yes they work hand in hand, but skill is more important.

why journalist buy MkIII / D1 and all those? because they know that some conditions require such gear. simple as that.

it'll be ridiculous to throw a pro a K750i and expect him to snap great action, right?

but look at it this way.

instead of comparing
no exp + expensive equipment VS good exp + lesser equipment

let's look at it this way


no exp + expensive equipment vs good exp + expensive equipment

and

no exp + lesser equipment vs good exp + lesser equipment


probably the only time the newbie outdoes the veteran would be when LUCK kicks in.

so in the above examples, I believe it's clear that skill (knowledge + experience) is more important than equipment. Just that equipment brings your skills to higher level.

well, if your budget permits you to get a better cam, wont you get a better cam?
i'm also considering the panny lx-2, canon g9, and the nikon p5100.

well, i think if one really have the skills and know-how, he can shoot equally good pics with a k800 in certain situations compared with someone using a hasselblad. you can see here. if you wanna print poster sized pics then of course dslr is a clear winner. but if you just wanna print a 4" x 6", then the equipment would not be a very big factor already.

and yeah, i do agree with goldfries that equipment do bring your skills to a higher level.

This post has been edited by anthrax33: Oct 3 2007, 04:38 PM

This is not fair! How can you tweak it to your argument.
Everyone also know if you thrown in same equipment to pro and non-pro,
the pro will win.

But it'll be different if
no exp + expensive equipment VS good exp + lesser equipment

Let this happened:
no exp + expensive equipment VS good exp + lesser equipment
and put them to take waterfall picture with long exposure during
bright daylight.

the good exp + lesser equipment will raise white flag even before
taking the challenge

Define "Good Photography".

but i forgot which one i havevoted and i forgot i already voted or not yet

what mean by long exposure during bright daylight.?? wanna kill your photo and sensor also??

depends on situation... if bright daylight but under the shade of tree situation.. pro definately win the no experience...

at night totally no light at all situation and the pro have no flash unit which ain`t fair for the pro also as no light for him to capture...
if there is light that enable the photographer to look at the model clearly.. something like at disco... pro also win the no experience...

photography ain`t just high key.. there is low key also...

so skills very important lor.

he still doesnt get it... skills play a MORE important role than eq... EQ IS ALSO IMPORTANT BUT NOT AS MUCH AS SKILL

what long exposure during bright daylight have to do with kill photo and sensor?


anyway, who want to feed me a MKIII and i dun mind become a noob

Y those journalist buy a MIII?

1st because of the image quality.

2nd the solid build of the body compare to others, those high end r build with alloy!

3rd Canon did giv some special discount to those company

Good photography....

I think its all about getting the best out of your equipment with whatever skills you have. If you are a pro and have a P&S camera, your shots should be nice
but you will feel there are limitations to the ultimate shots you have in mind. Then that will be time to upgrade.

To those novice with DSLR, it means nothing if you shots turn out so so only , as you cannot maximize your camera's potential

So the end of the day, a pro will always have lovely shots but may be limited by their equipment. Novice, will have novice shots whatever the equipment.

cool down guys, it's all about sharing knowledge, no one is absolute right and no one is wrong here

put things in real life situation, just to further confuse u guys

1) pro + pns - to capture fast motion of an F1 car in a high speed corner... before the pns manage to focus, the F1 car is gone ?

2) pro + pns/DSLR kitlens - how to shoot the pretty gal staying in the other block (which is reachable only by a 600mm)... maximum zoom also u'll see her as small as an ant... don't tell me spiderman/superman help u ok...

3) pro + handphone camera - for event in low light. Ask everyone to freeze for 1 sec ? hehehe

where does the skill come in the situation above ?

oh oh
let me add

4) ask david doubilet to take photographs of underwater corals with K750i, and wrap it with a plastic bag, seeing that equipment is not important...

Or ask Frans Lanting to use a PnS

i think this is a very good question.
what is a good photo?

good photo for you? an average lynians?
or good photo for a professional?
even for professional, there are alot of different 'field' in photography...
good photo for an architecture photographer? a food photographer? or a usual snap shot lomo photographer?

the master had spoken

i would say the art of producing a good photo. Don't want to argue on what is a good photo. Not the scope of this discussion or it will never end. That is another story all together

Let it be digital in this case, film photography can be a totally different journey esp. developing photo Don't want to go there, will complicate things

Is it the skill ? the equipment ? the post processing ? luck ? or everything ?

The poll results seems to be Everything with priority on skill.

me thinks the better question to ask is "good photographer" rather than "good photography".

and btw - pairing (pro + pns) vs (n00b + exp equ DSLR) comparison is just inappropriate, all 4 items used are totally subjective, not counting even the situation.

as i mentioned earlier, compare based on same equipment. this is best to prove a point that skill is still the most important tool of the trade.

your comparison is ridiculous, in such situation you put pro or n00b , both also limited by equipment la.

but even if given PnS, guarantee you'll see the pro snapping nicer stuff than the n00b due to skill difference. the art of knowinig when to snap and what to snap.

again, points back to skill being the more important factor.

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Added on October 4, 2007, 5:39 am

yup.

skill is priority.

same like F1 race (and almost every other thing else on earth) la. sure, equipment is important but the skill is MORE important.

the skill is the multiplier factor. of course, don't expect a pro to go into Sepang with PnS and snap F1 cars on the run la.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Oct 4 2007, 05:39 AM

coz he got only PnS. He can't tweak his Fnumber and ISO to be small enough
to have long exposure.

that's why EQuipment and skill is equally important.

and goldfries, here is a lame joke from me:
if you don't have camera, can you take photo? of course cannot right. so
equipment is very very important....... (just a lame joke ok)

but pns camera got time lag... and pro are not used to time lag when taking photos...

skill is important no doubt but equipment is equally important. just because we do not see the usefullness of using a mk3 camera doesnt mean it is unimportant...

anyway, this debate/arguement is kinda popular on forum around the world ya?
it's nice to see people's perception on this issue though.