QUOTE(orenzai @ Oct 3 2007, 06:21 AM)
Your SLR got problem. Go buy another one.Good photography, Equipment or Skill ?
Good photography, Equipment or Skill ?
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Oct 3 2007, 08:47 AM
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Oct 3 2007, 09:07 AM
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I agree that
1st is skill 2nd is equipment 3rd is luck |
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Oct 3 2007, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Oct 3 2007, 04:05 AM) Equipment. You get sifu using 3.2mp kodak camera and get noob using in auto mode DSLR (in3.2mp resolution) camera see the difference. QUOTE(orenzai @ Oct 3 2007, 07:21 AM) QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 3 2007, 09:47 AM) DC n DSLR the difference is on the quality of the photo, not the way of how the photographer can take a photo.If u got all those very expensive eq, u dun hv the skill, while a sifu using mayb juz a 3.2mp dc but wif skill, surely ppl will choose tat 1 wif skill not onli the quality. U use DSLR but ppl use camera phone can take better pic the prob is skill. If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense.... |
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Oct 3 2007, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE(zzloo @ Oct 3 2007, 09:53 AM) DC n DSLR the difference is on the quality of the photo, not the way of how the photographer can take a photo. this is not really true, here come the contraversial thing. PnS is very good at macro shot, which cannot be done by most of the kitlens on DSLR. No matter how skillful u r, it's a no no !If u got all those very expensive eq, u dun hv the skill, while a sifu using mayb juz a 3.2mp dc but wif skill, surely ppl will choose tat 1 wif skill not onli the quality. U use DSLR but ppl use camera phone can take better pic the prob is skill. If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense.... |
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Oct 3 2007, 10:52 AM
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turn the kitlens around and you'll get macro lens already.
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Oct 3 2007, 10:59 AM
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Oct 3 2007, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE(zzloo @ Oct 3 2007, 09:53 AM) DC n DSLR the difference is on the quality of the photo, not the way of how the photographer can take a photo. wrong wrong wrong....If u got all those very expensive eq, u dun hv the skill, while a sifu using mayb juz a 3.2mp dc but wif skill, surely ppl will choose tat 1 wif skill not onli the quality. U use DSLR but ppl use camera phone can take better pic the prob is skill. If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense.... you can't get good bokeh with your handphone cam.... equipment and skill goes hand in hand....no matter what people talk about skill.....all are really bullshit. If PnS can take good picture, why journalist need to buy MKIII, D1, etc? so people who said only skill matters is taking crap... |
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Oct 3 2007, 01:44 PM
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i think equipment only covers around 10-15% of the overall.
i've seen very good pictures taken with a sony t-30 if not mistaken of the model. you can check it out at flikr.com |
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Oct 3 2007, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(anthrax33 @ Oct 3 2007, 01:44 PM) i think equipment only covers around 10-15% of the overall. but not all picture can be nice. certain time need dSLR. like no flash and low light photography.i've seen very good pictures taken with a sony t-30 if not mistaken of the model. you can check it out at flikr.com how to take with normal handphone cam or? even digicam also cannot lar (except F31fd) no making sense la. Added on October 3, 2007, 2:05 pm QUOTE(zzloo @ Oct 3 2007, 09:53 AM) If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense.... hehe, non taken....i just joking onli mah...Added on October 3, 2007, 2:07 pm QUOTE(barlogteoh @ Oct 3 2007, 09:07 AM) Not agree.Skill and equipment tied at number 1.... and luck is at far 3.... This post has been edited by gogo2: Oct 3 2007, 02:07 PM |
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Oct 3 2007, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 3 2007, 01:57 PM) but not all picture can be nice. certain time need dSLR. like no flash and low light photography. IMO, actually normal digicam also can take fabulous night shots too.how to take with normal handphone cam or? even digicam also cannot lar (except F31fd) no making sense la. like the t30, you set it to fireworks mode then the ev set to the max then you can take quite a nice night shot i think. you just have to tweak with the wb to achieve a better pic and of course use a tripod or put it on a bench or something. here's a pic that i'd taken with a t30. ![]() the oni thing i'm not satisfied is the wb in this pic la. cos that time dunno how to tweak it. here's another one. ![]() the wb also abit crap on this i think. and yeah i do agree with you that current handphone cams cannot take night shots as decent as real digicams. handphones are only meant to make and recieve calls, not to mention sms. the only handphone cam that skim the surface of digicam quality pics is the SE k series with xenon flash lo i think but to a certain limit only (the night shots). i'm just a noob in this and looking forward to learn more, please correct me if i'm wrong. |
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Oct 3 2007, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(anthrax33 @ Oct 3 2007, 02:35 PM) IMO, actually normal digicam also can take fabulous night shots too. wow, nice pic. good color. luv ur pic. show more ya... like the t30, you set it to fireworks mode then the ev set to the max then you can take quite a nice night shot i think. you just have to tweak with the wb to achieve a better pic and of course use a tripod or put it on a bench or something. here's a pic that i'd taken with a t30. ![]() the oni thing i'm not satisfied is the wb in this pic la. cos that time dunno how to tweak it. here's another one. ![]() the wb also abit crap on this i think. and yeah i do agree with you that current handphone cams cannot take night shots as decent as real digicams. handphones are only meant to make and recieve calls, not to mention sms. the only handphone cam that skim the surface of digicam quality pics is the SE k series with xenon flash lo i think but to a certain limit only (the night shots). i'm just a noob in this and looking forward to learn more, please correct me if i'm wrong. anyway, not all night shot can be taking. maybe the one u take can. but in other circumstances like long exposure and stuff like that |
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Oct 3 2007, 02:56 PM
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Oct 3 2007, 02:57 PM
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What is "ev" ?
