As for a poor earning man like me.. just got my 2nd hand 3gen city yesterday.. and one thing i can say.. the city is a damn great ride.. feels far better than my brother's vios! just love accelerating using the 7speed manual at traffic lights

Got a sweet ICE upgrade the same day.. as for exterior looks, planning to start off with a spoiler.. any suggestions on which type of spoiler to use?

yup.. the silver one.. kaw tim summore wit the seller and got price cut summore.. all totaling to 59500 (incl. insurance)

did try to find other ct's, maybe a black 2004 idsi, but most I found were a bit 'seasoned' and indeed 2nd 2004 black idsi city are quite hard to find, so lack of choice.. summore mileage all up to 60K++.. so settled for this one lorr

Ok what waja.. at least u weren't driving a kelisa for the past 5yrs like me






the duck tail.. hmm.. looks promising.. but if you use on a silver ct, looks less aggressive compared on black ct's imho.. but will give a look see..






after seeing this, the mugen spoiler also seems like a good choice..



DARN IT! JUST LOVE BLACK CT'S! too bad got to settle for silver

This post has been edited by Fasap: Oct 18 2007, 12:39 AM

ya lor.. been asking around oso abt the color choice..

if ure usually goin outstation like me, surely ure car's gonna look like a habuk dispenser.. black car means super-extra care to maintain cleanliness.. if silver u still can get away without washing ure ride for a a week or two.. that's why in the end i chose the silver one loo..

hey bro.. so u said ure getting ure ct by dec or jan rite? you goin for a new one or a 2nd one? made up mind yet?

Teamcity.rules.it

yup.. already joined it EVEN B4 I BOUGHT MY CAR ... being a 'silent observer' just only now ive started posting When you get ure ct then we join the membership n get our TC number together lorr

2nd hand? good choice bro.. loan finish faster, debts finish early, then get to buy other dream car


Whoa.. nice ride.. wish got the time and muney to do mine like that

yeah, thais got loadsa swell and sweet b/kit designs.. we're just stuck with the standard modulo & mugen & airmaster kits.. just love the 'Dominator' Kit the thais sometime use.

wish I could get my hands on this kit:





This post has been edited by Fasap: Oct 18 2007, 09:38 AM

that's why you gotta hv race car driving experience/skills to use large spoilers or GT Wings

for normal ppl like myself just use the ducktail is enough

Just joking la bro.. dont be so harsh

but still common sense la bro, if youre not attuned to a limited rear view of course dangerous la.. some ppl might use the huge spoilers just for cosmetic reason without proper knowledge.

Race cars use big rear spoilers to provide the aerodynamic downforce they need to tackle corners at insane speeds (i.e no need to worry abt a Mat Repit coming in on a rear blind spot of the wing/spoiler) and mind you their spoilers are well designed to provide such downforce imho. Some ppl, on the other hand, need a big rear wing because it looks damn cool and they want to be 'sporty' without considering whether their wing/spoiler truly has the downforce effect on their car.

Since a wing or any other aerodynamic piece added to a car affects the entire flowfield around the car, the benefits to one type of car over another is not so easily seen. There are large changes to the turbulent flow profile that will change how much downforce and drag are created. So a spoiler/wing works differently on different types of car designs. In other words, when you gain more downforce, you gain a little drag, and you loose some speed. Its all in the stabilty to speed ratio. Some ppl ive met oso think that the bigger the spoiler/wing the faster your car can go!

summore, imho, the ct has a high rear view profile, so its quite awkward to have a clean view of the rear even without any spoilers. Maybe its me, but most modern cars are built this way nowadays as their base designs have good aerodynamics and provide ample downforce, even without a spoiler/wing at the rear. (or izzit malaysian mentality wants LARGE trunk space for balik kampung? )

And for the Ducktail/duckbill, its nearly, purely cosmetic upgrade without proper design. according from what i remember frm me physics classes the Newton's Laws of Motion comes to play. In particular, Newton's Second Law, which states that, "the time-rate-of-change of momentum equals the force acting on the body." Well, the body in this case happens to be trillions upon trillions of air molecules and the momentum change refers to the re-directing of the molecules upwards. Newton's Third Law states that "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction" and this also works in aerodynamics. Thus, if a body (such as a duckbill)forces air molecules to go upwards, then the air molecules push back on the body. As a result, downforce is created if the air is forced upwards and lift is generated when air is forced downwards. So a simple duckbill/ducktail like the one that aarex shown isn't forcing too much air to go upwards and not much downforce is generated as a result. You've got to move a lot of air upwards to generate much downforce. hence higher slope like the one i shown on the black CT.

