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QUOTE(zx12 @ Mar 5 2018, 01:45 PM)
Thanks @dblcss for the reply. Item 5, by spinner I assume you meant spanner right? But spinners might be a good idea as well, to keep the kids occupied while I do the work  laugh.gif

I like to DIY when possible and learn a couple of things in the process. Just that professional installers might take a couple of hours while I might take 1 day for each side of the gate  confused.gif 

I have the tools, except for a welder. I was looking at some D'nor pics and it looks like the ear needs to be welded to the gate which would make things more complicated for DIY. Meanwhile DCmoto installation manuals are available from their website so it was clearer.

I am leaning towards DCmoto, I like the idea of saving power during idle time. The only thing keeping me back is the size of the motor. Might give the support guys a call later for this.

Any other thoughts are most welcome.
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Regarding the size of the motor for DCMoto, you do not need to worry about it. The depth protruding from the wall is merely 6.5 inches with the cover installed. Basically is more the same as Dnor does.

You might think DCMoto looks complicated to install in which I do agree, yet it comes with well documented instruction manual. Just that you need the proper tools and stuff to get the work done.
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QUOTE(arju @ Mar 4 2018, 01:52 AM)
hi, anyone have roller type folding gate. any maintenance tips for newbie.

Plan to get trackless but out of budget aiks.
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For maintenance tips, is all about keeping the bearings lubricated and keep your railing clean as possible. As muds, dirt, pets furs tends to get into their way.

WD40 is commonly use for lubrication but the downside is easily washed off when it rains. You can go with "singer oil" or silicon based oil which are not too thin nor too thick (thicker attracts dust and fine sand) which help to retain lubrication longer than WD40 does.

I don't really recommend trackless gate system due to the fact that each gate swing fold ultimately relied on each pillar for support in which puts lots of pressure. Compared with those gate with railing support, it keeps the gate in balance supported by the pillar and the floor railing.

The common problem of tracked railing gate getting derailed as below :

- lack of maintenance on the roller bearing attached on the rail
- years goes by, ball bearing will wear off (the roller mounting goes sideway causing the gate to derail)
- poor workmanship when installing the railing (poor measurement of the rail water-level mark)
- wrong gate measurement and placement of those bearings mount done by gate installer
- small stones caught up between the railing causing the roller to tripped and de-railed


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post Mar 12 2018, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(willwen @ Mar 11 2018, 07:01 AM)
Where can i get spare parts like the motor? Pasar road?
One side open close not fully. I guess motor problem.
If i replace motor with different brand will there me timing issues?
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Replacing different brand of motor unit will have issue such as length and bracket mounting. Even you might want to change just the internal motor driver, different brand have their own design that might not compatible with your existing unit.

There is no issue with timing. All works the same.
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post Nov 5 2018, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(Serenakong @ Sep 30 2018, 01:02 AM)
Any commend on Unigate? Thinking just install a motor for house gate but existing come with track with almost 19ft. Some said gate with traick will easily pull out the door unless trackless. Any commend?
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Having conventional track folding gate is the safest. Reason :
- is cheaper to built a track gate than UniGate charging quite a premium price
- either is track or trackless, if the thief would to break in. It doesn't matter cause is design and built in the same method but jacking up the centre fold
- track folding gate is serviceable by any iron gate installer while UniGate is a proprietary design require their professional technician hence you pay more for their services
- since you're gate is 19ft which is quite wide, having track rail is your safest bet, trackless gate relied on both of your pillar for support and days goes by, the middle fold will eventually sag down
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QUOTE(limlim78 @ Oct 15 2018, 11:38 AM)
Anyone use Fargolli folding gate? Compare with Unigate, this cheaper alot. Plan to change my gate to this. Any others brand offer trackless folding gate?
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Fargolli is basically another brand under DCMoto for trackless bi-folding gate system. It comes with a package with trackless mechanism kit. End of the day Fargolli = DCMoto GFM 925W smile.gif

QUOTE(lencent @ Oct 15 2018, 01:07 PM)
can anyone confirm that the gear inside DCMoto is made of plastic? Any issue with the gear so far?
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DCMoto GFM 925W comprise of alloy magnesium aluminium and one stage of plastic gear. Only the top part motor gearbox (yellow tube) uses bronze gear for connecting the motor shaft and plastic gear for moving the motor drive. While the bottom gearbox in grey colour is fully made of alloy magnesium aluminium material. basically the gearbox can easily last 5 - 8 years without maintenance granted there is no dogs pee-ing that motor as urine is kind of corrosive liquid.
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QUOTE(choen @ Aug 29 2018, 11:32 AM)
Hi i've DIY installed a dcmoto 925. It's quite straightforward.

