Keto was the one that got me to first time see the abs.

Not sustainable tho, with one of the reason being rather expensive. Best diet is the one that you can stick to it in the long run. Took me a while to modify a normal diet eating watever i want and got me close to the result keto did.

Well my keto was aiming for 65% fat, 30% prot, 5% carb. That means on a 2500cals diet (standard for my cut), Need to ingest quite abit of meat to reach the prot intake.

Beef is not exactly cheap (more so the price is crazy now) so can't have it as often. only left with the usual chicken, eggs and cheese (processed). Got tired of them lol

I try not to deep fry stuff since it makes counting the calories even harder thus making the diet alot more rigid too.

Not exactly true. Calories do matter in any diet. Even keto. Just that ppl tend to lose weight thanks to the diet being more satiating.

I've seen plenty of ppl not losing weight on keto just because they think it's a magical gateway to infinite fried chickens and cheeses.

I wanted to portion size initially, but as I was dead set on reaching a goal, I added calorie counting just to make sure I'm on right track.

It became a habit now lol

Of course you can lose weight while on kfc. To give some perspective, 15 pieces of kfc chicken if all drumstick and wings only equates to about 2250 to 2500 calories.

6 pieces of the biggest piece which is the breast is around 2100 to 2500.

If you're 100 kilos and exercises at least 2-4 times a week, you tdee is around 2600-3000.

You're in a caloric deficit, you just didn't realize it.

Not trying to argue anything,but just trying to shed some light that no diet is magical

Lol there you go. Thigh and drumstick. At most they're only 450-500 cals together if youre on snack plate. Twice a day still at most 1k. How can you not lose weight.

And of course I needed the protein. How am I gonna recover from all the lifting if I don't consume enough

Plenty of research already debunked all these diet myths, keto,IF etc. But if your believe is already set in stone, nothing I say will change your mind unfortunately. If you can sustain it in the long run, then go ahead and keep on. Keto got me to where I wanted, but I didn't wanna miss out all the good carbs lol

Dinner plate is still 750-800 cals. Twice a day still 1600. Even if 3 times a day still 2400 max. Nope lol. What's next

Lol

The 2573 is only if you have all 3 thighs, for 3 sets of dinner plate. The figure i gave was based on 2 thigh 1 drumstick. It was just estimate. And do you even have Dinner plate 3 times a day in the first place? If yes everyday? On 1 sitting even? No exercise at all?

And it cost 60 bucks (if really dinner plate 3 times), that's not very sustainable for a lot of other ppl too, financially.
And take the figures as a reference only.with kfc malaysia now mainly serving spring sized chicken, the value is likely less.

Lol the funny thing is, this was the main reason why I quit keto.

When you're on keto, you're so glycogen depleted that you don't hold as much water. I can happily say that from the 15 kilos you lost, 3-5 kg (depending how overweight you were) is water.

You introduce carbs back into the diet, your body will hold more water, thanks to the glycogen. And to make it worse sodium will further help increase the water retention. Which makes you look soft and bloated.

I went on keto, got my abs. Mission accomplished. then introduced carbs back, with same calories while on keto, immediately gaining weight.

That's why I said, if youre able to sustain keto, just go for it.

I did actually if you read again.

Keto, lost weight thanks to mainly on calorie deficit and less water retention

Normal diet, you gained likely due to water is introduced back to the body. Or probably underestimating the calorie count even.

You'll be surprised how water weight I. E.  Bloating can change the shape of your body, if you properly take time and observe that is.

And I emphasized do not simply refer to my fitness pal. Any tomdick and Harry can update info there. A plate of kueyteow for 350 cals? No way.

Being fat adapted, yes. But you cannot run from the law of conservation of energy. If that's the case i wouldn't have lost more than 25 kilos since mco1.0 till now eating watever I want, but watching my calories.

