now I much more determine to recover my financial

Actually if you use strategy and play only based on bonus, it's possible to win.

Even lose also will not be a lot because the bonus they give you is not alot also.

Like someone said, based on ev.

lmao, wont get block la, nobody ask you to cashout 20k 1 shot but even if you cashout 20k 1 shot, no big deal also

imagine everyday how many ppl do COD for big cash items or even bank transfer for any business

Yes, based on my experience u wont get blocked.
I did get cashout of 16k, 12k, & 9k in 3 consecutive days.

Sighh winning is fun but you end up using all amount to recover everything. Then it trigged to win back from previous loses.

If i got mood and the chances look/feel favorable, I'll spend a few ringgit on toto etc. Otherwise i don't even bother to think about it.

Best advice: DO NOT GAMBLE. Full stop.

To all who wanted to quit gambling or any sort of related things lets do it together. I will try my best to update how the days goes.

to me i hate gambling because it shows how uncaring people are.

i view gambling addiction similarly to intelligence. different people have different intelligence. some are born smart and are geniuses. some... simply arent that smart. i have a friend who cant do maths. i know people who have the mental age of a child.

the problem with casinos is people get away with exploiting "weaker minded" people. "normal" people tend to be the most heartless saying that the gambling addicts are idiots and deserve what they get (crippling debt). people reason that, "i can stop gambling, why cant they".

different mental capacity bro. grow a bigger heart.

we need more regulations.

freedom is good but sometimes too much freedom leads to ruin.

And it doesn't help that we have newspapers reporting so-and-so strikes RMxxmillion.... This strengthens the "got buy got chance" thinking.

I am just curious, u did gambling or betting? because if gambling yes it's possible to win and lose a lot because you're not in control on the odds/probability unless you're those maths genius

This post has been edited by KcX35: Sep 30 2022, 11:59 AM

Should ban Gambling in first place

With technology it is easier to gamble these days.Don't need to physically got to casino anymore.Numerous online betting sites a mushrooming everywhere.I myself got hooked and lost a significant amount of money to it.Promised i would stop every time i lost big but till today i am unable to.

Stop looking.. if there is any gambling news or chance… just run away


Find other healthier hobbies to pass your time such as playing online chess

Maybe try have a bank account that you don't have access to atm card or online banking. Make a monthly deposit upon receiving your pay or a portion of net profit if you are doing business. Remove all gambling apps as well.

once a gambler, forever is a gambler

Truth

dont know y u guyz like to gamble....bcause i am the 1 that set the motherboard of slot machine

YOLO

No way to stop one just like drug addiction. As long as you can access to money and there is a supply of gambling/drugs, you would purchase it. Unless the fingers are chopped.

look at old people, whose family and lies got messed up due to gambling

their stories will be your inspiration to stop gambling

For ppl like you maybe.

what is your goal when you gamble? isit the thrill or you wanna get rich? dont listen to people who say you can get rich gambling.

if you have family, think of them, dont gamble till you lose everything and affect their life.

forex games is the way to go

Interesting topic

play some thousand, if never win just quit. easy

need to ask self, what is gambling to you?

what goes on in the head when u put the money down?
what happens to you when u win? and when u lose?

all these are fleeting moments that determines how to reduce and avoid it
which is why for some ppl, stopping gambling is not about setting rules, being discipline, blocking access etc, it's all in the head.

find something better to look forward to

when you're holding that money and have the time, you're more inclined to do something else than heading to the table

until a certain level, you can stand in front the table, and walk away
or, leave that gambling app in the phone and won't even bother to launch it

Hi all, I'm wondering if nowadays got Ads regarding Casinos in Lowyat Forum? I think this is my first time seeing this after 16 years

Its always lose for a gambler. The person may initially win but end up losing a lot. By statistically & mathematics, the house always win in the long run. Gamblers just don't have the capacity to run & keep with the pace.

If not, why casinos business are growing both physical & online. If not due to law control, everybody will jump & involve in this business.

For layman, find a fullfilling alternative hobby instead. To those compulsive gamblers, its not too late to stop & save your own life....

i'm not addicted to gambling. just play simple poker / blackjack with friends occasionally.. losing or winning in the range of RM30. but during the last World Cup, tried online betting and at one time, losing up to RM1.2k... managed to reduce to RM500.. then in Euro, again tried betting and lost RM700 although at one time was winning RM300. so yea, no matter what happens, will end up losing in the end. So this coming WC, not gonna bet. better spend the money on booze.

gambling is just for fun, whatever buy in i put in I just treat it as entertainment fee, win or lose is secondary.

Why genting so fucking rich? Because house always win.

go to church. that helped many ppl

not that they always win. It's the addiction problem. So even if you win a million, you won't stop and then will lose back.

They manipulate the end result also. Pretty sure of that.

Actually, they are pretty stupid. Because they never came out with a strategy on how to win. Of course if you just simply put you will lose. Actually, I see how ppl act, I already know what kind of ppl they are already. Those ppl who loose money are those kind of taxi drivers etc. Go buy lottery with almost zero chance of winning. And dun use strategy or too dumb to think of 1.

upgrade

gamble the stock market

people wont say you gambling

Share you a story, my secondary schoolmate who love gamble and let's call him "Mr.O". Even in school, this guy would gamble like almost anything. Imagine this, in hari sukan, he managed to gather some students for a bet. Say 100m sprint race, which house from which grade will win etc. Even in chess tournament, he still do the same shit. Now he ended up in overseas, I don't know where but here's why he ran away.

Is he rich? No he just like us, from mid level family, not rich not poor.

After graduated from secondary school, like most of us here we lost contact with some of our schoolmate. and some still be friend with us until the end I think, well you get the point.