.... phew now that's some sh1t i wrote there.. you guys dun need to read if u dont want

So, just like I said.. it all depends on your experience and skills in driving when u want o use a large wing/spoiler.

do correct me if im wrong..

cheers!

This post has been edited by Fasap: Oct 18 2007, 11:49 AM

No prob to wait loo.. I'm also currently at stock parts no point joining their gatherings now .. maybe by nxt year oredi upgrade, hv more confidence to join the TC guys

Im from Kajang

Not that informative loo.. just what i remembered during my student days

Cheers dude..

of coz la bro.. hv car then only can talk this much

when u get ure car 4sure ure gonna be talking as loud as me.. hahah

thick skin no care! nice one! there's no official gath for TC them rite now.. maybe when they hv official meet up we can go 2gether-gether (stock people ) la and do some STOCKtakeover..

Yeah.. TOVA has great articles abt honda cars.. I fell in love with the CT after reading these.. (3gen one):

http://asia.vtec.net/article/2003City2/index.html
eventho its an old article, its got great tips & techniques on using the 7-speed CVT to full potential..

and

http://asia.vtec.net/beystock/honda/SportsConcept/HMCity/

Honda is certainly is at the forefront of innovation imho.. compared to the Big T who's sole objective is to conquer the market, in our region that is..

This post has been edited by Fasap: Oct 19 2007, 03:09 PM

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Added on October 20, 2007, 2:15 amIMHO, the CVT does not operate with 4-speed gear in an actual gear mode. 1st of all it has an infinite gear ratio, thus eliminating the fact that it is same as 4-speed. We call it the 4-speed auto because it has 4 FIXED gear ratios to deliver power. CVT in normal drive (i.e L,S,D) has infinate gear ratios (hence the Continuously Variable) and therefore no apparent jerking during your drive due to the ratios that varies depending on your driving style. On the other hand, when you use the 7-speed, you have 7 FIXED virtual gear ratios to provide you with better performance due to higher RPM developed by the fixed ratios.

Summore... 4-speed g/box requires a torque converter to deliver power to the flywheel, whereas CVT connects directly to the flywheel to transfer the power, eliminating the need of a torque converter (lesser engine strain = lower FC )

Do correct me if i'm wrong, but frm the looks of it (and what ive read frm TOVA) the 'gears' here are represented by the two v-shaped cones shown above (in engineering terms it's called the Conical Gear)..

Here's an article abt how the CVT principle works;

http://asia.vtec.net/article/DriveMMT/index.html

although its not the same g/box as in the city we know, the technology is the same as the one 1st introduced back in 1995 in the EK3 Ferio Civic's MMT transmission system.. the current CVT's big brother

here's also an article on how to use the CVT-7 at best potential:

http://asia.vtec.net/article/2003City/index.html

I just dont understand why Honda removed the 7speed steermatic frm the new FL 4gen idsi... Yeah I understand that the 7speed mode consumes more fuel than normal transmission mode.. but it seems that they're trying imply the idsi buyer's dont want to have 'FUN', and only VTEC ppl are the ones that are allowed to have some fun..

This post has been edited by Fasap: Oct 20 2007, 02:32 AM

Aiyaa babyk.. working so hard to poison ppl to buy 8th gen civic ahh.. you get some incentive mooooney frm honda izzit? summore want to give out 'babyk loan' if you can refinance my car under your loan wit 0.01% interest i take la..


