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post May 6 2023, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 6 2023, 05:17 PM)
Actually i found another alternative.
Azure Dragon v2, Oil King, Aqua King v3.
Maybe buy 10-20 for test.
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lol, I just bought some oil king and the azure dragon to try as well... but I just bought 2 each.
I bought around 10 types of tactiles to try, just 2pcs each as well. 10 to 20pcs each gets expensive real quick.

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post May 7 2023, 10:32 PM

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Just receive Shenpo Keycaps, TX springs and some switches to play with it.
So many switches to play with, it will take some time. lolx.

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post May 8 2023, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ May 8 2023, 10:37 AM)
IMO, grease is not needed for stabs that have tight tolerances like C3 Equalz and TX. Still needed for OEM and OG Cherry stabs.
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But a the very least, you will be lubing the stabs using some lube, right?
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post May 8 2023, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(Mashed Potato @ May 8 2023, 06:26 PM)
I'm new to this Keyboard Modding
If I want to get a Keyboard Kit with 75% keys and wireless, what is the budget choice and also the preferred choice for you all?
Also, I'm thinking of getting one with a Knob as well? But my speaker already comes with a knob. Not sure if the extra knob defeats the purpose!

Poison me a little with your knowledge, Mastah!!
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Actually you would need to know the "rough" budget that you got to work with. There are many choices currently for a 75%.
I'm currently using the Akko PC75B Plus which I got for ~RM4xx, I forgot the actual number. It was a completely full keyboard with all the switches and keycaps assembled.
There was the Keychron 75% series which is more expensive If I remember.

Now there is the popular Monsgeek M1 barebone kit around RM400.

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post May 8 2023, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(BlizzardCraft @ May 8 2023, 10:15 PM)
anybody know about the typ60 by axiom studios?
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RM2K.... you buying one?

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post May 9 2023, 11:17 AM

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I manage to install the shenpo cherry profile keycaps onto my PC75B.
Comparing to the OEM profile clone keycaps, initial impression are the sound are deeper which is what I was looking for.
For me it was a good buy. The keycap thickness are comparatively thicker vs the clone keycaps and the ASA profile Akko original keycaps.
For RM90, it is affordable to me and meets my initial requirement.
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post May 9 2023, 05:51 PM

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GMK are still using ABS, right?
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post May 9 2023, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ May 9 2023, 06:33 PM)
this is because the typing feel is nice if they are thick (it's different from thick pbt), and are not ugly if the right printing technology is used (double-/triple-shot).
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Then probably will get those premium gmk keycaps one day. U made it feel so nice
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post May 9 2023, 09:11 PM

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Hey btw, I just receive 2pcs each of cherry black and brown, and it is immediately so distinct from my other switches, it seems like so "rough".... is this what they mean by scratchy?
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post May 10 2023, 07:18 AM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 9 2023, 11:58 PM)
yikes. stock cherry black and brown?
unless the price is real real low, otherwise china budget switch really overkill it left and right.
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I'm gonna lube 1 of it to see how much improvement it can be made into.

I also just simply change the spring for 1pc of my Akko Jelly purple switch.
From the ori 22mm extension spring to the TX 18mm 65g spring. And it made the tactile feel so much less. Never know the spring will affect the tactile bump feel that significantly.
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post May 11 2023, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 11 2023, 10:06 PM)
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testing switching office MG75 alphabets switches into oilking
force feel like graywoodv3 +5gram, but the travel and bottom out absolutely much much smoother
definitely worth to discover this

now next plan are switching large key into better tactile switches.
azure dragon v2 probably the way to go:hehe:
special thanks krayden for the oil king switch whistling.gif
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What switch is that beside the oil king? The Oil king definitely is very smooth, I like it as well. If I'm using linear, I probably will go for that at the moment as well.
Any reason for the Azure dragon V2?

