I find dry needling is a good method.

Not every pain or issue need to use dry needling. It always depends

The patient must be willing to put in the work too after the session. Rehab is a journey, it doesn't stop after that 1 hour physio session. Continue at home every day for maximum results

I was treated by both on different occasions because I kept hurting my waist by moving huge furniture.

Chris Leong is definitely better because his students does not have his muscle strength and knowledge.

But Chris Leong charge is more expensive. If yours is a minor problem and want to save money, then his students is enough. If yours is a major problem, then request for Chris Leong.

Only one session and you can feel the difference, if you add all the 10-20 sessions by other tit-tar, it is even more expensive than Chris Leong.

Before I went to Chris Leong for treatment, I went to a Angmoh chiropractor from Canada and open his shop in Subang, after 10 sessions of treatment there was still pain. That's why all these western chiro have no real skill just a worthless paper certificate.

This is my true experience.

This post has been edited by ericthai: Sep 12 2022, 12:30 PM

I did it more than 10 years ago in Puchong. At that time, it was very cheap at rm 80 to 100.

It is the same for all severity. The difference is whether you want the student to do it or Chris Leong to do it.

Chris Leong is of course more expensive.

Well 100% guarantee have ... dr also can kill ppl ... lawyer also judge wrong ppl ... sleep also can die .. anything can happen in this world... need to make your own judgement sometimes i guess ...

how about Chris Leong's brother Erik Leong's Osteocare? Is it equally good?

I think first of you need to understand what problem are you having ?
If you are having internal knee damage, any of the treatment above- physio, chiro, acupuncture, tit tar, malay, indian medicine not gonna heal or cure the problem

In the end its just about managing it, understand the issue and know what to do and expect. If you are having a normal straightforward strain injury, seeing tit tar chiro or physio would do “miracles” you wouldn’t need to see orthopedic, but for you to see orthopedist means it has to be siginificant damage and he has nothing can be done may be referring to the internal damage.

Instead of bashing saying tit tar or physio or chiro or medicine or any treatment useless, you may say certain treatment useless first understand what problem you are having and start from there...

Get x-ray and MRI first. Get a proper diagnosis. Usually before going to chiro you should have a frontal and side of at least your spine.

I have been to numerous chiro, and like you, experienced worse pain after several sessions, or in some cases didn't feel any improvements. Until a friend recommended me this Chinese doc, and got better from then on. In all cases, my x-ray was shown, or was asked to show it so they know what are my main issues.

Be aware of your daily habits to correct then. Posture, sitting posture. Some tend to lean on wall, stand on one side of leg, due to hip imbalances and so on. It is not a one off thing for serious cases, it takes time, so be patient.

I notice one thing from my experiences, those that do the standard overall cracking your back, kegs, hands, neck, are not right for me. While it's very comfortable at first, coz it works to decompress your spine and all, it does not get to the root of the issues I was facing, hip imbalances, spine out of whack. Good luck!

i didn't bash tit tar or physio or chiro or medicine or any treatment useless, it was the Chiropractor who said my condition would be healed in 6 treatments, but in the end he made my condition from bad to worst. Initially I only had a tiny area pain in my right knee, but now he caused my left knee pain as well and both knees are in much greater pain compared to previous. If he didn't have any confidence in treating me, he could have told me right from the beginning, or during re-evaluation process. But funnily enough, after 10 treatments or so, then only he asked me to do imaging tests. This is the first time I experienced chiro, of course I believe that there are also good ones in the field. Unfortunately, I met a bad one.

I went to see orthopedic first because I didn't have to pay for it. And its good as well cos they would do physical tests on you, so you know the severity of your condition.

can share the contact/info of the Chinese doc?

Dr.Leow
+60 12-931 8897
Whatsapp him

All the three brothers learned from their father who is a tit-tar sifu so they are all good.

Chris Leong is the best because he invented new treatment himself and he went to Australia for his chiropractor degree besides what his father taught him. Most of his students do not have as much theory as Chris Leong.

If yours is not that serious, then you can go to his brother. Those who said you need to go for 6 sessions are all fake doctors, this is from my experience. A good chiro only need one session for non serious problem.


Some patients had very serious accidents (spine crooked or leg paralyzed) or have strokes, then it is better to go to Chris Leong because these are more serious and difficult to cure.

This post has been edited by ericthai: Sep 14 2022, 07:09 PM

Wow I didn't know they have a third brother. Always thought only two of them! Good family legacy and they already have their next generation to pick up the skills too.

knee pain can cause by walking pattern and wrong shoes
what kind of shoes do you wear? got any sport shoes you wear regular? how the soles wear? want to see whether ur foot is pronate or not

where is the pain? outside or inner of knee? are you able to provide photo pointing out the exact area of the pain? mentioned VMO, that means the inner thigh... no need to post actual photo of your leg/knee, just post online photos with arrow is good

what activity can bring out the pain? hiking? up stairs? down stairs?

left leg start get same problem can be caused by the right leg pain, and weaken, and the left leg takes over the weight and now start to pain

this kind of injury, recovery is slow (few months) but initial treatment will show results within 2~3 days

chris inherited his tit dar skills from his mom not dad. dad is wushu, mom tit dar, chris mastered both.
yea chris is the real deal, not as what ppl been teasing him making weird sounds when setting bones

Who told you that? In olden days, the mom only takes care of the kids and has no skills.

Wushu master usually also has tit-tar skills like Wong Fei Hung.

I saw his third brother before in OUG , I think he has a shop there but not sure.

He's also into Tit-Tar but for normal chiro problems.

For strokes, big accidents, it's better to consult Chris Leong.



This post has been edited by ericthai: Sep 15 2022, 12:54 PM

his mom treated uncountable patients with dislocations. i'm his childhood friend. i learnt hap kune do from master lawrence personally. his parents are family friend
guess u really know nothing bout his mom. btw, i nvr address him as chris.

In his website, there is a photo of his father and he stated that his father is a Kung fu and tit-ta founder. So it's not just Kung fu master but also tit-tar.

Maybe his mom learnt from his dad.

But never mind, this thread is about recommending a good tit-tar master and not about CHris Leong's personal life unless you want to marry him.

This post has been edited by ericthai: Sep 15 2022, 01:27 PM

there's no website in the early 80s for me as witness lol not hearsay like others
well, as for good recommendation, a good accreditation could be useful along the way
anyhow, just be a lil' respectful for his mom as she's not just a plain housewife who 'has no skills' ya