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post Oct 3 2007, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(orenzai @ Oct 3 2007, 06:21 AM)
i have seen people using camera phone taking better pics then me using SLR blush.gif
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Your SLR got problem. Go buy another one.
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post Oct 3 2007, 09:07 AM

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I agree that
1st is skill
2nd is equipment
3rd is luck

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post Oct 3 2007, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Oct 3 2007, 04:05 AM)
Equipment. You get sifu using 3.2mp kodak camera and get noob using in auto mode DSLR (in3.2mp resolution) camera see the difference.
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QUOTE(orenzai @ Oct 3 2007, 07:21 AM)
i have seen people using camera phone taking better pics then me using SLR blush.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 3 2007, 09:47 AM)
Your SLR got problem. Go buy another one.
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DC n DSLR the difference is on the quality of the photo, not the way of how the photographer can take a photo.

If u got all those very expensive eq, u dun hv the skill, while a sifu using mayb juz a 3.2mp dc but wif skill, surely ppl will choose tat 1 wif skill not onli the quality.

U use DSLR but ppl use camera phone can take better pic the prob is skill.

If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense....
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QUOTE(zzloo @ Oct 3 2007, 09:53 AM)
DC n DSLR the difference is on the quality of the photo, not the way of how the photographer can take a photo.

If u got all those very expensive eq, u dun hv the skill, while a sifu using mayb juz a 3.2mp dc but wif skill, surely ppl will choose tat 1 wif skill not onli the quality.

U use DSLR but ppl use camera phone can take better pic the prob is skill.

If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense....
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this is not really true, here come the contraversial thing. PnS is very good at macro shot, which cannot be done by most of the kitlens on DSLR. No matter how skillful u r, it's a no no !
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post Oct 3 2007, 10:52 AM

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turn the kitlens around and you'll get macro lens already. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 3 2007, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 3 2007, 02:27 AM)
with digital, spam only mah. after 20 shots, sure 1 looks quite ok. can adjust with software some more.
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ROFL laugh.gif Pretty true...
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post Oct 3 2007, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(zzloo @ Oct 3 2007, 09:53 AM)
DC n DSLR the difference is on the quality of the photo, not the way of how the photographer can take a photo.

If u got all those very expensive eq, u dun hv the skill, while a sifu using mayb juz a 3.2mp dc but wif skill, surely ppl will choose tat 1 wif skill not onli the quality.

U use DSLR but ppl use camera phone can take better pic the prob is skill.

If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense....
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wrong wrong wrong....

you can't get good bokeh with your handphone cam....

equipment and skill goes hand in hand....no matter what people talk
about skill.....all are really bullshit. If PnS can take good picture,
why journalist need to buy MKIII, D1, etc? so people who said only
skill matters is taking crap...
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post Oct 3 2007, 01:44 PM

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i think equipment only covers around 10-15% of the overall.
i've seen very good pictures taken with a sony t-30 if not mistaken of the model.
you can check it out at flikr.com
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post Oct 3 2007, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(anthrax33 @ Oct 3 2007, 01:44 PM)
i think equipment only covers around 10-15% of the overall.
i've seen very good pictures taken with a sony t-30 if not mistaken of the model.
you can check it out at flikr.com
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but not all picture can be nice. certain time need dSLR. like no flash and low light photography.
how to take with normal handphone cam or? even digicam also cannot lar (except F31fd) no making sense la.


Added on October 3, 2007, 2:05 pm
QUOTE(zzloo @ Oct 3 2007, 09:53 AM)
If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense....
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hehe, non taken....i just joking onli mah...


Added on October 3, 2007, 2:07 pm
QUOTE(barlogteoh @ Oct 3 2007, 09:07 AM)
I agree that
1st is skill
2nd is equipment
3rd is luck

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Not agree.

