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Which Diet is the best
 
Vegan- Plant based [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Vege- Ovo lacto [ 2 ] ** [20.00%]
KKM- Standard KKM diet pyramid [ 1 ] ** [10.00%]
Carnv- Meat Only [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
LowCal- Calorie Restriction [ 4 ] ** [40.00%]
Keto- Ketogenic\Low carb high fat. [ 2 ] ** [20.00%]
OMAD- One meal per day [ 1 ] ** [10.00%]
Paleo- Paleolithic/Caveman diet. [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
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axtray
post Aug 25 2022, 06:49 PM

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While Im at it, below are all the studies that I've found confirming no diet is superior to another.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8017325/ - 2021
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33107442/ - 2021 meta analysis.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31525701/ - 2020 meta analysis

Seriously im not against any form of diet. just do watever that you are able to sustain in the long term and not yo yo like what happened to me in the last few years.
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post Aug 26 2022, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(axtray @ Aug 25 2022, 06:19 PM)
The 3-5kg is obviously estimate. The fatter the person, the more water heshe carries. How is this not obvious enough to you seriously.

That's the 2004 article that I was referring to. You can cherry pick the studies all you want. But I've found plenty of other more recent ones published after that, which states otherwise. One which I shared earlier, and one other example
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18025815/

So yea my point still stands you were on caloric deficit lol
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If you're talking on celular level then i agree calorie deficit because calories from different foods are treated differently. But im talking about the food going into your mouth.
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post Aug 26 2022, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Satanist @ Aug 26 2022, 10:57 AM)
If you're talking on celular level then i agree calorie deficit because calories from different foods are treated differently. But im talking about the food going into your mouth.
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Everyfood that you consume contains macro nutrients. Every macro nutrients contains calories.

You eat 3 pieces of fried chicken totalling 900 cals. Is still 900 cals. Where the calories coming from protein and fats.

You eat 900 calories worth of pasta, is still 900 cals where it comes combination of carbs, protein and fat.

Yes they are not exactly the same simply because each macro nutrients have different thermic effect in order for the body to digest them. FYI protein is the highest at about 20-25% with fat actually being the lowest. I've mentioned this already in my previous post and even shared a video by Layne Norton, which you immediately discarded calling those ppl idiots.

So from the above example after taking into account thermic effect of food, net calories for the chicken is indeed lower. But it is mainly thanks to protein's high thermic effect. Not fat.

If someone is anal enough to go into such crazy length to track their calories, all the power to them. But the basis is still CICO, no matter what diet you're on
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post Aug 26 2022, 10:20 PM

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I support "beans diet"
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post Aug 26 2022, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(SupermanLick @ Aug 26 2022, 10:20 PM)
I support "beans diet"
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No good.
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post Sep 1 2022, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(axtray @ Aug 26 2022, 11:46 AM)
Everyfood that you consume contains macro nutrients. Every macro nutrients contains calories.

You eat 3 pieces of fried chicken totalling 900 cals. Is still 900 cals. Where the calories coming from protein and fats.

You eat 900 calories worth of pasta, is still 900 cals where it comes combination of carbs, protein and fat.

Yes they are not exactly the same simply because each macro nutrients have different thermic effect in order for the body to digest them. FYI protein is the highest at about 20-25% with fat actually being the lowest. I've mentioned this already in my previous post and even shared a video by Layne Norton, which you immediately discarded calling those ppl idiots.

So from the above example after taking into account thermic effect of food, net calories for the chicken is indeed lower. But it is mainly thanks to protein's high thermic effect. Not fat.

If someone is anal enough to go into such crazy length to track their calories, all the power to them. But the basis is still CICO, no matter what diet you're on
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I agree with this. The foods with higher thermic effect gives better effect. The regular foods with high thermic effect in my diet are shrimps, chicken breast, eggs, Greek yogurt, cashews, almonds, jalapenos , orange bell pepper, sweet potatoes, plums, banana, berries, apples.
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post Sep 1 2022, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Sep 1 2022, 12:01 AM)
I agree with this. The foods with higher thermic effect gives better effect. The regular foods with high thermic effect in my diet are shrimps, chicken breast, eggs, Greek yogurt, cashews, almonds, jalapenos , orange bell pepper, sweet potatoes, plums, banana, berries, apples.
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the more popular system to determine thermic effects would be the GI index

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index
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post Sep 1 2022, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(seraph00 @ Sep 1 2022, 01:11 PM)
the more popular system to determine thermic effects would be the GI index

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index
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Interesting & eye opening. Thanks for the link.
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post Sep 1 2022, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(seraph00 @ Sep 1 2022, 01:11 PM)
the more popular system to determine thermic effects would be the GI index

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index
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GI is inadequate. You hv to look at the GL also
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post Sep 3 2022, 11:46 AM

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After reading the related GI & GL, basically for all the refined carbs( flour & rice ) products need to be reduced in the daily meal intakes if the work nature is not labor intensive type.

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post Sep 5 2022, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Sep 3 2022, 11:46 AM)
After reading the related GI & GL, basically for all the refined carbs( flour & rice ) products need to be reduced in the daily meal intakes if the work nature is not labor intensive type.
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natural sentiment would be to reduce given the obesity rate nowadays.

However, your caloric intake is dependent on how much you burn on a daily basis. Sometimes you need to increase

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