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 Automatic Gate, How much do you need to install one ?

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jimmylim85
post Jul 14 2019, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Par@dox @ Jul 14 2019, 10:08 AM)
I see, thanks. So there is no way to set it so that the second door start closing sooner, say when the first door is 50% closed?
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sadly no. unlike the good old underground motor swing type where the control panel have a few adjustable timing for customize setting.
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post Jul 14 2019, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(H2D @ Jul 14 2019, 05:48 PM)
my area is high risk lightning.

the autogate system is completely disconnected/ unplugged from AC supply by removing 3pin plug,
But the power of lightning is unexplainable,

Just say if it strike anywhere within the radius of 400m-1km,  the chances of damaging the circuit board is very high.

In the event of direct hit at my home, no amount of protection can save, and also not all electrical stuffs will be damaged.
That is the magic  biggrin.gif

If use third party board, i need to fix a limit switch, most of the DC board use magnetic contact limit, which is like a bit hard to get
and need to fix it on the gate.

DCmoto hq, already no more stock.

Yes the internal programming is different.
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is your sliding gate connects with your pillar light?

Your area is very prone to lightning. sweat.gif

Aftermarket limit switch can use and just stick on the back of the cover but the cost of using 3rd party parts easily come close to a whole new system package.
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post Jul 14 2019, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(tikay @ Jul 14 2019, 10:40 PM)
Correct me if I am wrong, all this while I am of the opinion that the battery serves as a backup in case of power failure. Am I right to think that the gates will function perfectly with electric power even without battery. Presently my board has no battery. Please advise.
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Battery backup serve as secondary power for the autogate. With or without the battery, the system works perfectly normal.

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post Jul 15 2019, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(tikay @ Jul 15 2019, 06:53 AM)
Thank you for the fast advice.
What would you think the culprit is/are :- (1) Gates do not close completely if they are NOT opened fully earlier. Need to try a few times to open both fully before getting them closed completely BY LUCK.

                                                            (2) If open 1 gate partially or fully, it will not close completely. Need to open both fully before trying to get them closed completely by luck.

                                                              (3) Left gate (if viewed from the house) hits the pillar harder at the end of opening.
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1) there is few factor prompting to your problem :

- It could be your folding gate main roller bearing sitting on the rail/pipe is damage due to internal bearing broken which cause the rotating action jammed.
- It could be your OAE motor has come to its end of life (carbon brush) worn out and cause the control panel to cut off its overcurrent protection (you can still squeeze some life out of your motor by increasing the overload knob but you might be risking burning the mosfet)

2) it could be related to your motor operating in higher resistance causing the control panel to cut off.

3) improper adjusting of the max opening of the motor on the left gate or else you can try fully close the gate and do a self reset (re calibration) by removing one of the battery probe and turn off the power supply for a minute. That will reset the system and run a very slow operating for a complete cycle of opening and closing for calibration purpose.
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post Jul 15 2019, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(dudester @ Jul 15 2019, 10:15 AM)
From what i gathered here, Sliding DC motor seems to be more problem them AC.
why do i need DC motor for?
I am okay with my 8 year+ Italy motor, i doubt it has DC. Only problem is I can never find replacement parts, even the mother board has been changed to local board. Limiter spring switch has no replacement parts.

1) Appreciate DC vs AC differences.
2) Prefer a Motor using magnetic Limiter rather then spring.
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Well everyone has a different view on AC and DC motor.

I'm been selling DC Motor driven since 2001. No issue just wear n tear as normal it can be. Lasting somewhere 8 to 15 years for my customer before going into a new unit.

1) AC runs on 220-250volts and it turns slower around 800rpm which you'll notice your gate operate at much slower speed. has higher torque output. doesn't have backup battery operate option as is impossible to drive a 240v motor from a DC12v battery. Dangerous if the motor cover is expose as there is 240 Volts live. Usually last longer than DC motor as it runs on magnetic coil field to generate the amateur to turn.