However the keypad is not talking to the control panel. I've tried to do the direct pairing from the control panel,changed the keypad battery, reset the code on the keypad, cloned code directly from another remote... but nothing works.

any other advice?
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try looking at your control panel receiver connection port there is a red LED indicator. If check whether your keypad is responding or not, simply press any button on your keypad, as soon as you press on any button, the red LED should blink as respond to your command. If it doesn't blink means you had a faulty keypad that doesn't respond to signal and the only way is to send back for replacement.
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QUOTE(lencent @ Nov 5 2018, 09:12 AM)
thanks for the feedback. Lucky i do not have a dog, so not too worry about that  biggrin.gif
My main concern is on the plastic gear which may deteriorate under the heat and humidity. It could become brittle over time and easily shattered when force is apply on it.
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I've customer who's still using the GFM 905W for 11 years under the sun, still works. Nothing much to worry about it.

actually those are nylon based plastic gear, is very durable. It only breaks or slips when there is a huge impact towards the gate. It did happen to my few customer but the number percentage is so small that it hardly happens. Mostly incident is the metal bar connecting the motor to the gate that bends when owner crash into the gate and even I've client who forgot to engage parking brake and the vechicle was reversing and hit the gate. Causing the metal bar to bend but didn't damage the internal gearbox.
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QUOTE(InSplre @ Nov 6 2018, 12:11 PM)
For DCMoto, can you select which side to open for one side operation? Mine can only open right side only for one side operation. To open the left I need to open both side.

Or this can be set?
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If your unit comes with centre solenoid lock mechanism then you only allow one sided opening (the one with the solenoid lock mechanism).

If yours doesn’t have that item then you’ve probably program the wrong profile in the control panel. Refer to the sticker found on the relay soldered on the control panel to program the profile.
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QUOTE(dudester @ Nov 7 2018, 11:43 AM)
I have an old auto gate sliding motor that I am trying to salvage because other then electronic parts, the motor has been very reliable for the past 10 years.

The main issue I am trying to fix now is that the Spring trigger for the limiter has broken and I cannot find a replacement part.
I have tried DIY with a flexible tube and it lasted for the last year.
Now it is broken again and I am giving one last try to get help to replace it.

1) Is there alternative parts I can use, I've seen different spring trigger or magnet limiter ?
2) Is there any repair man able to modify my motor to use these alternative parts?

Unfortunately, I cannot remember the Motor brand without having to dig for the receipt, but I think it is not a local brand.

Welcome all help!

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Is custom made for that dc sliding motor. You can buy GForce/Celmer spring contact limit switch spare part and use the spring or else modify into magnetic limit switch which can be more reliable since there is no moving parts to wear and tear.
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QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 7 2018, 12:21 PM)
Can I get feed back from fagolli users? The price to get fagolli trackless is around the same as getting conventional folding gate.

Problem is, you cannot choose design with fagolli. With conventional folding gate, I can choose design and I want stainless steel. However, I am leaning towards trackless because I prefer something that have less maintenance. Track folding seems to be the most unreliable of all the autogate system.

What do you guys think? Please comment.
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Trackless or track type is depend on your budget. For me, I will go with track type any day cause I’ve know it’s fool proof to maintain. Give or take 3-5 years you probably need to replace the 2 bottom roller and bearings only. Changing to stainless steel material for the roller bearing and mounts will last longer. Besides I can find any gate installer to rectify the problem.

Trackless are bound by the specific gate installer who carries that particular brand. Hence the repair work might not come cheap.