I'll also leave this here

Breakfast -
5 bacon 225 cals
3 ssu eggs 300 cals
Bulletproof coffee 140 cals per 100ml. I assume 200 so 280cals.
Total approximately 800 cals

For the dinner plate, coleslaw is 150 cals. With the 3 thighs equates to about 1011 cals. So how many servings of this dinner plate you have? Twice a day? Everyday even in thr 15kilo weight lost journey (congrats on this part)? Total will be approximately 2800 cals. If 3 servings 3600 cals with breakfast . Honestly I doubt you did this everyday.

Damn son, I can confidently say that I was almost in the same boat as you, thinking that keto was magical when i first started seeing my abs. but here's the hard truth, if you're not losing weight on watever diet you're on, you're just not on a deficit.

which i did respond. 1.3k snack plate for a snack plate.

your version of 3 thighs + coles law are not even close to it.

and can you confidently confirm that the supposed 620 cals maggi+telo mata is the only thing that you have for the day? no way

Lol son, ive been quoting sources where in them, "actual" studies are being quoted.

You on the other hand, simply spewing stuff without any backing. Just because you lost some weight by sheer luck eating something that 1) puts you on a caloric deficit and 2) able to sustain the deficit in long term which lead to the weight loss makes you full time believer that keto is the holy grail of weight lost diet. Sorry son that's not how it works.

My argument is simple, if you're not losing weight, you're not on caloric deficit. If you get out of keto and ate your maggi telomata and gained weight, my previous post already covered on the cause behind it.

CICO, It's old, but it's physics. sorry son

The so called "idiots" that i shared are basically the frontline people who are fighting against the people who glorify and spread fad diets. like you lol. And if you even bothered to read my posts properly, i did share an IG post which literally QUOTED the studies.

your results are repeatable and 5 years in and it's no sheer luck? It's simple. You just got it right from the start. you were on a deficit.

How are you so convinced that you were not on a deficit? by relying on myfitness pal that claims dinner plate is 1.3k calories? Newsflash, that's called overestimating. and it's one of key diet method for overweight ppl to lose weight. you want to know the actual calories, "WEIGH" them.

There are 10 posts in it. Scroll them son. Look up the pmid numbers. Everything is there.

While as for your claims, I'm still waiting for any scientific evidence from you "claiming" calories don't matter while on keto.

CONCLUSIONS:
The present study shows the beneficial effects of a long-term ketogenic diet. It significantly reduced the body weight and body mass index of the patients. Furthermore, it decreased the level of triglycerides, LDL cholesterol and blood glucose, and increased the level of HDL cholesterol. Administering a ketogenic diet for a relatively longer period of time did not produce any significant side effects in the patients. Therefore, the present study confirms that it is safe to use a ketogenic diet for a longer period of time than previously demonstrated

the 28193517 literally stated it already. tho it is meta analysis.

PMC2716748 on the other hand,
OBJECTIVE:
To determine the effects of a 24-week ketogenic diet (consisting of 30 g carbohydrate, 1 g/kg body weight protein, 20% saturated fat, and 80% polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat) in obese patients.

It did not state whether they're on a caloric deficit or not? Not able to calculate the caorie based from the vague fat intake percentage they gave. and these patients are obese too.
And to counter that, here you go
link

But we're getting abit off topic here. I am not trying to compare benefits of keto vs non keto. i've done both and i don't care. Im more interested with your claim that calories don't matter part.

I did found 1 research article (simple google search) that argues if calories matter or not on , but dated waaay back in 2004 which detailed on it. But it did also highlighted the rapid lost was also due to losing water as the diet has similar effect as diuretics.

the 28193517 literally stated it already. tho it is meta analysis.

The 3-5kg is obviously estimate. The fatter the person, the more water heshe carries. How is this not obvious enough to you seriously.

That's the 2004 article that I was referring to. You can cherry pick the studies all you want. But I've found plenty of other more recent ones published after that, which states otherwise. One which I shared earlier, and one other example
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18025815/

So yea my point still stands you were on caloric deficit lol