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post May 12 2023, 03:05 PM

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I'm considering the emogogo grey tactile.
It feels nice and the sound is on the deeper side, with a very slight ping.
Just the pricing is RM3.7/pcs.
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post May 12 2023, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(bjonbjonbjon @ May 12 2023, 03:28 PM)
does anyone know when Monsgeek M3 (int) is available locally?
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I have pre-ordered it through shopee from Monsgeek. I just ask and they reply me in the chat that it should arrive in Malaysia in another 2 days.
I think I can receive mine next week.
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post May 12 2023, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(krayden @ May 12 2023, 09:29 PM)
Wah so expensive.  Last time 2 something only. Din know you were interested. I coulda tossed in a u4s.

Maybe look at geon or zaku switches.
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Where to get those Geon? If purchase from the website, the shipping fee is higher than buying the switches (110pcs). lol

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post May 12 2023, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 12 2023, 03:09 PM)
for this, i might counter asking you try azure dragon v2.
from what i learn it should be smooth tactile feeling like oilking but in tactile. tongue.gif
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The 3 switches below from the left -> Azure Dragon V2, Emogogo tactile, oil king
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In comparison on my board:
The Azure is more of a higher pitch and clackier sound vs the emogogo.
But that oil king is growing on me... lol

Actually another switch I like is the lubed and filmed MMD pandas.

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post May 13 2023, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 12 2023, 11:34 PM)
oh lol
not familiar with geon or zaku name. any info for it?
hmm..if azure dragon higher pitch might be not suit me. i quite like the oil king deeper sound.
also the emogogo tactile you mention are emogogo grey right? thats like similar pricing with boba u4t already?
for my MMD holy panda, i think problem on not lubed and no firmed.
where i probably no skill and wont do at all.
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lol. The hardest part of lubing is the time consumed... U need hours to do it.
But lubing and filming does a big difference some switches that I have used.
The MMD is one, the jelly purples are another. Even the Outemu brown improves noticeably for me as well.

That Azure Dragon is significantly different vs the oil king. If you like that deeper sound of the oil king, then better don't get the Azure Dragon.
I'm thinking probably my only choice is to get those MMD and film and lube it. It seems to be the most cost effective for me. lolx.


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post May 13 2023, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 13 2023, 10:10 AM)
MMD panda definitely cost effective. (time wise i dont know lolĀ  whistling.gif )
not really a complain, as MMD panda only cost like 60~80cents each(stock), cant be serious compare it to some RM1~3 switches.

TBH, my M1 graywoodv3 is lubed, probably firmed by my friend (he sell me Rm1 each). and compare it to oilking or stock graywoodv3.
stock oilking > 70% lubed graywoodv3 > 50% stock graywoodv3

lubed graywood can reach 60~70% of oil king feel, stock graywood maybe half of the oilking feel. (my2cents)
if not going for almost perfect swtich, budget switch definitely worth to own, especially the price from stock to fine lubed almost x2, if compare it to stock oilking, that will be x4 and yet mention pricing of fine lubed oilking..... doh.gif
just now switched back the 75% number row to graywood stock ,see how the oil king+MMD panda vs oilking+graywood feel.
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I agree with it. We go with items that fits with our budget. We can start small and get more feel and experience.
I take whatever time I can spare to do small small experiments and read stuff here and other places.
I have done a few more lubing + filming by doing 1pc and compare the "improvement" vs the stock

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The upper row 2 switches from the left:

1. Azure Dragon - Slight factory lube.
After lubing, slight reduction in the pitch, and the clacky sound is significantly reduced. Definitely noticeable difference before vs after.
I would say this switch is the loudest on my board even after lube and filmed.

