What tests were conducted on you?
e.g. x-ray and mri

What was diagnosed by the orthopedic?
e.g. ligament, meniscus, tendon, muscle, bone issues

What meds were provided?
e.g. glucosamine, ibuprofen, painkillers

Did you injure yourself while working out?

Most injuries are due to overweight, extreme movements, slips and accidents.

Depending on your age, it is most likely your tendon/ligament in your knee worn out.

For me, I take medication.

There are many fake tit tar doctor in Malaysia. He has a branch in Puchong Puteri

I went to Chris Leong and he fixed my waist pain problem in just one session.
one session is enough not 10 sessions are usually cheaters.

https://www.chrisleong.com/

He is very famous and has videos on Youtube.

any cases people paralyzed after visiting chiro? so scary they dealing with your backbone and nerves... one wrong move you gg

Stop wasting money on these useless quack chiropractors and tit tar, go to a proper physiotherapist.

Precise Rehab or regen Physio recommended

I was treated by both on different occasions because I kept hurting my waist by moving huge furniture.

Chris Leong is definitely better because his students does not have his muscle strength and knowledge.

But Chris Leong charge is more expensive. If yours is a minor problem and want to save money, then his students is enough. If yours is a major problem, then request for Chris Leong.

Only one session and you can feel the difference, if you add all the 10-20 sessions by other tit-tar, it is even more expensive than Chris Leong.

Before I went to Chris Leong for treatment, I went to a Angmoh chiropractor from Canada and open his shop in Subang, after 10 sessions of treatment there was still pain. That's why all these western chiro have no real skill just a worthless paper certificate.

This is my true experience.

I think first of you need to understand what problem are you having ?
If you are having internal knee damage, any of the treatment above- physio, chiro, acupuncture, tit tar, malay, indian medicine not gonna heal or cure the problem

In the end its just about managing it, understand the issue and know what to do and expect. If you are having a normal straightforward strain injury, seeing tit tar chiro or physio would do “miracles” you wouldn’t need to see orthopedic, but for you to see orthopedist means it has to be siginificant damage and he has nothing can be done may be referring to the internal damage.

Instead of bashing saying tit tar or physio or chiro or medicine or any treatment useless, you may say certain treatment useless first understand what problem you are having and start from there...

Get x-ray and MRI first. Get a proper diagnosis. Usually before going to chiro you should have a frontal and side of at least your spine.

I have been to numerous chiro, and like you, experienced worse pain after several sessions, or in some cases didn't feel any improvements. Until a friend recommended me this Chinese doc, and got better from then on. In all cases, my x-ray was shown, or was asked to show it so they know what are my main issues.

Be aware of your daily habits to correct then. Posture, sitting posture. Some tend to lean on wall, stand on one side of leg, due to hip imbalances and so on. It is not a one off thing for serious cases, it takes time, so be patient.

I notice one thing from my experiences, those that do the standard overall cracking your back, kegs, hands, neck, are not right for me. While it's very comfortable at first, coz it works to decompress your spine and all, it does not get to the root of the issues I was facing, hip imbalances, spine out of whack. Good luck!

All the three brothers learned from their father who is a tit-tar sifu so they are all good.

Chris Leong is the best because he invented new treatment himself and he went to Australia for his chiropractor degree besides what his father taught him. Most of his students do not have as much theory as Chris Leong.

If yours is not that serious, then you can go to his brother. Those who said you need to go for 6 sessions are all fake doctors, this is from my experience. A good chiro only need one session for non serious problem.
Some patients had very serious accidents (spine crooked or leg paralyzed) or have strokes, then it is better to go to Chris Leong because these are more serious and difficult to cure.

knee pain can cause by walking pattern and wrong shoes
what kind of shoes do you wear? got any sport shoes you wear regular? how the soles wear? want to see whether ur foot is pronate or not

where is the pain? outside or inner of knee? are you able to provide photo pointing out the exact area of the pain? mentioned VMO, that means the inner thigh... no need to post actual photo of your leg/knee, just post online photos with arrow is good

what activity can bring out the pain? hiking? up stairs? down stairs?

left leg start get same problem can be caused by the right leg pain, and weaken, and the left leg takes over the weight and now start to pain

this kind of injury, recovery is slow (few months) but initial treatment will show results within 2~3 days

Disclaimer, I am no expert, and a chiro/titdar that suitable for me, may not be suitable for you.

The summary between chiro/titdar written by someone else, is quite accurate... and not forgetting acupuncture also another method.

Some practitioners are purists, some will combine different techniques. Titdar also like KungFu, got different interpretations to path of recovery one. Some believe is ok to swollen after treatment, some will think it must not swollen.

I think you may have injury caused by cold stretch. For recovery, need time, and correct procedure to speed up the recovery. understand what could have caused it, is very important. In some cases, chiro or titdar also cannot solve, and only sufficient time it takes to recover.

In fact, I think you need acupuncturist. An acupuncturist may fix your pain, and provide some lifestyle corrections to avoid it. I seen acupuncture fix limited thumb movement by massaging a pressure point on the foot. They will decide if need to poke you (with those needles), if not at all. See if this method works for you.

Based on your shoe bottom wear pattern, you may need correct footwear that provides support during walking. This knowledge can be found at running websites. Hint: Asics shoes

Speaking from recovery experience:
- when sleep, wear something like a knee brace, but not tight one... just firm enough to hold on the knee to keep warm

- avoid stretching cold muscles... always warm up first. some body takes > half an hour to properly warm up, some ppl faster. I am suspecting cold stretch injury due to deep squat without thorough warm up. Suggest spend a good 10, 20, 30 minutes warm up before doing anything like that, or go really slow next time. Correct me if I am wrong.