And lastly there is no autogate/iron gate that is zero maintainace. When is outdoor and moving parts, there is going to be wear and tear.
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QUOTE(dudester @ Nov 7 2018, 03:24 PM)
Thanks. Would anyone know any installer who knows how to modify to magnetic limit switch?
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Your nearest autogate installer should able to get the job done.
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QUOTE(dudester @ Nov 7 2018, 04:18 PM)
I doubt it. But thanks anyway. Will wait for any other introduction or i will try to diy.
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you can actually DIY. Buy the magnetic limit switch kit which comes with 2x magnetic switch and 2x magnet with bracket for attaching to your sliding gate gear rack.

QUOTE(dblcss @ Nov 7 2018, 07:39 PM)
Hmmm track or trackless. I prefer swing with proper bearing hinge no problem at all and free maintenance can be install any TOM, DICK or HARRY also no problem.

For track gate  if you get it from a professional gate installer then u'll hv less problem. For track very parts must be install properly, one misaligned then u hv none stop problem like derail, cannot open all the way because the track one side higher then the other, the motor on the higher side will brake down first because always hv to push hard to open the gate.

For trackless Fagolli is new in the market and is in demand in the market because of it's reasonable price trackless with autogate system below 10K mana mau cari lagi murah punya for trackless. We've install a few seem to be OK for mean time. It's fully aluminium light weight so won't drop so easily compare those make out metal or stainless steel heavy. Most of the joint parts is screw on so can be adjust easily if misaligned. If you hv a dog which like to pee on ur gate then full aluminium will be a best choice won't get rust.

Hope this help when choosing which gate type to go for.
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For track system, If you've mastered the measurement on where to weld the bearing brackets, is no issue and it will last for quite some time before bearing need replacement. Till today there is still iron gate manufacture fail to assemble a proper gate and end up I as the autogate installer have to rectify for them to get my system running smoothly.

For trackless, yes is still a new stuff and demand is there but at a high cost. A normal iron gate with powder coated is roughly RM 4k - RM 5k for 16ft - 20ft. While Fargoli as you mention below RM 10k could easily be RM 8k - 9k. Aluminium material for gate is the MOST WORST choice ever. Is light weight but is the softest material compared with steel and stainless steel material. Mind you, if anyone would accidentally crash or bang to your aluminium gate, the only option is replacement. You can't bent it to the original condition unlike steel.
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QUOTE(dudester @ Nov 8 2018, 12:16 AM)
Appreciate if anyone  could direct me where to get the magnetic switch. My search so far only found the magnets with brackets.
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Found a seller who does sell it https://www.lazada.com.my/products/limit-sw...caFnLw&search=1
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QUOTE(dudester @ Nov 8 2018, 10:50 AM)
Hey Thanks a lot, but this is what i have found too, I thought it was just per pictures of brackets and magnet. Anyway i am asking the seller now.
I would think a sensor would look like this link

http://www.gate1access.com/en/lockmaster-/...tch-sensor.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/magnetic-li...2793626989.html
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Probably they give those magnetic limit switch use on alarm system sensors.
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QUOTE(WIS9000 @ Nov 9 2018, 08:24 AM)
Hi All,

Old question. What are the criteria for choosing the replacement transformer for the swing type auto gate?

I just bought a 230 to 12V-0-12V 2VA transformer from electronic shop. Is this enough for autogate operation?
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2VA way too small to power your autogate. Minimum requirement is 75VA. Did you purchase the exact transformer model?

DC operated motor requires big transformer cause is low voltage but big amperage to drive the motor.
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QUOTE(WIS9000 @ Nov 9 2018, 11:08 AM)
thanks for the reply.
original transformer outputs 14V, but no longer relevant as the board and transformer both damaged by lightning and lizard attack  bangwall.gif

now using a 3rd party board bought online by the model L5000i.

Will check around for the requirement u mentioned. This seems suitable, but not sure why 75mh, typo? Lazada AC trans

All of the high power models sold in shop seems bulky and like probably could not fit into the panel box i have on the wall.  hmm.gif
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Dc operated transformer are usually big. If those push pull arm type can be powered as low as 50VA

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QUOTE(WIS9000 @ Nov 9 2018, 10:59 PM)
Oops. i just read back your comments and checked the transformer i got, it says 25VA. Guess it's still not enough right? What is the 75mh or 50mh of transformer?