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Oct 3 2007, 03:05 PM
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Oct 3 2007, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 3 2007, 02:46 PM) wow, nice pic. good color. luv ur pic. show more ya... thanks. in those pic, i used long exposure to capture them. from the details of its file, it indicates 8s of exposure. and yeah, if wanna shoot bokehs or something like that sure cannot la. like i said, 10-15% of overall still depend on the equipment. even if you are using a Leica f/1.0 Noctilux but dunno how to use its potential also no use. right?anyway, not all night shot can be taking. maybe the one u take can. but in other circumstances like long exposure and stuff like that QUOTE(aichiban @ Oct 3 2007, 02:56 PM) can you please elaborate more? i really want to improve my skill.This post has been edited by anthrax33: Oct 3 2007, 03:41 PM |
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Oct 3 2007, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(anthrax33 @ Oct 3 2007, 03:39 PM) thanks. in those pic, i used long exposure to capture them. from the details of its file, it indicates 8s of exposure. and yeah, if wanna shoot bokehs or something like that sure cannot la. like i said, 10-15% of overall still depend on the equipment. even if you are using a Leica f/1.0 Noctilux but dunno how to use its potential also no use. right? if something cannot be done at all with your Pns, means dSLR is really important. it should be 50% skill and 50% equipment.can you please elaborate more? i really want to improve my skill. without equipment, u can't even take those circumstances... |
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Oct 3 2007, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE(zzloo @ Oct 3 2007, 09:53 AM) DC n DSLR the difference is on the quality of the photo, not the way of how the photographer can take a photo. that was what i was trying to imply If u got all those very expensive eq, u dun hv the skill, while a sifu using mayb juz a 3.2mp dc but wif skill, surely ppl will choose tat 1 wif skill not onli the quality. U use DSLR but ppl use camera phone can take better pic the prob is skill. If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense.... QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 3 2007, 01:30 PM) wrong wrong wrong.... you can't get good bokeh with your handphone cam.... equipment and skill goes hand in hand....no matter what people talk about skill.....all are really bullshit. If PnS can take good picture, why journalist need to buy MKIII, D1, etc? so people who said only skill matters is taking crap... QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 3 2007, 03:53 PM) if something cannot be done at all with your Pns, means dSLR is really important. it should be 50% skill and 50% equipment. without equipment, u can't even take those circumstances... you wan to know why journalists hold 1dmark3? this is because of the quality of the pic... they need to print on magazines and so on...thats why quality is a very important aspect to them..imagine this.. if you use a handphone cam for photojournalism... try printing it out and you will see the huge difference between a dslr and a handphone cam... skills play a MORE important role than equipment...listen to what a pro photographer has to say here. |
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Oct 3 2007, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(orenzai @ Oct 3 2007, 04:02 PM) that was what i was trying to imply for me skill takes 70% and equipment takes 30%.. but at some situation equipment also as important as skill..you wan to know why journalists hold 1dmark3? this is because of the quality of the pic... they need to print on magazines and so on...thats why quality is a very important aspect to them..imagine this.. if you use a handphone cam for photojournalism... try printing it out and you will see the huge difference between a dslr and a handphone cam... skills play a MORE important role than equipment...listen to what a pro photographer has to say here. example shooting sport... i don`t think you wanna shoot with 18-55mm rather than 500mm right ? coz the contestant/player might be as tiny as rice when printed out on magazine.... crop also can`t help much on this stage... another one is wildilfe photography... this one also need bazooka lens as you don`t want face to face with tiger or something similar right or bird at the sky? 18-55mm |
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Oct 3 2007, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(orenzai @ Oct 3 2007, 04:02 PM) you wan to know why journalists hold 1dmark3? this is because of the quality of the pic... they need to print on magazines and so on...thats why quality is a very important aspect to them..imagine this.. if you use a handphone cam for photojournalism... try printing it out and you will see the huge difference between a dslr and a handphone cam... skills play a MORE important role than equipment...listen to what a pro photographer has to say here. can't just take the photo without dSLR no matter how skillful you are....then you'll cry, why don't I have a dSLR... QUOTE(snowmei @ Oct 3 2007, 04:12 PM) for me skill takes 70% and equipment takes 30%.. but at some situation equipment also as important as skill.. example shooting sport... i don`t think you wanna shoot with 18-55mm rather than 500mm right ? coz the contestant/player might be as tiny as rice when printed out on magazine.... crop also can`t help much on this stage... another one is wildilfe photography... this one also need bazooka lens as you don`t want face to face with tiger or something similar right or bird at the sky? 18-55mm |
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Oct 3 2007, 04:18 PM
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yup...both play their role in diff situations...
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