2. KTT Matcha - slight factory lube
No significant difference before vs after. They have a slight clack to it

The 2nd Row from the left

1. Akko CS Ocean blue
After lubing, almost eliminate the clacky sound. It is like having a tighter feel

2. MMD Green Apple
After lubing, almost eliminate the clacky sound. It is like having a tighter feel

3. MMD Holy Panda
both switches are already lube. no comparison. lol

4. Emogogo grey
single switch serves as comparison to what I like.

5. Oil Kings
both stock just for comparison as well. I also like this switch

6. Tecsee Sapphire
After lubing, almost eliminate the clacky sound. I like this switch as well after lubing it, but the tactile bump is less noticeable among the switches.

This is just something I'm playing with and I'm not sure how to describe the switches, just my noob comments.

QUOTE(horns @ May 13 2023, 10:23 AM)
this is nice. i'm glad that you have started to get your hands dirty, observed, and found out differences by first-hand experience. you should know by now, the meaning of 'you get what you pay for', but there is still a chance to get cheap ones as base, and turn them into relatively better ones.

these days, almost all brands have mainstream/budget series, and highend/custom series. it's better to try them out first, before shaping your own opinions on their qualities.

yes it takes time to do switch tuning. however the outcomes are satisfying, so it's worth the time and efforts imo. it's true that whether to tune a switch fully, partially, or not at all, is based on your own decisions entirely.

you might wanna adjust the switch tuning/lubing work flows accordingly, e.g., there is no need to do everything in one go. you can always do things by batch.
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Previously I have gotten my hands dirty per se, by lubing all those outemu browns in my previously full keyboard. It was quite an experience and gotten the "flow" how to do it.

But I 100% agree that there is no replacement of just getting the switches and try it out and modify accordingly to see how to feels.
And lubing although is time consuming, it does make a noticeable difference to the typing feel and sound. That is why I lubed and film all those Akko Jelly purples on my current board. It is just preferable for me
My current preference is to use slightly more lube that normally is recommended from what I watch and read.
I always just do like 5 - 10 switches per batch.

In your previous comment about "almost all brands have mainstream/budget series, and highend/custom series" could you give some direction on the some of brands and where to get current information about their series they are offering. I understand some are manufacturer like JWICK, Akko, KTT, Haimu, Gateron, Outemu, Cherry etc. And some are brands that gets those manufacturers to make it for them.

And for the highend/custom series, what are some of them? Is it something like the Gazzew U4T?

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post May 15 2023, 11:45 AM

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I just lubed and filmed the Wuque WS brown, the ping is still "loud", but I did not lube the leaf. The top and bottom housing is still consider quite loose even after using a 0.14mm film.
It did come with factory lubed stock.

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post May 15 2023, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ May 15 2023, 12:00 PM)
this is weird. i am preparing wuque ws white/silent linear for the next build. there was no switch top wobble afaik.
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This is what is observed. Other switch like the Boba U4T that I have do not show the gap between the top and bottom housing when "moved"

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post May 18 2023, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 15 2023, 11:37 AM)
Monday back to work, using the oilking+graywoodv3 (in office)
really 'deeply satisfied' on typing feel.... lubed graywood on home pc no way reach the feel, even in office only alphabet using oilking and other is stock graywood+mmd panda mix. sweat.gif
have a bit itchy to change home m1 to all oilking,but think again...... that that fine lubed graywood will be collect dust....i think i shouldnt do that whistling.gif
not so familiar with wuque switch, but once of the youtuber, Hipyo Tech seen like using a lot of weque switches. other youtuber/bilibili up's seen like nobody using.
so how it perform. as i see on shopee, the pricing quite reasonable.
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I just bought more of those MMD Holy panda from a different vendor than my initial ones. After lubing and filming them, they sounded different. lol

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Left = new
Right = initial
Can see the "MMD" are different.
After this case, it will make me stay away from "clones" as although the name can be same, but the parts are different. At least when we buy the branded ones like Akko lavender, it will be lavender no matter where you bought it from. lol.
I have tested the JWK T1 black, lubed, filmed and the feel, sound, cost are just right for me. Therefore I bought 90pcs to fix it to my M3 That I just received today.
Just a few photos of it.

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