DC on the other hand operate some where 12v to 24v for carbon brushed motor while the newest technology DC Brushless motor can operate up to 36V. It turns around 3000rpm to 5000rpm which makes the gate opening/closing much quicker. It may have lower torque than AC motor but years goes by, DC Motor can as much torque output as AC does. DC motor can run on battery backup. DC operating at such low voltage, is safer than 240v does. Only cons of DC Motor is the wear n tear of the carbon brush and amateur due to friction which easily last 8-15 years depending operating environment. While the DC Brushless version can go as long as AC motor does cause there is no carbon brush for friction to operate, all done completely via magnetic field. DC Brushless motor can operate at much faster speed and speed reduction curve is so butter smooth that you don't notice a sudden jerk when it slows down.

2) mostly AC motor uses spring type limit switch due the AC magnetic field so strong that it effects the magnetic switch inside the motor compartment. Cause mostly AC motor locally or china ones have poor magnetic shielding.
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post Dec 29 2019, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Peppa_Pig @ Nov 26 2019, 11:37 AM)
hi for those using DC Moto brand autogate, i want to open half way or open abit the gate, not let the motor open fully.

would this spoil the motor ? does anyone know ?
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No worries, DC Moto is just running 12-16volts. Very low voltage compared with other brand which runs in 24V. You’re looking somewhere 10 years above lasting. I’ve inspect those old DC Moto internal motor have more than half carbon brush left.
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post Dec 29 2019, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(zeese @ Nov 26 2019, 05:20 PM)
I assume, when the motor stops half way, the sudden stop may give some stress to the gear. However, if you think about it, the motor will still experience the same stress when it stops after the gate fully opens or when it hits a barrier or stopper.  So, in other words, I believe stopping the gate half way makes no difference to the life of the motor or gear system.
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Technically any gate length less than 18 feet is very normal for stopping halfway as some DC Autogate comes with cushion stopping whereby it doesn’t sudden stop the motor by cruising slightly before it comes to a halt. I do not recommend those gate longer than 18 feet due to the weight and momentum force whenever the gate fold in action.

I advice my customer who own gate somewhere 20-25 feet folding gate to let it open fully as the system will automatically adjust its configured speed to slow down without damaging the internal gearbox.
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QUOTE(Hianz @ Sep 28 2019, 09:03 AM)
Hi, my auto gate controller the AC/Batt LED has been off since last night
This morning it is ON again but after i press for the gate to open, it was OFF again.

I believe there is internal battery already dead.
Anyone can advice how to open this as I have failed to open it.
Is this problem due to battery or anything?

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AC/Batt : Steady light (AC power on), Blinking (Charging Battery), Lights off (AC power off)

This wired-keypad only sold with GFM 905 since 2008-2012
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post Dec 31 2019, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(wailing81 @ Dec 30 2019, 09:03 AM)
besides DC autogate, any other autogate offer the actual lock at the middle of the main gate?
Thanks
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If not mistaken is none, as those tube type circuit boards no longer support centre locking mechanism. The centre lock was first introduce way back in the early 90’s underground motor. Technically nobody use centre lock mechanism anymore, the motor itself have locking mechanism. Is pointless to install a lock since the theft could just climb from the side after all.
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post Jan 11 2020, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(mitkey06 @ Jan 6 2020, 09:25 AM)
can I know what is the budgetary costs for a delux foldable autogate for around 20ft wide (inc of removing existing foldable gate) ?
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You’re looking somewhere RM 15-20k plus which is very expensive for a piece of gate.
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jan 10 2020, 09:27 PM)
Whats the recommended gate width for 2 cars to be able to go in and out side by side?
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15 feet and above is the recommended gate length for 2 cars to park side by side. If your front is 20’ you can maximise up to 18’
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Jan 15 2020, 09:15 AM)
gate's are so expensive now, 23k!!!  sweat.gif
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Technically is due to the advertisement and make believe that their gate is premium with trackless system. A normal 23’ wrought iron powder coated folding gate system cost just somewhere RM 8K with the motor system. In terms of durability, both gate uses ball bearing for mechanism movement and it will worn out as years goes by.
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QUOTE(Peppa_Pig @ Jan 17 2020, 12:05 PM)
Actually DELUX unigate uses third party motor which is DC moto.
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And Fargolli is using DC Moto GFM925 too
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QUOTE(dblcss @ Jan 19 2020, 03:45 PM)
Fagolli is using DC Moto because it's a subsidiary of the company. Delux use to use DC Moto also but maybe because to cut down their cost for the autogate system they go for arm type now which is so ugly when combine to trackless system. For me not because we are supporting any brand just in our point of view with DC Moto the trackless system look more impressive and elegant. Design and outlook after installation play a big part when customer are paying such high price compare to normal track metal gate system. If not important then just pay RM6-8K all in for a normal swing or folding track metal gate. Why pay so high if u just want a gate system that open and close when you get home or go out if not you want the design and outlook. For security purpose of cause the is none when someone want to go in your car porch area with the additional autolock also no use because they can just climb in. The autolock is just to make their job more difficult and delay them from easily access in. For security is better hv an IP camera which can alert you on the HP when there's any movement within your car porch area. Even better more if u hv an alarm system which u can trigger from your HP app when CCTV app alert you when it's not false alarm.
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For those gates around RM 6K to RM 8K can work as good as those trackless ones ONLY the gate fabricator get the right measurement for gate bearing hinges position. Most iron gate fabricator choose to ignore this problem they face, that’s where trackless gate being the answer. I’ve solved numerous folding gate having issue with centre bottom roller getting stuck upon trying to close the gate. And there are times I manage to open wider than before like shaving a few inches more space for customer to move in and out their vehicle.
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QUOTE(hafizhans @ Jan 21 2020, 09:45 PM)
hi, i recently changed my gate and kept the old autogate system with solenoid lock.
after few days only (silly me) i noticed my new gate not actually locked due to the person who installed the new gate position the solenoid lock bit higher (right picture) compared to original gate (left picture).
I plan to call the contractor back to install it a bit lower but i also noticed the circled part is missing.
can it still can lock w/o the circle part?
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tq in advance!
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Did you change the underground motor system?