Skill and equipment tied at number 1....
and luck is at far 3....
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This post has been edited by gogo2: Oct 3 2007, 02:07 PM
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post Oct 3 2007, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 3 2007, 01:57 PM)
but not all picture can be nice. certain time need dSLR. like no flash and low light photography.
how to take with normal handphone cam or? even digicam also cannot lar (except F31fd) no making sense la.
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IMO, actually normal digicam also can take fabulous night shots too.
like the t30, you set it to fireworks mode then the ev set to the max then you can take quite a nice night shot i think. you just have to tweak with the wb to achieve a better pic and of course use a tripod or put it on a bench or something.

here's a pic that i'd taken with a t30.
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the oni thing i'm not satisfied is the wb in this pic la. cos that time dunno how to tweak it.

here's another one.
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the wb also abit crap on this i think.

and yeah i do agree with you that current handphone cams cannot take night shots as decent as real digicams.
handphones are only meant to make and recieve calls, not to mention sms.
the only handphone cam that skim the surface of digicam quality pics is the SE k series with xenon flash lo i think but to a certain limit only (the night shots).

i'm just a noob in this and looking forward to learn more, please correct me if i'm wrong.
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QUOTE(anthrax33 @ Oct 3 2007, 02:35 PM)
IMO, actually normal digicam also can take fabulous night shots too.
like the t30, you set it to fireworks mode then the ev set to the max then you can take quite a nice night shot i think. you just have to tweak with the wb to achieve a better pic and of course use a tripod or put it on a bench or something.

here's a pic that i'd taken with a t30.
user posted image
the oni thing i'm not satisfied is the wb in this pic la. cos that time dunno how to tweak it.

here's another one.
user posted image
the wb also abit crap on this i think.

and yeah i do agree with you that current handphone cams cannot take night shots as decent as real digicams.
handphones are only meant to make and recieve calls, not to mention sms.
the only handphone cam that skim the surface of digicam quality pics is the SE k series with xenon flash lo i think but to a certain limit only (the night shots).

i'm just a noob in this and looking forward to learn more, please correct me if i'm wrong.
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wow, nice pic. good color. luv ur pic. show more ya...

anyway, not all night shot can be taking. maybe the one u take can. but in other circumstances like long exposure
and stuff like that tongue.gif tongue.gif take care and happy shooting...
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post Oct 3 2007, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(anthrax33 @ Oct 3 2007, 02:35 PM)
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wanna show bad equipment, or bad skill? or both? unsure.gif
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post Oct 3 2007, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(goliath @ Oct 3 2007, 02:57 PM)
What is "ev" ?  hmm.gif
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post Oct 3 2007, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 3 2007, 02:46 PM)
wow, nice pic. good color. luv ur pic. show more ya...

anyway, not all night shot can be taking. maybe the one u take can. but in other circumstances like long exposure
and stuff like that tongue.gif tongue.gif take care and happy shooting...
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thanks. in those pic, i used long exposure to capture them. from the details of its file, it indicates 8s of exposure. and yeah, if wanna shoot bokehs or something like that sure cannot la. like i said, 10-15% of overall still depend on the equipment. even if you are using a Leica f/1.0 Noctilux but dunno how to use its potential also no use. right?

QUOTE(aichiban @ Oct 3 2007, 02:56 PM)
wanna show bad equipment, or bad skill? or both?  unsure.gif
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can you please elaborate more? i really want to improve my skill.

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QUOTE(anthrax33 @ Oct 3 2007, 03:39 PM)
thanks. in those pic, i used long exposure to capture them. from the details of its file, it indicates 8s of exposure. and yeah, if wanna shoot bokehs or something like that sure cannot la. like i said, 10-15% of overall still depend on the equipment. even if you are using a Leica f/1.0 Noctilux but dunno how to use its potential also no use. right?
can you please elaborate more? i really want to improve my skill.
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if something cannot be done at all with your Pns, means dSLR is really important. it should be 50% skill and 50% equipment.
without equipment, u can't even take those circumstances... tongue.gif else you won't considering k100d, d40, or 400d now won't you... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(zzloo @ Oct 3 2007, 09:53 AM)
DC n DSLR the difference is on the quality of the photo, not the way of how the photographer can take a photo.

