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post Apr 25 2024, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Apr 25 2024, 04:43 PM)
I’m very worried to read stories like these - it’s one thing if you gamble in RM but if you do it in SGD, the losses are 3.5 times the size…

It’s mind blowing scary
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But u might win 3.5x more mah.. Hehe.. Gambling is like that.. A lot of risks involved

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post Apr 25 2024, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(ctys2012 @ Apr 25 2024, 05:12 PM)
of course have to shelter him la... so old already, no eye see already, its not like im not doing well... just have to start from nothing lo
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U good. At least he still knows come back find his son you.

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post Apr 25 2024, 05:53 PM

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There is bad side & good side of the gambling. While majority will feels that the gambling has more negative influence, it doesn't mean that gambling itself do not do good at all.

When I'm coaching my younger generation (limiting them to play during CNY only), I let them decide themselves the good & bad. I tell them to harness the good side of the gambling instead of being controlled by the gambling on the bad side.

What good do gambling do ? Daily decision making.
When you got a good cards - you focus on offense / leverage.
When you got a bad cards - you focus on damage control - as long as not losing the most = win.

In life, we will not get the best case scenario all the time, when we are in such position, be ready to optimize the scenario. When we are at the bad condition, we don't focus on the winning, we focus on defense / minimize the losses as much as possible. It trains brain on the strategy play almost akin to chess games - card games like lavi, chor dai dee, poker (etc).

2nd - it simulates the maths. You will be dealing with +-x/ at each games & you will be so serious with it because you are dealing with real money.

The bad thing of gambling - it is zero sum games. You do not create value to society & world. This element need to be discovered by gamblers themselves. Once they got bored winning/losing the money from/to their close family / relative / friends, they will cease to engage in gambling.

For the vast majority, it may sound too complicated. The best way to protect them will be asking them not to start.

It is just like drug - if you abuse the drug usage & you will become a junky . However, if you are trained to handle drug with correct dosage for medical purpose, ppl will know you as a pharmacist.
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post Apr 25 2024, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(neowing @ Apr 24 2024, 02:51 PM)
Keep bullet for Euro 2024. HUAT ah may all bro here win ong ong
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Euro 2024, which month?
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Apr 25 2024, 05:53 PM)
There is bad side & good side of the gambling. While majority will feels that the gambling has more negative influence, it doesn't mean that gambling itself do not do good at all.

When I'm coaching my younger generation (limiting them to play during CNY only), I let them decide themselves the good & bad. I tell them to harness the good side of the gambling instead of being controlled by the gambling on the bad side.

What good do gambling do ? Daily decision making.
When you got a good cards - you focus on offense / leverage.
When you got a bad cards - you focus on damage control - as long as not losing the most = win.

In life, we will not get the best case scenario all the time, when we are in such position, be ready to optimize the scenario. When we are at the bad condition, we don't focus on the winning, we focus on defense / minimize the losses as much as possible. It trains brain on the strategy play almost akin to chess games - card games like lavi, chor dai dee, poker (etc).

2nd - it simulates the maths. You will be dealing with +-x/ at each games & you will be so serious with it because you are dealing with real money.

The bad thing of gambling - it is zero sum games. You do not create value to society & world. This element need to be discovered by gamblers themselves. Once they got bored winning/losing the money from/to their close family / relative / friends, they will cease to engage in gambling.

For the vast majority, it may sound too complicated. The best way to protect them will be asking them not to start.

It is just like drug - if you abuse the drug usage & you will become a junky . However, if you are trained to handle drug with correct dosage for medical purpose, ppl will know you as a pharmacist.
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Medically speaking, some are more prone to the risks of addiction from gambling than others because of the way their neural pathways are formed genetically. Some are just more sensitive to dopamine highs than others.
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post Apr 26 2024, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Apr 25 2024, 09:45 PM)
Medically speaking, some are more prone to the risks of addiction from gambling than others because of the way their  neural pathways are formed genetically. Some are just more sensitive to dopamine highs than others.
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That aspect, I can't say much but from my personal observation.

