i have seen people using camera phone taking better pics then me using SLR

DC n DSLR the difference is on the quality of the photo, not the way of how the photographer can take a photo.

If u got all those very expensive eq, u dun hv the skill, while a sifu using mayb juz a 3.2mp dc but wif skill, surely ppl will choose tat 1 wif skill not onli the quality.

U use DSLR but ppl use camera phone can take better pic the prob is skill.

If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense....

i think equipment only covers around 10-15% of the overall.
i've seen very good pictures taken with a sony t-30 if not mistaken of the model.
you can check it out at flikr.com

If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense....

I agree that
1st is skill
2nd is equipment
3rd is luck

IMO, actually normal digicam also can take fabulous night shots too.
like the t30, you set it to fireworks mode then the ev set to the max then you can take quite a nice night shot i think. you just have to tweak with the wb to achieve a better pic and of course use a tripod or put it on a bench or something.

here's a pic that i'd taken with a t30.

the oni thing i'm not satisfied is the wb in this pic la. cos that time dunno how to tweak it.

here's another one.

the wb also abit crap on this i think.

and yeah i do agree with you that current handphone cams cannot take night shots as decent as real digicams.
handphones are only meant to make and recieve calls, not to mention sms.
the only handphone cam that skim the surface of digicam quality pics is the SE k series with xenon flash lo i think but to a certain limit only (the night shots).

i'm just a noob in this and looking forward to learn more, please correct me if i'm wrong.

thanks. in those pic, i used long exposure to capture them. from the details of its file, it indicates 8s of exposure. and yeah, if wanna shoot bokehs or something like that sure cannot la. like i said, 10-15% of overall still depend on the equipment. even if you are using a Leica f/1.0 Noctilux but dunno how to use its potential also no use. right?
can you please elaborate more? i really want to improve my skill.

  thats not how it works... read my post here and you will know what i mean...
you wan to know why journalists hold 1dmark3? this is because of the quality of the pic... they need to print on magazines and so on...thats why quality is a very important aspect to them..imagine this.. if you use a handphone cam for photojournalism... try printing it out and you will see the huge difference between a dslr and a handphone cam...

skills play a MORE important role than equipment...listen to what a pro photographer has to say here.

for me skill takes 70% and equipment takes 30%.. but at some situation equipment also as important as skill..
example shooting sport...
i don`t think you wanna shoot with 18-55mm rather than 500mm right ?
coz the contestant/player might be as tiny as rice when printed out on magazine.... crop also can`t help much on this stage... 

another one is wildilfe photography...
this one also need bazooka lens as you don`t want face to face with tiger or something similar right or bird at the sky? 18-55mm 

A
but look at it this way.

instead of comparing
no exp + expensive equipment VS good exp + lesser equipment

B

let's look at it this way
no exp + expensive equipment vs good exp + expensive equipment

and

no exp + lesser equipment vs good exp + lesser equipment
probably the only time the newbie outdoes the veteran would be when LUCK kicks in.

what long exposure during bright daylight have to do with kill photo and sensor?
anyway, who want to feed me a MKIII and i dun mind become a noob 

but pns camera got time lag... and pro are not used to time lag when taking photos...

skill is important no doubt but equipment is equally important. just because we do not see the usefullness of using a mk3 camera doesnt mean it is unimportant...

anyway, this debate/arguement is kinda popular on forum around the world ya?
it's nice to see people's perception on this issue though.

shit..i can't take good photograph with my k750i

am i noob? 

let's see which one easier la, take out pns from my pocket and snap Amber Chia who happens to be walking by, or take out DSLR from bag - oops wrong lens mounted. aiyah......... perhaps you're the type that goes around with DSLR on the neck or carry all sorts of lens with you all the time.

PnS has its merits.

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Added on October 4, 2007, 10:08 amlook, no one's saying equipment is not important (anyone of you say that?) - people are just saying that in terms of important, skills rank higher.

like what i mentioned earlier, skill is the multiplication factor. given same gear, the one with more skill does better.

skills can be learned... without good camera 4ever cant take nice photo.
hence, equipment > skill

see... you can put both of this guys in a situation where it win you your arguement... and i can do it as well...
it is a never ending war...

if you go like that then i might as well also say EQUIPMENT CAN BE BOUGHT.

as i continue to talk about gears, at one point he was saying that we can exchange gears and see who produces better shots - clearly he was telling me skill is more important.

but nevertheless, i was arguing for fun. miss debating.

seriously la guys. skill more important or equipment equally important as skill - does it matter? both also important la, 'nuff said.