Judging from both picture, your installer had “purposely” disable the solenoid lock by removing the locking mechanism pin. Looking at the second photo, I don’t see the pin in place. Somewhat being removed.
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QUOTE(hafizhans @ Jan 22 2020, 10:29 AM)
nope no change.
he said the pin already broken when he remove it from old gate.
can the lock still functioning w/o the pin?
right now i assume it is not functioning bcoz it's not fully touch the stopper.
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Once the pin removed, the locker mechanism won’t work. The only way is to replace the unit in order to have your gate locked by the locking system.
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QUOTE(bb.supplements @ Jan 23 2020, 12:42 PM)
Hey,If budget not a problem what is the best autogate system in market?

My gate specs is swing type.10feet

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My suggestion is that your motor have to install way on top as each motor side takes somewhere 7 to 9 inches of your gate length in which installing at the centre or bottom might be hit your vehicle.
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QUOTE(bb.supplements @ Jan 28 2020, 10:10 AM)
Im sorry.I dont quite understand what u trying to say.
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I mean any motor swing system will do for your 10 feet length gate but the motor must be installed on top for clearance.
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Put it this way, if a consumer have extra RM 10k to RM 15k than powder coated wrought iron gates to burn on their pocket money ain’t an issue. But that huge sum, does it really justify?

We can’t compare with bicycle or even a car as the price different provides a different class of vehicle.

We are basically talking about gates, I don’t mean to condemn Delux trackless gate are bad or whatsoever. If customer have RM 15-25k in their pocket, go ahead by all means. I’m here to recommend what gates for customers who do not have that big amount of money.

I usually quote for customer gates within 20feet or less. Wrought iron powder coated with stainless steel pipe, and stainless steel roller bearing axis on the centre bottom c/w Autogate system and cabling around RM 8k - RM 9k give or take.

BTW these days gates are normally powder coated. Hardly you’ll have painted gates as the price gap ain’t much. Powder coated last somewhere 5-10 years depending on environment.
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QUOTE(koceh87 @ May 2 2020, 01:31 AM)
I just bought autogate DCMOTO 925W.. instead using armoured cable, is advisable to use normal wire for wiring with 2.5mm or 4mm thickness and put it inside PVC pipe to prevent wire to get rotten?
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Technically 1.5mm cable is way more than enough. Each motor runs at DC12V at max current 6.5A (peak 78W) maximum output at 50W. Give or take when both motor runs at the same time around 150W @ DC12V for a run time of 20 seconds for 13Amps. Let say we convert back to AC 240volts amperage is around 1 amps plus.

Only use 2.5mm onwards if your cable distance is far like 30 meters and above. Cable length > resistance = drop voltage

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