Still u didnt address why same or higher calorie i lost weight compared to..'normal' diet. Water weight or not i got from 38 inch size pants to 31-32. Actually the weight is nonsense because fat is lighter than muscle. If your body learn how to use fat as fuel thats the key to losing size.

I did actually if you read again.

Keto, lost weight thanks to mainly on calorie deficit and less water retention

Normal diet, you gained likely due to water is introduced back to the body. Or probably underestimating the calorie count even.

You'll be surprised how water weight I. E.  Bloating can change the shape of your body, if you properly take time and observe that is.

And I emphasized do not simply refer to my fitness pal. Any tomdick and Harry can update info there. A plate of kueyteow for 350 cals? No way.

Being fat adapted, yes. But you cannot run from the law of conservation of energy. If that's the case i wouldn't have lost more than 25 kilos since mco1.0 till now eating watever I want, but watching my calories.

I'll also leave this here

Breakfast -
5 bacon 225 cals
3 ssu eggs 300 cals
Bulletproof coffee 140 cals per 100ml. I assume 200 so 280cals.
Total approximately 800 cals

For the dinner plate, coleslaw is 150 cals. With the 3 thighs equates to about 1011 cals. So how many servings of this dinner plate you have? Twice a day? Everyday even in thr 15kilo weight lost journey (congrats on this part)? Total will be approximately 2800 cals. If 3 servings 3600 cals with breakfast . Honestly I doubt you did this everyday.

Theres no deficit if we compare nasi lemak ayam 750cal with he above calories. You're deflecting.

Is all water weight gained back?? ..LOL you're wrong . As i told you before. Calories from different foods are metabolized differently in the body. No gym required. Never once i went to gym.

Another one of my fav b4 keto. 620cal per plate when plus 1 telur mata.. LOL calorie in calorie out debunked.
Btw I was vegetarian for 3 months as well even lost a 1kg +- thats it.

OK mali, snack plate vs maggi goreng ayam. LOL calorie in calorie out? 

Damn son, I can confidently say that I was almost in the same boat as you, thinking that keto was magical when i first started seeing my abs. but here's the hard truth, if you're not losing weight on watever diet you're on, you're just not on a deficit.

wrong son look at the calories again i posted and tell me im on a deficit. I should be on a deficit in 'normal' diet. Denial mode now? Calorie counting is obsolete.

which i did respond. 1.3k snack plate for a snack plate.

your version of 3 thighs + coles law are not even close to it.

and can you confidently confirm that the supposed 620 cals maggi+telo mata is the only thing that you have for the day? no way

OK fine.. KFC snackplate 1.3k cal vs 620 maggi goreng telor mata. but the diet i lost weight is on 1.3K cal. You understand the simple logic son?

Lol son, ive been quoting sources where in them, "actual" studies are being quoted.

You on the other hand, simply spewing stuff without any backing. Just because you lost some weight by sheer luck eating something that 1) puts you on a caloric deficit and 2) able to sustain the deficit in long term which lead to the weight loss makes you full time believer that keto is the holy grail of weight lost diet. Sorry son that's not how it works.

My argument is simple, if you're not losing weight, you're not on caloric deficit. If you get out of keto and ate your maggi telomata and gained weight, my previous post already covered on the cause behind it.

CICO, It's old, but it's physics. sorry son

Where the studies? Show me? All you show me are some idiots on youtube. My results are repeatable, 5 years in yo theres no sheer luck involved and Theres no deficit as shown in the calories of a a typical 'normal' meal(maggi goreng ayam telor mata) vs keto (snack plate). You want to count calories keto vs normal snacks? I assure you will lose gram for gram. Sorry son, its biology, not physics.

The so called "idiots" that i shared are basically the frontline people who are fighting against the people who glorify and spread fad diets. like you lol. And if you even bothered to read my posts properly, i did share an IG post which literally QUOTED the studies.

your results are repeatable and 5 years in and it's no sheer luck? It's simple. You just got it right from the start. you were on a deficit.

How are you so convinced that you were not on a deficit? by relying on myfitness pal that claims dinner plate is 1.3k calories? Newsflash, that's called overestimating. and it's one of key diet method for overweight ppl to lose weight. you want to know the actual calories, "WEIGH" them.

LMAO you call this a study? axtray

LOL why need to fight? Because those fellas are gym owners and CICO works for their business model.

Nope no deficit stop lying. Already shown screenshot you denier.

Weigh them? Do you even know how calories are determined son? And you claim physics? Want to check fat vs carbohydrate in energy density? Bring it. I know the answer.

There are 10 posts in it. Scroll them son. Look up the pmid numbers. Everything is there.

While as for your claims, I'm still waiting for any scientific evidence from you "claiming" calories don't matter while on keto.

CONCLUSIONS:
The present study shows the beneficial effects of a long-term ketogenic diet. It significantly reduced the body weight and body mass index of the patients. Furthermore, it decreased the level of triglycerides, LDL cholesterol and blood glucose, and increased the level of HDL cholesterol. Administering a ketogenic diet for a relatively longer period of time did not produce any significant side effects in the patients. Therefore, the present study confirms that it is safe to use a ketogenic diet for a longer period of time than previously demonstrated

Those PMID dont even detail what food they ate. Useless.
25182101 no keto. Low carb fastest weight loss.
32238384 no keto.
35443107 no keto

28193517 K.D.H. has received funding from the Nutrition Science Initiative to investigate the effects of ketogenic diets on human energy expenditure
I cite PMC2716748 then.

the 28193517 literally stated it already. tho it is meta analysis.

PMC2716748 on the other hand,
OBJECTIVE:
To determine the effects of a 24-week ketogenic diet (consisting of 30 g carbohydrate, 1 g/kg body weight protein, 20% saturated fat, and 80% polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat) in obese patients.

It did not state whether they're on a caloric deficit or not? Not able to calculate the caorie based from the vague fat intake percentage they gave. and these patients are obese too.
And to counter that, here you go
link

But we're getting abit off topic here. I am not trying to compare benefits of keto vs non keto. i've done both and i don't care. Im more interested with your claim that calories don't matter part.

I did found 1 research article (simple google search) that argues if calories matter or not on , but dated waaay back in 2004 which detailed on it. But it did also highlighted the rapid lost was also due to losing water as the diet has similar effect as diuretics.

the 28193517 literally stated it already. tho it is meta analysis.

Unreliable and contain conflict of interests.

Water weight 3-5kg only what u said that yourself. . No caloric deficit is the aim of the ketogenic diet waattt..

Then I invoke PMC506782 "A calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics lor.