Paternal side:

1)My grandfather gambles only for mahjong, Chinese chess & Go chess but he set his time to engage in such activity. There were sequence of priority of his daily tasks over gambling. Gambling is the least priority.
2)My grandmother gambles on mahjong, hardcore on 3d & 4d.
3)My father followed my grandmother traits - mahjong, 3d, 4d, Chinese chess, cards, Casino occasionally.
4)My mother-mahjong, 3d, 4d, casino on monthly.
5)My 2nd,3rd & 4th Uncle - only mahjong on tactical play - I was trained hands on what options can a player make, what were the consequences.

Maternal side:
1)My grandfather gambles only mahjong on tactical play. Also same, there are sequence of priority of daily tasks over gambling. Gambling is the least priority.
2)Uncles & aunties - all gambling stuffs they play, horse betting, 3d,4d until Singapore counter & Sabah Sarawak counters can bet.

Within my siblings: none of us are showing any gambling addiction. After some time, we feel it is more like wasting time to engage in such activity.

The dopamine thing, I believe it is more related to the amount of the money place on the bet and it is an aspect that can be trained. If the amount of bet is insignificant or the reward amount is the quantum that you have the capability to deal with in daily life, you will not feel excited about it. It is kind of risk reward ratio stuff. Imagine you play mahjong, each set winning the most you get RM10 per game but you are making >>> than this amount daily, you will feel this activity is very counter productive, as there a better thing to do.

Whereas, if every single game can give 1k or 10k or 100k - an prize reward amount, which you still have yet to attain the knowledge to handle it in your daily life, you will feel super excited.

The majority of the ppl engaged in the gambling because they are cornered in the life. They feel there is no better, faster, productive way to earn living than gambling.

Try to win the prize but end up loosing their capital they can't afford.
After loosing the capital they can't afford, thinking of recouping losses by revenge gambling.
The revenge gambling soon turned tragedy, when they losses more of the capital not owned by them.
That will by a very typical cycle.
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post Apr 26 2024, 09:19 AM

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As a chinese, even on CNY we never gamble. That was how my generation was taught since we were born.

But occasionally we do play cards and mah jong etc without the money just to have fun.

Though I do have an uncle that goes to Genting every sunday without fail to gamble. The way he did was only bring a set amount of cash (a few hundreds maybe, not sure) and just lose it all and come back. Just to satisfy his addiction.
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post Apr 26 2024, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(yongkt @ Apr 26 2024, 09:19 AM)
As a chinese, even on CNY we never gamble. That was how my generation was taught since we were born.

But occasionally we do play cards and mah jong etc without the money just to have fun.

Though I do have an uncle that goes to Genting every sunday without fail to gamble. The way he did was only bring a set amount of cash (a few hundreds maybe, not sure) and just lose it all and come back. Just to satisfy his addiction.
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I ve seen some hardcore gamblers going Genting with even only Rm50 ...
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post Apr 26 2024, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(-PuPu^ZaPruD3r- @ Apr 25 2024, 05:18 PM)
But u might win 3.5x more mah.. Hehe.. Gambling is like that.. A lot of risks involved
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Wahlao…. This is dangerous mathematics bro hahahaha
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post Apr 26 2024, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(galkelly @ Apr 26 2024, 10:03 AM)
I ve seen some hardcore gamblers going Genting with even only Rm50 ...
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That one not call hardcore , he lose what he have then good . Hardcore r those lose already then keep find way to borrow and continue gamble .
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post Apr 26 2024, 10:25 PM

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post Apr 27 2024, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Apr 26 2024, 08:42 AM)
The dopamine thing, I believe it is more related to the amount of the money place on the bet and it is an aspect that can be trained. If the amount of bet is insignificant or the reward amount is the quantum that you have the capability to deal with in daily life, you will not feel excited about it. It is kind of risk reward ratio stuff. Imagine you play mahjong, each set winning the most you get RM10 per game but you are making >>> than this amount daily, you will feel this activity is very counter productive, as there a better thing to do.