If u got all those very expensive eq, u dun hv the skill, while a sifu using mayb juz a 3.2mp dc but wif skill, surely ppl will choose tat 1 wif skill not onli the quality.

U use DSLR but ppl use camera phone can take better pic the prob is skill.

If you juz say tat the SLR got prob, go buy another. IMO, this will onli shows tat u r a noob....No offense....
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that was what i was trying to imply smile.gif

QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 3 2007, 01:30 PM)
wrong wrong wrong....

you can't get good bokeh with your handphone cam....

equipment and skill goes hand in hand....no matter what people talk
about skill.....all are really bullshit. If PnS can take good picture,
why journalist need to buy MKIII, D1, etc? so people who said only
skill matters is taking crap...
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 3 2007, 03:53 PM)
if something cannot be done at all with your Pns, means dSLR is really important. it should be 50% skill and 50% equipment.
without equipment, u can't even take those circumstances... tongue.gif else you won't considering k100d, d40, or 400d now won't you... tongue.gif
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shakehead.gif thats not how it works... read my post here and you will know what i mean...
you wan to know why journalists hold 1dmark3? this is because of the quality of the pic... they need to print on magazines and so on...thats why quality is a very important aspect to them..imagine this.. if you use a handphone cam for photojournalism... try printing it out and you will see the huge difference between a dslr and a handphone cam...

skills play a MORE important role than equipment...listen to what a pro photographer has to say here.
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QUOTE(orenzai @ Oct 3 2007, 04:02 PM)
that was what i was trying to imply smile.gif
shakehead.gif  thats not how it works... read my post here and you will know what i mean...
you wan to know why journalists hold 1dmark3? this is because of the quality of the pic... they need to print on magazines and so on...thats why quality is a very important aspect to them..imagine this.. if you use a handphone cam for photojournalism... try printing it out and you will see the huge difference between a dslr and a handphone cam...

skills play a MORE important role than equipment...listen to what a pro photographer has to say here.
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for me skill takes 70% and equipment takes 30%.. but at some situation equipment also as important as skill..
example shooting sport...
i don`t think you wanna shoot with 18-55mm rather than 500mm right ?
coz the contestant/player might be as tiny as rice when printed out on magazine.... crop also can`t help much on this stage... sweat.gif

another one is wildilfe photography...
this one also need bazooka lens as you don`t want face to face with tiger or something similar right or bird at the sky? 18-55mm sweat.gif
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post Oct 3 2007, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(orenzai @ Oct 3 2007, 04:02 PM)
shakehead.gif  thats not how it works... read my post here and you will know what i mean...
you wan to know why journalists hold 1dmark3? this is because of the quality of the pic... they need to print on magazines and so on...thats why quality is a very important aspect to them..imagine this.. if you use a handphone cam for photojournalism... try printing it out and you will see the huge difference between a dslr and a handphone cam...

skills play a MORE important role than equipment...listen to what a pro photographer has to say here.
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shakehead.gif thats not what I'm trying to imply. read post below. in summary, in some circumstances, you
can't just take the photo without dSLR no matter how skillful you are....then you'll cry, why don't I have a dSLR... laugh.gif

QUOTE(snowmei @ Oct 3 2007, 04:12 PM)
for me skill takes 70% and equipment takes 30%.. but at some situation equipment also as important as skill..
example shooting sport...
i don`t think you wanna shoot with 18-55mm rather than 500mm right ?
coz the contestant/player might be as tiny as rice when printed out on magazine.... crop also can`t help much on this stage...  sweat.gif

another one is wildilfe photography...
this one also need bazooka lens as you don`t want face to face with tiger or something similar right or bird at the sky? 18-55mm  sweat.gif
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post Oct 3 2007, 04:18 PM

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yup...both play their role in diff situations...

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