On year 2018, I met one of my schoolmate on sepang circuit. He's running a car painting business with his uncle, so we catching up a bit. Then he mentioned Mr. O, then I remember this guy love gamble and I jokingly ask "What he ran a casino in Genting now?". Surprisingly. after graduate he kind of jobless, ended up guarding those illegal slot or mesin kuda as we know. That one gamble he made, a soccer game(I don't know which matches or team). My friend said Mr. O lost huge sum of money, sold almost everything including his car and kapcai bike to cover the lost. His parent found out, force him to move out and work with his aunt in her restaurant(Been there few times when we were in secondary school). That gambling habit still there, same shit but this time he cannot cover the lost. People start coming to find him in his aunt restaurant, even his parent's house. The family cannot tahan, disown him and cast him out. My friend said he heard Mr. O ran to Thailand, Singapore or Australia or maybe still in Malaysia, no one know.

From that story, bet big or small, if you cannot cover the lost, don't do it. My advice is try looking for other hobby, spend your money wisely or on your hobby. Get a gunpla, drone, maybe modify cars, gaming computer or anything but gambling.

i just play texas poker hold em for free but still losing
but is a good reminder of not involving with real money in gambling

This post has been edited by cikalakacikaci: Nov 10 2022, 08:14 AM

Mathematically, there is no need to do so.

What happen if a rich man just come along and slam a hundred k single bet.

Actually, some of the players you play against are probably bots

House can decide whether to take the bet or not.
But there is no need to manipulate the result.
Only superstitious gambler think so.

Actually they cannot. Especially in VIP rooms
And where does superstition comes into the picture.

i have a budget whenever i enter casino and will not top up if i lose it all. It sucks when lose, but then, i still walk away, no issue.

On the other hand, investment burn my hand so hard with so-called DCA, i stop it as well, just put in FD. The money i lost in investment is much much more than gambling.

Even the house lose on a single large large bet, they will get it back by treating the winner w alot of perks. As long as he keep coming back, there is no escape.
Some superstitious gambler may think the house rear ghost to manipulate the result... Bla

This post has been edited by Singh_Kalan: Nov 10 2022, 09:28 AM

Avoid genting
avoid gambling dens
avoid internet gambling
if credit is easy access, cut them fast.
limit ur credit card limits.

Obviously when I talk about manipulation means like controling where the ball lands in roulette etc

Love to gamble so much but dun come up with strategies

The only long term strategy is not play, bro.

The next best best strat is to stick to roulette. It has the best odds of all the other games apparently.

Good. Quit now before its too late...

i'd nvr believed that one can 100% quit gambling. so be it smoking/drinking
it aint called a habit for nothing. even if u do away the 'hab' one still have 'it'

Bacarrat got better odds la. Yes best strategy is not play.

habit can be change to like learning martial arts or talking to girls
at least these can have positive effect on your life

there are very few people can sustain themselves by gambling. Even my circles there are people i know are professional poker players. They always have side business or hustles to sustain.

The house is always raising the rakes trying to destroy the ecosystem because the big boss is casino.

There is no strategy that can guarantee you winning 100% of the time over the long run. Otherwise casino won't be so rich. Even card counting strategy can be destroyed by the casino by simply shuffling the cards.

when you always win, that when the problem starts.

I got relatives.... go genting gamble. first is for fun spend Rm500-2000 to gamble during holidays, etc...
win win win... all the time. Decided to up the pot since always win, RM5000-10,000

still win win win... and then start to go down hill from there onwards.
Gamble more and more, hoping to win and recover the loss.

Initially like won over 200k, end up lost like 500-1m, we dont really know how much lost already.
borrow ah long money, sell all the valuables, etc...

according to another relative also who always go gamble, when you gamble big and gamble small for fun, your attitude or behaviour changes
it is no longer for fun but the trill and when you go down hill, you will want to chase it back and quit. but you will not quit and still chase.

if you are up, either stop or reduce the frequency or amount.

I used to go genting a lot many years back, every week also go, win target RM50-200, cover fuel and makan minum there. After knowing this relative story I also stop gambling, petrol/toll/makan is small amount only, attitude at genting also change to lighter mood.

Gambling to get rich ❎
Gambling for fun ✅

Actually there are ways of actually winning in sports betting. And there are actually professional sports betters around. I am not a professional but I have a consistent winning record over this few months or even for the previous years(But maybe no lose no win)

Malaysians are just too unsophisticated to see that.

But then what can I say. Most of the ppl who gamble here are those ah pek types. What I can say.

Anyway. Most of you are probably even going to report this post. I have a person in the badminton forum getting so upset with me when I said I was winning consistently.

There is a difference between ordinary ppl vs me. Based on my post, you guys should have already realized that I actually use analytics and strategies. But it's ok. Most of you are "uncles" anyway.

And I even dare say that my "luck" is not that good also.

This post has been edited by BrookLes: Nov 11 2022, 06:54 AM

donate all your money to the poor then u immediately quit gambling

why they upset? there are alwasy people like LLK and always wining as they do a lot of homework to win

In order to win over the house in long term, you need to cheat. No amount of strategy or analytic can win over. The law of probability holds.

It's ok.
You probably do not get it.

I believe those once addicted to gambling/smoking/drinking can never be a social gambler/smoking etc ever again cuz it might awaken the sleeping demon in their mind.

So the only way is to never start again once stop.

And also they cannot make it such that everyone loses. So there are always loopholes.

And you cannot make it such that you have a high probability of winning?

In sports betting there are odds like say betting someone to win is only 0.01. Of course this one have a high probability of winning but returns is very low.

But ppl like you probably cannot even understand basic stuff.

Everyone losses 100% in the long run at casinos
Its the law of probability