Wah! apisgogo.. same plan as me loooh! 3-4 years in my current CT and im opting for a civic 2.0s or Type-R oso.. by that time my salary surely can afford.. start slow-slow..

summore a new 9th gen civic might come out by then ohh well..

once you go honda u never look back (even if tis 2nd hand )

This post has been edited by Fasap: Oct 21 2007, 09:16 PM

Seriously.. I dont know if its just me, but roads nowadays seem to be flooded with CT and Civics.. anywhere you go u can see a CT or a Civic.. Just having the feeling that CTs are going to overtake Vios' sales

even now CTs are starting to flood our streets, imagine when the new fit/aria model comes out.. summore, the big T's Dugong-mobile () will have a hard time to live up to its predecessor's reputation, imho..

but still if the prices arent competitive, its going to be a rough journey for honda..

Yeah.. i did sounded like a blind basher , didnt mean to disgrace toyota and such.. I too was a vios enthusiast a few months back.. I even NEARLY bought myself a vios in june!

I even called the CT an Ikan lumba2 (i.e dolphin) and my dad used to call it 'Honda tak cukup bulan' (i.e stillborn honda) but gatal2 went to testdrv my fren's CT.. I was 'converted' then and there by the NVH, spaciousness and of course zooming off at trafficlites using S-Mode + 7speed Manual...

so its true.. dont judge a book by its cover.. so i wont judge the new vios coz i havent drove it yet who knows i might buy it next... Bah!! fat chance!

This post has been edited by Fasap: Oct 22 2007, 05:01 PM

Sweeet!

The new FiT has just been launched in Japan:

http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/22/new...a-jazz-details/

I predict the ARiA model will follow not long now.. and hopefully reach malaysia by end 2008 maybe?? Hope it will be profiled as sleek as the FiT

a 'mini civic' is coming to town.. paddle shifters! check! 3 spoke 'civic-esque' steering check!. Nice cup holders .. nice ultraseat pockets..damn this is goin to be awesome.. If the new CT's goin to look/spec'd like this.. i just can image how the vios is goin to cope with it

i-vtec equiped.. is this the end of the i-dsi??? summore the CVT comes with a torque converter..? just like the civic right? hmmm cant wait to see the malaysian spec

This post has been edited by Fasap: Oct 22 2007, 10:17 PM

dun think so ler.. the signiture A-pillar beside the side mirrors are absent.. confirm not lerr..

as i recall, this is an old 'artists impression' of the new Fit Aria b4 the actual 2008 fit came out, see the small pic.. that was supposed to be the 2008 fit/jazz..

so i doubt this being the new ct.. (fingers crossed )

Apisgogo:

Congrats on ure booking/purchase man

Anyways my fren booked the city (sparkling gray) early last month, and till now he still hasn't received his car (1.5mths and counting). Bought at honda showroom in PJ.. bugged the SA abt why so late, SA informed that (mostly gv this reason frm wht ive heard) the sparkling gray color is high in demand and may take up to 2mths.. other colors he say can guarantee a 1mth waiting.. only after you book and bug them they will only tell you this.. haish..

ah well.. keep your fingers crossed man! doa byk2 dpt in 1mth!

Just removed my mat at lunch to clear some dust..

nope, i have no oily substances/condition on my carpet at all even before.

just a hunch, but maybe its due to your wet shoes/sandals, the dampness for long periods may settle in under your mat and dust particles that combine together with the dampness develop oily substances? just my 2 cents..

But its quite worrying when considering the fuel tank is under the cabin.. better you go to another SC to clarify? just to be safe..

cheers!

yeah, buy any car you will rugi worr..

only 6years and depreciation reaches nearly 40K! whoa.. 1.3 wira depreciates like a continental car..

nasib baik honda cars dont depreciate this fast

This post has been edited by Fasap: Oct 23 2007, 03:36 PM

Heaven will fall and Hell will freeze laaa if thats the new CITY.. people wont go buy accord/civic anymore.. just look at the size

indeed its the accord concept.. so thats its boys an gals.. another myth busted

want to see what the 2008 CT ? just look at the pics of the new FiT lorr.. must be exactly the same with exteded butt job only.. the Fit (Jazz) and Aria (CT) are siblings.. the CT wont be styled much different compared to the Jazz.. mark my words.. if got no A-pillar beside side mirrors than its not the CT 2008..