Just trying to learn more, the AC transformer's main function is to power the motor directly? Or is the transformer actually stepping down the 240 voltage to 12 Vac, then a rectifier will convert it to DC to just charge the battery?

on my previous spoilt transformer, it was in fact a 14Vac model, but they connected to the 12V point of the board. But i've not managed to find 14Vac transformer in shops. Maybe the original board has special feature to bring down voltage.
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there is no MH, just VA.

Transformer is to transform the voltage to smaller voltage eg. 240v to 18v or 12v. Is meant to power down the voltage for the DC motor to operate at much lower voltage it support. But you still require the circuit board to convert AC to DC power to operate the DC motor, charge the battery, power your Auxiliary accessories.

The circuit board can support up to 14vac
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QUOTE(H2D @ Jul 7 2019, 01:42 PM)
ok, i have been using DCmoto sliding type, since around march 2013 until today. about 6 years now.
have changed board like 3-4? times...

the old model board is kinda sensitive to lightning strike, even tho my board is totally disconnected from AC power supply,

The AC supply i connect to a 3pin plug, so i can unplug it manually whenever there is thunderstorm, or im not at home.

Even the lightning did not strike my home directly, it is far away..  but close enough, the board might be affected,

the fuse is fine, but the chip can blow just like that...
The above reply by jimmy about fine tuning variable dial, that is the board for dcmoto 705, which is not the one i am using,
that board i believe have counter input from gear box, as shown in this picture below.

user posted image

u can see 4 connectors there, 2 for motor, 2 i think is counter, the picture is not clear.

So after 6 years, the board is giving problem again,

DCmoto does not have stock for this old board anymore, and i dont want to change/install a new set, cos the motor is still working fine,
only the board.

I found there are similarities comparing the old sliding board, and DCmoto's current swing board,

so i am thinking of using the swing gate board to control the motor.
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I didn't use this DCMoto sliding for customer to begin with due to the nature of every component is hidden inside that motor compartment. Judging from the photo of your control panel, your area is prone to lightning. Damaging 3-4 times in a span of 6 years is kind of ridiculous. Any chances you want to contact your electrician to check on your electrical grounding protection or lightning protection. Most of the the time, my client might just happen twice the max for the span of 7-8 years usage and that is base on prone to lightning area.

The model you're using share similarities on their DCMoto previous model dated back in 1999. The control panel of 3rd party (might) be compatible but you need to change your transformer and remote control receiver set.

The best option is to retire this sliding motor and get a more common sliding motor unit that can use compatible control panel. Or else your last ditch is to contact DCMoto office in Penang (Intelligent Network) to try your luck whether do they still carry this control panel. Technically the sliding and swing control panel is identical just the internal programming is different,


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QUOTE(dudester @ Jul 12 2019, 08:43 AM)
Need to replace my sliding gate very soon. Sliding motor is dead.
Was going to get DC motor but I start to see many complains.
Do share your DC motor experience, warranty issues, reliability.
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http://www.casa-asia.com/casaasia.php

I'm selling this model since 2001. Typically last somewhere 8 years to 15 years as long your sliding gate is well taken care.

Oil bath gearbox.

If you can up your budget, there is Italy motor named Roger Technology that uses Brushless DC Motor operating system. Faster and butter smooth operation of high and low speed due to the nature of brushless motor. Basically is close to zero maintenance for the motor as it uses magnetic coil induction to operate the motor instead of conventional DC Motor relies on carbon brush connected to the motor armature core.
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QUOTE(Par@dox @ Jul 13 2019, 05:25 PM)
Had installed a new swing gate with an autogate mechanism (DCMoto GFM-925AL, i.e. with the autolock mechanism). Pretty satisfied with the installation except that I have a question.

When closing the swing gate, obviously one side will start closing first, but I noticed that it needs to be almost fully closed (95%) before the other side starts to move. Seems quite inefficient because essentially, have to wait for one door to close almost completely before the other door closes. According to the installer, this is normal but is there a way to make the 2nd door to start closing faster?
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Nope, the control panel already have preset its method of operating it in AL (Auto-Lock) mode.

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