Whereas, if every single game can give 1k or 10k or 100k - an prize reward amount, which you still have yet to attain the knowledge to handle it in your daily life, you will feel super excited.

The majority of the ppl engaged in the gambling because they are cornered in the life. They feel there is no better, faster, productive way to earn living than gambling.

Try to win the prize but end up loosing their capital they can't afford.
After loosing the capital they can't afford, thinking of recouping losses by revenge gambling.
The revenge gambling soon turned tragedy, when they losses more of the capital not owned by them.
That will by a very typical cycle.
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Of course the dopamine generated is depending on the amount you place. Just like if you only take 0.001gram of methamphetamine, you are unlikely to feel anything which is like you play RM5.00 per game. Just like this scenario below I saw my friend screamed like seeing CR7 scoring free kick against Spain 2018.

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post Apr 29 2024, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Alex9892 @ Apr 26 2024, 08:01 PM)
That one not call hardcore , he lose what he have then good . Hardcore r those lose already then keep find way to borrow and continue gamble .
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usually ah longs readily available...

my dad din get home 1 day at genting and not dare to pick up my mum call, so my mum called me and call him...
apparently he borrowed 6k from ah long with his car as collateral, his keys with ah long... so i had to ask my sis to help since she working in genting to get the car back

thats how shitty it went... its a hilux by the way...

those that bring rm 100 or 200 to lose and go home still ok... but i also know some still went out of control after some time...

it is still a good idea not to start....

play during cny is still ok with cousin because its fun... never over indulge + revenge gambling cos the loser is always yourself...
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QUOTE(Alex9892 @ Apr 26 2024, 08:01 PM)
That one not call hardcore , he lose what he have then good . Hardcore r those lose already then keep find way to borrow and continue gamble .
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Like I said, leisure gambling is ok but never chase losses.

Cannot let go, don't gamble. Never gamble with money you cannot lose.

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post Aug 16 2024, 11:04 PM

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Why quit, LOL? You just need to be smart enough to cash out on time + choose your gambling platform wisely.

I usually gamble 2-3 times a month maximum, and my main rule here is to gamble with the money I can afford to lose.

Besides that, I do my own research to find online casinos where I can try my luck. A few months ago, I started to use jun88. They have fast cashouts and a lot of deposit bonuses.


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House always wins. House edge is built in. As long as you keep playing the odds are against you.
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Aug 6 2024, 09:09 PM)
Like I said, leisure gambling is ok but never chase losses.

Cannot let go, don't gamble. Never gamble with money you cannot lose.
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But that is the reason most people gamble. Mainly to win and earn money. Money make money and most will chase their losses. Only those casual gamblers know how to stop.

When I was a slot coin exchanger in the guild house of NUS in Bukit Timah, I see most people gambled away for 7-12 midnight non stop. Only a few have the discipline to say ‘here, change 50 for me. Once I use up, no more’. And they really do that but they hang around and see others lose😂😂😂😂😂
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QUOTE(fongsk26 @ Sep 6 2024, 07:15 PM)
But that is the reason most people gamble.  Mainly to win and earn money.  Money make money and most will chase their losses.  Only those casual gamblers know how to stop.

When I was a slot coin exchanger in the guild house of NUS in Bukit Timah, I see most people gambled away for 7-12 midnight non stop.  Only a few have the discipline to say ‘here, change 50 for me.  Once I use up, no more’.  And they really do that but they hang around and see others lose😂😂😂😂😂
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Yeah, itu sebab house always wins.

Even you win today, you will be back 😜😜

The hard fact is, gambler is gambling against themselves.

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post Sep 6 2024, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Sep 6 2024, 08:50 PM)
Yeah, itu sebab house always wins.

Even you win today, you will be back 😜😜

The hard fact is, gambler is gambling against themselves.
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True. I am not a gambler but have lots of friends who goes to Genting every weekend and returned with black face on Sundays. Then kpkb … hahaha

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